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htismaqe 03-18-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198840)
Yeah, it's a mistake; presumptively referring to possible 2024 dead cap?.

Click on the little 'dead cap' link in 2023 and for every available option, cut or trade, includes that same $6.45 million in 2023 dead cap money. They got it right there, just didn't translate it on the webpage.

It ain't going anywhere. Like I said, it's carved in stone at this point.

According to Spotrac (minus the disclaimer of course), his 2023 cap hit went from $26.5M to $13.7M but his 2023 dead money went from $6.5M to $9M.

He save us $12.8M this year but will cost $2.5M MORE to cut next year.

Should have just ****ing cut him now.

The Franchise 03-18-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16198846)
Lol I won't lie....this off season is just as confusing as the season was. I truly did not think the conversations that are being had right now would be the conversations we'd be having a week into free agency.

I think I was extremely naive and bought into the whole Mahomes has a special contract structure that will allow the chiefs to restructure and move money/numbers around whenever to create cap room and flexibility thing too much.

It's not Mahomes....it's everyone else.

Hill has a large cap number and needs a new deal.
Clark had a large cap number and they had to figure out what to do with him.
Jones still has a large cap number.
Thuney is at $18 million.
OBJ needs a new contract and we're carrying $16 million for him.

Add in the fact that we're losing a lot of the roster because we had a ton of 1 year deals the last couple of seasons....and this was bound to happen eventually.

TEX 03-18-2022 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16198846)
Lol I won't lie....this off season is just as confusing as the season was. I truly did not think the conversations that are being had right now would be the conversations we'd be having a week into free agency.

I think I was extremely naive and bought into the whole Mahomes has a special contract structure that will allow the chiefs to restructure and move money/numbers around whenever to create cap room and flexibility thing too much.

Me too, but then again we were told that when he signed the deal.

htismaqe 03-18-2022 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16198846)
Lol I won't lie....this off season is just as confusing as the season was. I truly did not think the conversations that are being had right now would be the conversations we'd be having a week into free agency.

I think I was extremely naive and bought into the whole Mahomes has a special contract structure that will allow the chiefs to restructure and move money/numbers around whenever to create cap room and flexibility thing too much.

They can't do anything with Mahomes until today. That's the issue.

The Franchise 03-18-2022 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16198849)
According to Spotrac (minus the disclaimer of course), his 2023 cap hit went from $26.5M to $13.7M but his 2023 dead money went from $6.5M to $9M.

He save us $12.8M this year but will cost $2.5M MORE to cut next year.

Should have just ****ing cut him now.

Should have but then we would be sitting here with Danna and Kaindoh. Even if the dude only gets 4-5 sacks....they valued that and a body more than they did the $2.5 million it would cost off of next year's cap.

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-King- 03-18-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16198855)
They can't do anything with Mahomes until today. That's the issue.

That's not true. You can re-structure contracts any time. Today is just the deadline because a bonus is due IIRC.

TEX 03-18-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16198829)
I’m gonna get flamed for this but I really don’t mind bringing Sammy back at the right price. Incentive based contract would be good.

Right now we have 2 starting WR’s, Gordon (lol) and Powell.

No way.

DaKCMan AP 03-18-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16198829)
I’m gonna get flamed for this but I really don’t mind bringing Sammy back at the right price. Incentive based contract would be good.

Right now we have 2 starting WR’s, Gordon (lol) and Powell.

There are many guys still available before going that route. Sammy's just not dependable.

Bring in, for example, Auden Tate, James Washington, LaQuan Treadwell, not as #2 but to compete for roster spots. I also like the idea of signing Brandon Powell to be a 5th/6th WR and return punts/kicks.

irafreak 03-18-2022 09:27 AM

I'm starting to lean towards riding out the storm. We can still push for the division but it's not the time to push the chips all in. Let these other team's young qb contracts run out and that will limit their super team building abilities. We can get a head start by drafting well the next few years.

The Franchise 03-18-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16198866)
That's not true. You can re-structure contracts any time. Today is just the deadline because a bonus is due IIRC.

Which may mean that they don't plan on restructuring his deal this year. It can't just be a given every year because there will be a year where we get ****ed by it.

They honestly could just be looking at getting Hill a new deal and lowering his cap hit this year. Getting OBJ a new deal and having a decently low cap hit this year. And then possibly restructuring Thuney.

They need $9 million to sign their draft picks and then the rest will be filled with low number deals.

Next year, you can cut Clark, trade Jones and restructure Mahomes' deal....and gain $70 million in cap space.

ChiefsFan123456 03-18-2022 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16198829)
I’m gonna get flamed for this but I really don’t mind bringing Sammy back at the right price. Incentive based contract would be good.

Right now we have 2 starting WR’s, Gordon (lol) and Powell.

I hope not, bridges have been burned and he is not good anymore

DJ's left nut 03-18-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16198849)
According to Spotrac (minus the disclaimer of course), his 2023 cap hit went from $26.5M to $13.7M but his 2023 dead money went from $6.5M to $9M.

He save us $12.8M this year but will cost $2.5M MORE to cut next year.

Should have just ****ing cut him now.

Yeah, but like I said, when you click on the link thing, it says the 6.8 or whatever. His signing bonus was pro-rated at $5.2 for instance, now it's at 7.475. So that's essentially adding 4.55 million in signing bonus to a base salary of 3.75 which would mean guarantees this year of roughly $8.3 million. Well that's not what's been reported anywhere.

That said, it IS about where I started with this whole thing when I said I figured we'd see about $8 million paid to him this year. Whether they plow it all into this year w/ base or do SOME base and SOME bonus is largely immaterial because again, rollover provisions mean that saving money this year just creates cap credits towards next seasons adjusted cap.

All that matters is the total amount of new money we're giving him. So it would seem like it MIGHT be $8.3 million in 'new' money.

There are just a lot of inconsistencies on Spotrac's own page. It's hard to know for sure.

But I'm gonna laugh if it's $8.3 million after I took an evening of cap-lectures from idiots when I got it pretty much exactly right doing nothing more than looking at his previous structure.

F-Off, Twitter jackholes.

htismaqe 03-18-2022 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198878)
Yeah, but like I said, when you click on the link thing, it says the 6.8 or whatever. His signing bonus was pro-rated at $5.2 for instance, now it's at 7.475. So that's essentially adding 4.55 million in signing bonus to a base salary of 3.75 which would mean guarantees this year of roughly $8.3 million. Well that's not what's been reported anywhere.

That said, it IS about where I started with this whole thing when I said I figured we'd see about $8 million paid to him this year. Whether they plow it all into this year w/ base or do SOME base and SOME bonus is largely immaterial because again, rollover provisions mean that saving money this year just creates cap credits towards next seasons adjusted cap.

All that matters is the total amount of new money we're giving him. So it would seem like it MIGHT be $8.3 million in 'new' money.

There are just a lot of inconsistencies on Spotrac's own page. It's hard to know for sure.

But I'm gonna laugh if it's $8.3 million after I took an evening of cap-lectures from idiots when I got it pretty much exactly right doing nothing more than looking at his previous structure.

F-Off, Twitter jackholes.

:thumb:

DJ's left nut 03-18-2022 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFan123456 (Post 16198875)
I hope not, bridges have been burned and he is not good anymore

What bridges were ever burned?

I don't think there's any ill-will between the organization and Sammy. By all accounts he was extremely well thought of.

He wanted more money and opportunity than we would provide. It didn't work out.

A reunion would actually make a ton of sense for both sides.


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