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htismaqe 03-18-2022 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198739)
And again, not married to MVS - just an example case.

PM did trust Watkins, though - I'll grant you that. Ultimately I think Sammy wanted another solid payday and wanted a chance to be a #1 target in Baltimore. Wonder if he got some of that out of his system and would be content coming back to someplace where he can be a Robin and be weird in relative anonymity.

He checks every box, no question.

**** it - bring him in if he's cheap. Bring in a developmental X behind him to get snaps when he inevitably misses 4-5 games. Then hope Sammy is healthy or the rookie is ready come December forward.

Cool - I can live with that plan.

I'd be perfectly fine with just about anyone at this point. They need bodies at every level almost, on both offense and defense.

Time to shop the $5 CD bin.

bigjosh 03-18-2022 08:48 AM

****Official 2022 Free Agency Megathread****
 
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198670)
It was also incorrect.

We’ve gone over this before.

But keep using mouth-breathing dipshit Philly fans as your barometer for what a one of the most successful football coaches in league history should be doing.


Sure.

Westbrook averaged 11.4 carries per game throughout his career.

Mccoy averaged 13 carries per game in all the years he played for andy.

For top level RB talent, that is not enough.

Leaguewide average for a starting rb is between 17-22 carries per game.

I dont know who the “we” is that have gone over it, but andy has always abandoned the run. There is almost 2 decades of proof.


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The Franchise 03-18-2022 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198718)
Like I said - the rush on Hill was to try to get him signed before Adams re-set the market.

If his agents are coming back to the table with the 're-set' figures in hand, then it's time to walk away from the table and try again next year. There's no rush. He's under contract for the season and you have the tag. Meanwhile the market isn't going to re-reset between now and NEXT March.

And the onus to get the money moved off this year's cap is gone. There's simply nobody out there worth chasing at the moment.

I'd simply break off and head home. If he wants to talk about $22 - $23 million and offer a bit of a team friendly structure to ensure it gets done this year, okay.

There's no incentive for the Chiefs to push the issue anymore. Let Hill and his people come to you.

The only problem I see with that is that Hill and his agent aren't going to come down in that cooling off period. And if Hill has any kind of a decent year stat wise....it could cause him to go higher. Especially if the cap increases like it should.

Not paying now only increases the chance that you're paying more....or you're getting closer to trading him.

kcbubb 03-18-2022 08:51 AM

How do you rank tyreek? This website has hill at 6th best in the nfl and if we are talking future performance, I’m taking jamarr chase over hill.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...2022-offseason

7. Ja'Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals
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Remember when Ja'Marr Chase dropped a few passes in the 2021 NFL preseason and panic ensued that someone who had 20 touchdowns at LSU in 2019 had suddenly forgotten how to play?

Good times, folks. Good times.

Reunited with college teammate Joe Burrow in Cincinnati, Chase put together a stellar rookie year. He reeled in 81 passes for a franchise-record 1,455 yards and 13 touchdowns, blending a high-volume role with superb explosiveness at 18.0 yards per reception. Chase ranked third in the league with 651 yards after catch.

Sure, he dropped some passes in the regular season too. This level of production more than atones for an occasional mistake, especially given how reliable Chase was at LSU.

Cincinnati has an unmistakable star in the reigning Offensive Rookie of the Year.

6. Tyreek Hill, Kansas City Chiefs
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Even if he's not the fastest player in the league, Tyreek Hill is immensely difficult to contain because of his speed (sub-4.3 40-yard dash).

Through six seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs, he's totaled 479 catches for 6,630 yards and 56 scores. Last year, he tallied a personal-best 111 receptions while providing 1,239 yards and and nine touchdowns. It was his fourth campaign of at least 1,183 yards.

Along with six Pro Bowl trips, Hill is a three-time first-team AP All-Pro, including as a returner in his rookie year.

The 28-year-old Hill's presence is a key reason for Kansas City's ability to stress defenses both vertically and horizontally.

5. Stefon Diggs, Buffalo Bills
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After five quality seasons on the Minnesota Vikings, Stefon Diggs has reached a new height of performance with the Buffalo Bills.

Josh Allen's rise to prominence, unsurprisingly, has coincided with Diggs' arrival. He posted NFL-high marks of 127 catches and 1,535 yards in 2020 and then collected 103 receptions for 1,225 yards last season. Diggs totaled 18 scores in those two years.

Diggs, 28, is renowned for both his sharp route-running and his propensity for making contested catches, which is a lethal combination. He can create room, yet he doesn't need space to produce either.

Chase will probably be closing the gap in a hurry, but Diggs is the AFC's best receiver heading into 2022.

4. Deebo Samuel, San Francisco 49ers
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If any players are more versatile than Deebo Samuel, their roles haven't showed it. Nobody in the NFL is utilized more brilliantly than Samuel in head coach Kyle Shanahan's offense.

Last year, Samuel gathered 77 receptions for 1,405 yards to pace the league with 18.2 yards per reception. The first-team AP All-Pro selection also rushed for 365 yards, averaging 6.2 per carry, and scored eight touchdowns on the ground, with six more as a receiver. He even tossed a 24-yard score.

Get the ball to your best player. Novel concept, right?

Based on where he aligns and how he can contribute, Samuel is the most dynamic wideout in the league.

3. Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings
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Two seasons, two second-team AP All-Pro honors. Decent start for Justin Jefferson.

Chosen with the No. 22 overall pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the LSU product pulled in 88 passes for 1,400 yards and seven touchdowns as a rookie. He followed that up with 108 catches for 1,616 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2021.

