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Nightfyre 04-21-2024 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17488442)
Final WR Rankings:

1. MHJ
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
4. BTJ
5. Mitchell
6. Worthy
7. Franklin
8. McConkey
9. Pearsall
10. Coleman
11. Legette
12. R. Wilson
13. Burton (not factoring in character concerns)
14. Baker
15. Walker
16. Polk
17. McMillan
18. Corley
19. J. Wilson
20. Rice
21. Cowing
22. M. Washington
23. Thrash
24. McCaffrey
25. T. Washington

It's a great list. Here is mine:
1. MHJ
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
GAP
4. Mitchell
5. Thomas
GAP
Guys with multirole tools:
6. Worthy
7. McConkey
8. Pearsall
9. Coleman
10. Legette
GAP
Guys who will be one outside role guys but good tools:
11. Franklin
12. Burton (character/coachability may take him off the board even for the Chiefs and probably should)
13. J. Wilson (could be a unicorn, would be about Vincent Jackson upside)
14. Baker
15. Polk
16. Walker
Slot /gadget guys:
17. McMillan
18. R. Wilson
19. Corley


Other guys I just love:
T. Washington
J. Coker
A. Smith

Guys I probably should revisit because I feel like I am not giving them enough credit:
M. Washington
J. Thrash
I. Williams

Dunerdr 04-21-2024 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17488603)
It's a great list. Here is mine:
1. MHJ
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
GAP
4. Mitchell
5. Thomas
GAP
Guys with multirole tools:
6. Worthy
7. McConkey
8. Pearsall
9. Coleman
10. Legette
GAP
Guys who will be one outside role guys but good tools:
11. Franklin
12. Burton (character/coachability may take him off the board even for the Chiefs and probably should)
13. J. Wilson (could be a unicorn, would be about Vincent Jackson upside)
14. Baker
15. Polk
16. Walker
Slot /gadget guys:
17. McMillan
18. R. Wilson
19. Corley


Other guys I just love:
T. Washington
J. Coker
A. Smith

Guys I probably should revisit because I feel like I am not giving them enough credit:
M. Washington
J. Thrash
I. Williams

What pushed Mitchel over btj for you? I could see him being the better pro if things go right but I haven’t seen anyone rank him above btj.

Couch-Potato 04-21-2024 07:35 PM

BTJ went #26 in NFL.coms latest mock draft.

THAT's the trade up scenario we should be praying for!

I'd be willing to use next year's 2nd and change if that helps us get into the 19-25 range for him.

RunKC 04-21-2024 07:57 PM

DJ is gonna smile with this one. His hands worry me but this is the type of high ceiling player the Chiefs look for.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">North Carolina <a href="https://twitter.com/UNCFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UNCFootball</a> wide receiver Devontez Walker (6-1 1/2, 193, 4.36 speed, 40 1/2 vertical, 11-2 broad, caught 41 passes, 699 yards, seven touchdowns after eligibility approved for <a href="https://twitter.com/KentState?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KentState</a> transfer), visited <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> per league source, strong Day 2 grades.…</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1782134830433468878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dunerdr 04-21-2024 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17488862)
BTJ went #26 in NFL.coms latest mock draft.

THAT's the trade up scenario we should be praying for!

I'd be willing to use next year's 2nd and change if that helps us get into the 19-25 range for him.

Praying all the QBs go and someone gets crazy for some other positions lol if jizz if we got BTJ in the late 20s

Nightfyre 04-22-2024 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17488728)
What pushed Mitchel over btj for you? I could see him being the better pro if things go right but I haven’t seen anyone rank him above btj.

Mitchell has better hands and works man coverage better, imo. He more instinctively attacks leverage and exploits DBs. Like creating over commitment and then bursting to create separation. I also felt he had equal acceleration and better agility when he had the switch set to on, which means to me he has a higher capability than Thomas as a route runner. I guess I figure if you are going for all upside with either of these picks, you may as well go for the one with the higher upside.

