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DJ's left nut 02-26-2025 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17980222)
Interesting

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He had the 2nd most pass blocking snaps of any guard in the NFL. Ofc the pressures are going to be higher. This is a bad way to measure it. It should be relative to the amount he has played. PFF’s EFF metric measures this. Trey Smith ranked 16th among 49 OGs in that metric <a href="https://t.co/LlCKl7PA5p">https://t.co/LlCKl7PA5p</a></p>&mdash; Trey Smith’s Agent (@TommyK_NFLDraft) <a href="https://twitter.com/TommyK_NFLDraft/status/1892245448884130040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Not even a little bit surprising.

He's a slightly above average pass blocking guard. I believe I said 'top 25', did I not?

That seems to maybe be a little bit below where they have him, but not by much.

As previously noted - he was OFTEN part of the problem last year w/r/t pass protection. If you're looking to focus on pass pro this offseason, you can't start by paying him $20+ million/season.

Sassy Squatch 02-26-2025 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17980224)
There's a huge difference between wanting to upgrade and pretending like you knew Pacheco was going to just fall off a cliff, but keep being a disingenuous bundle of sticks.
When did I ever say Pacheco fell off a cliff. He's fine for what he is, but that's not an every down back.

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17980231)
When did I ever say Pacheco fell off a cliff. He's fine for what he is, but that's not an every down back.
JFC.

I'm talking about him getting hurt and never being the same again this season. Nobody saw that coming, so the rest is just revisions history.

smithandrew051 02-26-2025 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17980234)
JFC.

I'm talking about him getting hurt and never being the same again this season. Nobody saw that coming, so the rest is just revisions history.
I agree with your overall point, but I think we’d all agree that Pacheco’s style is susceptible to injury more so than typical.

Hoping that erratic running style won’t result in an injury probably isn’t wise.

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17980239)
I agree with your overall point, but I think we’d all agree that Pacheco’s style is susceptible to injury more so than typical.

Hoping that erratic running style won’t result in an injury probably isn’t wise.
I'm not saying nobody could've predicted injury. I'm saying nobody could've predicted said injury keeping him from being the same player even after returning.

We all thought we had resolved the short yardage issues with Hunt, and were getting the explosive runs back with Pacheco, and we had our 3rd down in receiving back in Perine.

The RB room was fine if he just returns as the same guy.

DJ's left nut 02-26-2025 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17979921)
Every single NFL writer with a free agent list disagrees with you, and about half of Chiefsplanet.

Now, maybe they feel they HAVE to move on from him to pay a LT, and if that's how it goes, so be it.

But whoever is at RG is almost certain to be not as good as Smith. Maybe that all works out in the wash, maybe not.

But folks acting like this is absurdly stupid to even discuss paying the man his money are being dumb.
I'd offer him Cosmi's deal.

Yes, the cap's gone up since Cosmi's deal, but I'd rather have Cosmi than Smith for this team.

And he'll decline it.

And I'd move on with life.

Meanwhile he's going to get a bigger contract than Chris Lindstrom and he's not better at ANYTHING than Lindstrom is. Not even close in pass pro and not as good in the running game.

He's nearer guys like Wyatt Teller and Damien Lewis who are making around $14 million/season than he is Chris Lindstrom or Landon Dickerson. Anything above $15 million/season is an overpay based on what he'd actually bring to the team.

Sassy Squatch 02-26-2025 09:43 AM
Nah.

Pacheco
Steele
Prince
Ingram

That was your RB room for OTAs and Preseason. Snagging up Perine after roster cutdowns was a nice salvage and Hunt was a nice redemption story for a little while there.

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17980250)
Nah.

Pacheco
Steele
Prince
Ingram

That was your RB room for OTAs and Preseason. Snagging up Perine after roster cutdowns was a nice salvage and Hunt was a nice redemption story for a little while there.
Again, who's the RB that you were pounding the table for that would've changed everything?

Sassy Squatch 02-26-2025 09:44 AM
Oh, and CEH was moping around being sad I guess,

O.city 02-26-2025 09:45 AM
Pacheco was coming into the season with alot of hype IIRC.

Injury zapped it, but they need to upgrade anyway.

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:45 AM
The problem with the RB room was a lack of explosive runs.

Even if you wanted to upgrade from Pacheco, that has NEVER been an issue with him as the starter. That's why I'm calling this revisionist history.

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17980256)
Pacheco was coming into the season with alot of hype IIRC.

Injury zapped it, but they need to upgrade anyway.
He was ****ing going in the 2nd round of fantasy drafts. He was seen as a top 10 RB.

Sassy Squatch 02-26-2025 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17980253)
Again, who's the RB that you were pounding the table for that would've changed everything?
Veach knew it too. That's why he tried to sign Josh Jacobs.

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17980260)
Veach knew it too. That's why he tried to sign Josh Jacobs.
Veach knew what exactly? That Josh Jacobs was an upgrade from Pacheco? What exactly do you think you just proved here besides the fact that you don't have a good answer yourself?

staylor26 02-26-2025 09:49 AM
Also, it's not 100% fact that Veach legitimately went after Josh Jacobs and was willing to pay what it would take to get him.

He may have been interested. That's all we really know for sure.


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