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WhawhaWhat 01-08-2014 01:16 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Frank Thomas elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Craig Biggio misses by two votes. <a href="http://t.co/jEggLBC2z2">http://t.co/jEggLBC2z2</a></p>&mdash; Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/statuses/420995113842900992">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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duncan_idaho 01-08-2014 01:30 PM
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Frank Thomas elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Craig Biggio misses by two votes. <a href="http://t.co/jEggLBC2z2">http://t.co/jEggLBC2z2</a></p>&mdash; Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/statuses/420995113842900992">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Awesome.

Glad Biggio again failed to make it.

gblowfish 01-08-2014 01:34 PM
I don't understand why there isn't more love for Jack Morris? That guy was nails.

BlackHelicopters 01-08-2014 01:34 PM
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Awesome.

Glad Biggio again failed to make it.
Longevity alone is not HOF credential. It can be, but not in Biggio's case.

HemiEd 01-08-2014 01:38 PM
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Frank Thomas elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Craig Biggio misses by two votes. <a href="http://t.co/jEggLBC2z2">http://t.co/jEggLBC2z2</a></p>&mdash; Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/statuses/420995113842900992">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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That is a great class and all are deserving.

WhawhaWhat 01-08-2014 01:51 PM
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That is a great class and all are deserving.
Even though I did and still do hate the White Sox, I have a ton of respect for Frank Thomas.

duncan_idaho 01-08-2014 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10355500)
I don't understand why there isn't more love for Jack Morris? That guy was nails.
He was a slightly above-average pitcher for a long time, but he really was never dominant/great. He gave up a lot of runs, a lot of hits and a lot of baserunners. Not a big strikeout guy.

Morris was a very good player, but he's not a great player. Mike Mussina is among many pitchers who are more deserving but not getting the attention.

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Longevity alone is not HOF credential. It can be, but not in Biggio's case.
Yes. Biggio had a nice career, but he was never dominant. He was never the best player on his own team, and his primary sticking point for HoF election (3000 hits) came at the detriment of his team (he hurt them in his final two seasons while chasing 3000).

HemiEd 01-08-2014 01:54 PM
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Even though I did and still do hate the White Sox, I have a ton of respect for Frank Thomas.
Same here, I detest them more than any other team. It goes back to Ed Farmer hitting Al Cowens and Frank White. Al was never the same. Farmer is kind of big deal around here and I am glad I haven't ran into him.:cuss:

But Frank Thomas was all class and a great player IMO.

KC_Connection 01-08-2014 01:56 PM
Good for Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas. All deserving inductees.

But I'll only truly start caring about the Baseball Hall of Fame again when the best hitter and pitcher to ever play the game are actually in there.

WhawhaWhat 01-08-2014 01:57 PM
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Good for Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas. All deserving inductees.

But I'll only truly start caring about the Baseball Hall of Fame again when the best hitter and pitcher to ever play the game are actually in there.
Babe Ruth? I thought he would have made it by now.

Tytanium 01-08-2014 01:58 PM
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Career .242/.312/.710 line away from Texas-Arlington... or worse than what they got out of Infante a year ago.

They swapped Fielder straight-up for that, AND sent money to Texas for the privilege. Detroit got fleeced in that deal.

Fielder didn't have a great 2013, but he still is a feared hitter who made that lineup really deep and dangerous. Detroit's lineup has become much more shallow, though they will be improved defensively and have more athleticism with a full season of Castellanos/Iglesias/Kinsler/Cabrera as the infield.

I don't think the defensive improvements are enough to overcome the offensive step backs, especially if Scherzer regresses a bit or Verlander doesn't bounce back to his old, dominant form.
I think getting rid of Fielder was more a personal issue than a personnel issue. Apparently Avisail Garcia banged Fielder's wife, got into a confrontation with Miggy, reinjuring Miggy's groin in the altercation. Then Garcia was traded, and presumably they just got rid of Fielder to prevent any more possible drama from happening.

KC_Connection 01-08-2014 02:00 PM
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Babe Ruth? I thought he would have made it by now.
No, just the greatest hitter we've seen in our lifetimes and likely ever will see.

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HemiEd 01-08-2014 02:04 PM
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No, just the greatest hitter we've seen in our lifetimes and likely ever will see.

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Steroids shouldn't count in my opinion. Which pitcher are you referring to, the Rocket?

duncan_idaho 01-08-2014 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10355567)
Good for Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas. All deserving inductees.

But I'll only truly start caring about the Baseball Hall of Fame again when the best hitter and pitcher to ever play the game are actually in there.
I'd vote for Bonds if I had one because he clearly was headed to the Hall without roids.

I'd even probably vote for Clemens (though I don't quite buy him as best pitcher ever), though I don't think his career thrives in his 30s and into his 40s the way it did without juice.

duncan_idaho 01-08-2014 02:07 PM
Side note: I was, at one point, just 6 years away from having a Hall of Fame vote.

Always think of that this time of year...


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