Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

Also, anyone wanting TCU to go the the big 12, just stop. TCU hasn't worked to get this far to kiss UT's ass. TCU won't go to the big 12 nor does the big 12 want TCU

no.

ok. ;)

TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

Pitt too. They're not bad.

Team recruiting rankings:
.......WVU TCU
2011 47 26
2010 27 46
2009 27 46
2008 42 NR
2007 23 NR

UCLA is a city school. You can't define a result and then proclaim that UCLA's round peg doesn't fit the square hole you constructed.

You have state flagship schools and state land-grant schools, and BCS schools tend to fit under those two buckets. Then you have other major state schools, private schools, directional schools, and city schools. You can't include "they must suck" into the definition of city school.

TCU > West Virginia > Kansas State

tOSU is not a city school.

33k showed up because we played an fcs school.

oh please...

Average Attendance 2009 (the latest numbers I could find)

Texas... 101,175
Nebraska... 85,888
Oklahoma... 84,778
Texas A&M... 76,800
Missouri... 64,120
Oklahoma State... 53,719
Kansas... 50,581
Texas Tech... 50,249
Colorado... 50,088
Kansas State... 46,763
Iowa State... 46,242
Baylor... 36,306

BC would technically be a city school, but there's the fact that no - they haven't had much in the way of sustained success throughout their program's history.

BC is probably the best city school available and yet they've pretty much been career also-rans. They've had a few nice years in the last 5 or so, but just watch - they're in their 'up' cycle and they'll be back down in short order.

BC is the 'exception' that proves the rule. They're the best that the city schools have to offer and yet they're still a pretty mediocre program.

Really? Mizzou's 6 million residents and two top 30 metro cities are not a big deal in TV contract negotiations? Losing the second most popular school in Texas, which features 25 million residents, is not a big deal?

You should stick to starting Royals threads.

Are you referring to "THE Ohio City University"?

You are a dumb****.

Pitt is better than BC I would think.

They are def a city school with success.

WVU has better recruiting and TV viewership than TCU. So, again, how is TCU > WVU?

They are a city school, but I'm not sure that they help your argument.

Louisville has a larger athletic budget than Mizzou does.

Texas A&M is not even close to driving the bus in Texas. MU and TA&M are replaceable, in terms of not impacting the contract. People around the country are curious about OU and UT games. Hardly anyone outside the Midwest cares about Mizzou, and Kansas City is a KU town.

TCU isn't a better option than WVU?

Travel expenses?
Recruiting area?
TV?

Locking up the Dallas/Ft Worth area compared to West Virginia?

What am I missing?????

Who exactly...apples to apples will the B12 easily replace if Missouri where to leave.

Point is that Louisville is very qualified to be in this conference and if were up to me they'd be one of the top schools targeted in order for the conference to get back to 10.

They have more accomplishments on the field than many of the schools in this conference. Not sure why being located in a city should be a deterrent.

Louisville, BYU, TCU, etc etc

My argument is that Texas and OU account for well over 80% of the reason why the Big 12 can command huge contracts. Perhaps even over 90%.

To the extent that losing Mizzou or TA&M hurts at all, they are mostly replaceable (especially with BYU, which has a national following) for an almost-irrelevant slice.

You're missing that WVU gets better recruiting classes and has close to 3 times as much viewership as TCU.

Exactly why MU should go to the SEC.

1. Boston College doesn't have a history of sustained achievement in football.

2. They are a private Jesuit school.

3. The best examples of successful city schools are all in the Big East. They are only successful at all because they play each other.

If true, that clears the legal obstacles to joining the SEC.

where they will be about as relevant as Arkansas.

Eh, fine - they still suck at football.

You can have 'em if you want 'em. I would consider UCLA to be a 'regional' school more than a city school (Just as I would consider UNLV), but that's fine. I think of them as more of a "K-State" style program rather than, say, Memphis, but I'm not going to be picky. I mean technically Cal is Cal-Berkely, no? So is Cal a city school? I would certainly never consider them as such.

It doesn't seem that UCLA is a square peg at all, but again, I'll assume they are for the sake of argument.

The Bruins still can't hang with the big time programs with any regularity. They're a mediocre program with spurts of success.

given that OU decided to stay? Yeah, pretty much. The contract wont fall apart with them in the conference, and so Baylor has no damages. All they have to worry about are exit fees.

You clearly have no idea how TV contract negotiations work. Mizzou doesn't have to be the f'n Florida Gators for their loss to negatively impact the value of a TV contract due to the loss of eyeballs. The Big 12 will completely lose airtime in St. Louis, a top 20 metro area, while losing meaningful share in Dallas, Houston, and KC. Wake the fuck up.

Arkansas was in a BCS bowl game last year and is a top 15 program this year.

College football fans know Arkansas has a very good program.

Fair enough, I don't think anyone expects a city school to become the next Michigan or Florida. Just that a city school is not automatically a laugh-out-loud "what the hell?" choice. There aren't many, but there are a few of them who can at least pull their own ore.

I understand that WVU has better recruits but do they come from West Virginia? I guess I'm thinking Dallas/Ft Worth is more a football hotbed than Morgantown. I see what you are saying though.

they have recently been good. In the last several years they have been a reliable 4-to-6 loss team. Sometimes average, sometimes good, occasionally bad.

But be in a better conference. Wish KU & MU could go to the B1G together but that's not happening.

And I'm not really saying that they're all dogshit - afterall, the world needs ditch-diggers too.