The 22-year-old wideout has already notched two of the five most prolific years in franchise history, which is a massive feat for any organization. It's especially true in Minnesota, considering Hall of Famers Randy Moss and Cris Carter both spent the majority of their careers on the Vikings.

Last season, Jefferson (27) finished second only to Kupp (30) in receptions of 20-plus yards.

2. Davante Adams, Green Bay Packers
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If you prefer Davante Adams at No. 1, we're not arguing. This is a strong 1A/1B kind of discussion.

Over the last half-decade, the Green Bay Packers icon has developed into an outrageously precise route-runner who creates separation within three steps. Sure, it helps to have Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball, but Adams is a superstar on his own.

Most notably, Adams just earned first-team AP All-Pro recognition for the second straight year. He made 115 catches for 1,374 yards and an NFL-best 18 touchdowns in 2020 and then set career-high marks of 123 receptions and 1,553 yards with 11 scores in 2021.

Now that Rodgers has announced his plans to return, expect another monstrous season from Adams in Green Bay.

1. Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams
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Which part of Cooper Kupp's 2021 campaign was most impressive?

Not only did the fifth-year receiver lead the league in receptions (145), but it also was the second-highest total in history. He also paced the league with 1,947 yards, 846 yards after catch, 30 grabs of 20-plus yards, 16 touchdowns and 89 first downs.

During the postseason, Kupp snagged a touchdown in each of the Los Angeles Rams' four games—including two scores in both the NFC championship and Super Bowl LVI. He ended the playoffs with 33 catches for 478 yards and six touchdowns, which rank first, second and second, respectively, all-time.

Kupp won AP Offensive Player of the Year and Super Bowl LVI MVP, along with finishing third in regular-season MVP voting.

Adams has tenure, yes. Kupp, though, just assembled a legendary season on the heels of consecutive 90-catch years. He's the most dangerous receiver in the game.

Red Dawg 03-18-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16198758)
The only problem I see with that is that Hill and his agent aren't going to come down in that cooling off period. And if Hill has any kind of a decent year stat wise....it could cause him to go higher. Especially if the cap increases like it should.

Not paying now only increases the chance that you're paying more....or you're getting closer to trading him.

Hill is ranked like 5th in the league. Pay him that and he's probably good with it.

The Franchise 03-18-2022 08:53 AM

OTC has our cap space at $1.9 million.

Looking at the Frank Clark numbers.

Cap hit in 2022 of $13.7 million.
Cap hit in 2023 of $28.675 million. Dead cap hit of $9 million. Cutting him would give us $19.6 million.

htismaqe 03-18-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16198770)
OTC has our cap space at $1.9 million.

Looking at the Frank Clark numbers.

Cap hit in 2022 of $13.7 million.
Cap hit in 2023 of $28.675 million. Dead cap hit of $9 million. Cutting him would give us $19.6 million.

Spotrac has a disclaimer that says "POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, YR, $0; $0 DEAD CAP" right before listing his 2023 cap numbers, including the $9M in dead money.

I don't understand how they're just going to make that dead money go away.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...k-clark-16787/

booger 03-18-2022 09:00 AM

https://www.nfl.com/players/Kyle-Van-Noy/stats/

They were interested in bringing back Damion Wilson but he signed with Carolina. He had a very good year last year in Cullen’s D in Jacksonville. Kyle Van Noy will turn 31 later this month and had 5 sacks and 9 (excellent for a LB) passes break ups. Would be a nice Sam with rush ability.

The Franchise 03-18-2022 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16198774)
Spotrac has a disclaimer that says "POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, YR, $0; $0 DEAD CAP" right before listing his 2023 cap numbers, including the $9M in dead money.

I don't understand how they're just going to make that dead money go away.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...k-clark-16787/

It's weird that Spotrac has his new numbers but hasn't adjusted our salary cap. Where OTC has the updated salary cap numbers but doesn't have that 2023 Out comment.

duncan_idaho 03-18-2022 09:05 AM

That list of top wideouts is funny. I wouldn't take any of those dudes for this offense over Tyreek Hill.

Re: Sammy Watkins, if the price is right I'm OK with the idea of checking him out. It can't be the only move you make at WR, but he does more for this offense, when healthy, than anyone available in free agency besides a healthy Odell Beckham, Jr. or a healthy Julio Jones.

booger 03-18-2022 09:05 AM

Also Joe Schobert and Cory Littleton LB options along with Van Noy all 3 were released recently and wouldn’t count in the comp draft pick formula

booger 03-18-2022 09:08 AM

Could definitely do worse than Sammy. AJ Green would be risky with his age but is a big target

htismaqe 03-18-2022 09:09 AM

So we know now that Zadarius Smith backed out of his agreement with the Ravens.

I haven't seen that he signed anywhere else (like Gregory) immediately.

That likely means he's waiting on an offer from a specific team. Could we still be in on him and just waiting until today to get the money?

The Franchise 03-18-2022 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16198815)
So we know now that Zadarius Smith backed out of his agreement with the Ravens.

I haven't seen that he signed anywhere else (like Gregory) immediately.

That likely means he's waiting on an offer from a specific team. Could we still be in on him and just waiting until today to get the money?

Or he's letting the other interested teams bid each other up so he gets more money.

htismaqe 03-18-2022 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16198819)
Or he's letting the other interested teams bid each other up so he gets more money.

For sure, he could be doing that too. But surely he already has a notion of what his market is. I wouldn't think a bidding war would take THAT long but who knows.


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