The only real question I have relates to the plays he took off, why he doesn't play with more physicality, and why he plays so much slower against zone coverage. The answer to those questions will define how early he is taken, imo, because if you can fix it, he may be the best receiver in this class.

I did a thorough breakdown of him (thorough at least for me) earlier in this thread if you are interested - both strengths and weaknesses, with specific examples cited.

Dunerdr 04-22-2024 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17489011)
Mitchell has better hands and works man coverage better, imo. He more instinctively attacks leverage and exploits DBs. Like creating over commitment and then bursting to create separation. I also felt he had equal acceleration and better agility when he had the switch set to on, which means to me he has a higher capability than Thomas as a route runner. I guess I figure if you are going for all upside with either of these picks, you may as well go for the one with the higher upside.

The only real question I have relates to the plays he took off, why he doesn't play with more physicality, and why he plays so much slower against zone coverage. The answer to those questions will define how early he is taken, imo, because if you can fix it, he may be the best receiver in this class.

I did a thorough breakdown of him (thorough at least for me) earlier in this thread if you are interested - both strengths and weaknesses, with specific examples cited.

Well I hope you are right and the concerns off the field drop him to us.

kccrow 04-22-2024 07:33 AM

Nightfyre, you definitely have your opinion which I respect. We're going to strongly disagree on Thomas and Mitchell being in the same stratosphere as route runners and that doesn't favor Mitchell. That isn't to say I don't think Mitchell is capable of it, I just think Thomas is much more complete.

ForeverChiefs58 04-22-2024 07:34 AM

Some history



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Couch-Potato 04-22-2024 07:57 AM

My heart says BTJ but my brain says Worthy.

In58men 04-22-2024 10:57 AM

Source is Sports Illustrated, not MLFootball!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earl round players who have been medically flagged by some teams, according to <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SInow</a>: <br><br>- WR Malik Nabers, shoulder<br>- T Troy Fautanu, knee<br>- DE Laiatu Latu, neck<br>- WR Brian Thomas Jr., shoulder<br>- QB Michael Penix Jr., knee and shoulder<br>- WR Ladd McConkey, ankle and back <a href="https://t.co/cxZSRiycwX">pic.twitter.com/cxZSRiycwX</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1782453208767430828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Couch-Potato 04-22-2024 11:36 AM

Can we start a rumor about BTJ not being able to brush his teeth with his dominant hand due to shoulder injury or something similar?

Dunerdr 04-22-2024 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17489300)
Source is Sports Illustrated, not MLFootball!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earl round players who have been medically flagged by some teams, according to <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SInow</a>: <br><br>- WR Malik Nabers, shoulder<br>- T Troy Fautanu, knee<br>- DE Laiatu Latu, neck<br>- WR Brian Thomas Jr., shoulder<br>- QB Michael Penix Jr., knee and shoulder<br>- WR Ladd McConkey, ankle and back <a href="https://t.co/cxZSRiycwX">pic.twitter.com/cxZSRiycwX</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1782453208767430828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would not think that a shoulder would be enough to drop BTJ but we can hope.

Nightfyre 04-22-2024 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17489065)
Nightfyre, you definitely have your opinion which I respect. We're going to strongly disagree on Thomas and Mitchell being in the same stratosphere as route runners and that doesn't favor Mitchell. That isn't to say I don't think Mitchell is capable of it, I just think Thomas is much more complete.

I hear you. I am also just going to leave this here. I hope Matt Harmon does something on BTJ soon, but basically I feel like Harmon's analysis lines up very well with my assessment. That's an NFL route tree with virtually zero schemed up, force fed production.

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Couch-Potato 04-22-2024 03:11 PM

BTJ made it to 23 in today's fan vote PFF mock draft.

They provided 3-4 options per pick and fans polled their preferences live during the show.

We took WR McConkey over WR Franklin, OT Morgan, and DL Robinson.


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