I am saying (and have said before), that there's a reason the metropolitan conference died. The city schools just don't draw the kind of prestige and following that the major state Us do. If the XII wanted to bring 1 in, okay I suppose that wouldn't be the end of the world (though I'd prefer avoid it). But damn, if they bring in Cincy, Memphis and Louisville - may as well just re-brand the Metro and call it a day.

It signals a watering down of the conference, IMO. I'd much prefer we avoid it. (Actually, I'd much prefer to get the hell out of dodge, but you knew that already)

The networks have already basically told the Big 12 that if TA&M were to be replaced with BYU, they would have no problem with that at all. Central and East Missouri is not a bad market, but you have no national following, at all. OU, Texas, and a school like BYU does. (Kansas in basketball, but not football) They can sell those teams outside the midwest.

So yeah, Mizzou is replaceable.

But you didn't answer my question. Who exactly to you replace Missouri with. TV markets....solid programs.

I am not saying Missouri is a juggernaut that will bring the conference down but you are saying...they are easily replaced. Ok. With who?

Please...

Go on...

I'd be thrilled to sit back and let fans of other schools worry about how easily replaceable Missouri is or is not to a conference...after the institution leaves.

Deuces (I hope).

Nice backpeddling, douche. LMAO

Eh, the loss won't hurt that much.

The XII television contract is paying primarily for the national recognition of the flagship schools, not the handful of eyes in STL and KC.

It may hurt a little, but ultimately not a hell of a lot, IMO.

The XII will move on without MU and probably not bat an eye - until the PAC comes calling again and w/ more favorable terms the next time.

"Basically", huh? Where did you read that?

No one is comparing Mizzou to OU or Texas, so not sure what the point of that comment was for, but okay.

And again, your comments have all been to support why you think they will maintain the current contracts, when the comment you originally got your panties in a bunch about was when I suggested replacing A&M and Mizzou with rag tag teams like Louisville to get to 12 would not call for increasing tier 1 and 2 contracts meaningfully so as not to dilute the current teams. You've danced around this but have yet to provide any compelling reasons for this illogical viewpoint.

Really? That kinda makes KU irrelevant doesn't it?

Exactly.

And that's why I've decided that most of the Nubs fans are pretty much pricks. They sit around and get their rocks off on the struggles of the XII.

I don't really give a good god damn what happens to this conference if Mizzou leaves it. If they make more money without us than they would have with us - bully for them.

I only care about Mizzou. I'm not going to sit around and say "I hope we can bring KU along" or any of that mealy-mouthed crap. What I want to do is see Mizzou go to a stable program that will help this University, this community and our athletic programs take a step forward. That's it and that's all.

The XII can make as much money as it wants after we're gone, but I'm still going to be happier where we land.

I'm actually going to backtrack and admit I'm wrong. I don't know why I thought Mizzou wasn't important, probably something I mis-read a while ago. Missouri is more important than I gave them credit for.

The Big 12 can probably replace Texas A&M and still command close to SEC/PAC12 money in 2016 when tier 1 comes up. They probably can not also lose Mizzou without taking some kind of a hit.

Preach on. While I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone else success, I would be lying if I said that I wouldn't laugh just a bit when the next round of Big East/Mountain West rumors cause urine to trickle all over the midwest.

If I were a Missouri fan I'm not sure I would wish to join the SEC. I'm going from being the fourth or fifth best team in the Big XII to being the tenth or eleventh best team in the SEC but perhaps its time for Missouri to go back to its natural level which is bad to mediocre instead mediocre to good. Lets not forget that this is now the golden age of Missouri football.

Uh-oh.

Amen brother. I care about what happens to Mizzou. Whether the Big XII goes belly up, or becomes the richest conference in the country, it does not really matter to me. Especially considering that no matter how "stable" the Big XII becomes, it only takes someone calling on UT or OU to start the implosion again.

I would ask that the word "basketball" be banned in this thread. Just don't even type the letters to spell the word.

Mizzou heading off to the SEC...visualized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

Ok - that's hilarious. :LOL:

Yeah - gotta tip the cap there.

ROFL

dont forget to take the dog "shithead"

He already joined the Big 10.

That's only if Texas Tech came along as well.

(Jesus those guys suck. I'll bag on KU quite a bit, and Iowa State as well, but nobody compares to Tech. They're pretty much a safety school for when the Community Colleges turn you down)

FYP

Work it big boy WORK IT!!!!!

That line of thinking will serve you well when you go from being the 12th best team in the Big XII to the 8th best team in the WAC.

heh, snore

win something...anything

Like the record for most yards per carry given up in CFB history?

The last few pages of this thread look strikingly similar to the first 10 pages or so of the first thread.

Yeah that sucks, We dont get to hang banners for those....

It has happened before, and it will happen again......



Damn, I have been watching too much BSG.

LMAO

You can if you want. I mean, it's not like anybody would stop you..... LMAO

Yes, yes they do.

And I'm guessing the results will be about the same.

Afterall, it's Mizzou.

KU football is improving. You went from 12th best last year to 10th best this year, and you could be 9th or even 8th best next year. No wonder you love the Big XII so much.

Much less MU arrogance, much more KU butthurt dumbassery.

JFC


Ouch. LMAO

This whole mega-super-duper-conference saga thing is starting to feel like Brett Favre's 'retirement'. Will it ever end?

:thumb:

I wish Missouri and its fanbase nothing but continued hell. There is absolutely no need to continue the Texas Tech bashing. Are you threatened? What does that do for? It was an amazing feeling beating you Sob's last year after the comments your S##t head President made.

Who's hurt?

We have everything we want.

You have.....errrrr...... help me out here