Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 16198580)

Now this is where Blacktop comes in to tell us how the jesuits in the NFL offices are pushing all the talent into the AFC, so that Brady can have the clearest path to the SB in his triumphant return and then he will dismantle one of the AFC 'super teams'.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 16198562)

I heard an interesting discussion on the way home from work a couple of days ago on NFL Radio Moving the Chains show. They were talking about how all of the defenses now are being built to combat the speed of offenses, and that the counter to this is that the 225+ pound RB's (give or take a few pounds. I can't recall the exact number they stated, but big RB's) are starting to have a field day because most of the back 7 defenders are not built to take the punishment those type of RB's deal out. They had some stats from the past season to back up their hypothesis.

Not sure if there is this type of back in the draft to stick behind out offensive line, but the argument they put forth does make sense.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198484)

And for my entire football watching life I would have agreed with you.

Then I saw how teams defended the 2021 Chiefs - they did. not. care.

It's what made CEH largely ineffective even when we gave him the ball. Give him the ball 20 damn times - they didn't care. They weren't going to come up. Let him have 5 - Hill and Kelce are so stinking good that they're STILL not coming downhill. They'll give up that 5 and wait for you to make a mistake before they come downhill and let Hill/Kelce gouge them for 30.

Throw underneath all day - you will not pull those safeties up. Because for about 8 weeks we DID over the latter part of the season and no, they weren't drawing safeties up on us. They were staying in the deep shells. They don't give a rip. They simply won't.

Moreover, I conceded that I'd rather have a do-everything X who can get deep AND run pristine routes over the middle. Of course that's preferable. But you CANNOT spend $16 million on Robinson, $15 million on Kelce, $20+ million on Hill, $20+ million on OBJr and $15 million on Thuney. You've dropped $85+ million on 5 players and haven't paid for your QB yet. That's simply not tenable.

So you have $5 million to spend on your WR2 - tell me what Landry or JuJu are going to do to convince these guys to pull their safeties down. We saw last year - they simply don't care. There isn't a universe where getting beat at 6 yards/pop by a plodding possession WR is going to be less of a worry for teams than getting torched over the top.

Conventionally I absolutely agree with you. But never in a million years did I expect what I saw from teams against this Chiefs team in 2021. I don't think Veach or Reid expected it either or they'd have never drafted CEH. Teams willingness to completely sell out against us because they simply didn't care if we took that short stuff is completely unprecedented. I've never seen anything like it and I said so at the time.

You can't attack what teams are doing against this squad like you would what they're doing against teams that don't have Hill and Kelce. Those 2 are just too damn good to scare teams with guys like Landry as a 'counter'. He'll never begin to tilt the scale in his direction.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 16198562)

I heard an interesting discussion on the way home from work a couple of days ago on NFL Radio Moving the Chains show. They were talking about how all of the defenses now are being built to combat the speed of offenses, and that the counter to this is that the 225+ pound RB's (give or take a few pounds. I can't recall the exact number they stated, but big RB's) are starting to have a field day because most of the back 7 defenders are not built to take the punishment those type of RB's deal out. They had some stats from the past season to back up their hypothesis.

Not sure if there is this type of back in the draft to stick behind out offensive line, but the argument they put forth does make sense.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16198595)

The thing is that CEH will never make them move up because he's simply not good enough no matter how many times we give him the ball. Teams would move their safeties up if he was actually effective the games where he got a lot of carries. But if you're going to run the ball, and still be average at best at it, why would we change the defense?

Also even when we tried the underneath stuff, it was still too heavily dependent on Hill and Kelce. So we were taking away our biggest advantage just so we could take advantage of what the defense was giving up. We needed a guy that could keep Hill going down field and he could command coverage underneath and vice versa. We just had nobody, so defenses didn't have to change anything. Just stay back and force them underneath to Hill and Kelce cause no one else can do anything.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16198591)

Only a foolish idiot would deny that getting better running backs wouldn't vastly improve this offense against teams dropping everyone deep. I mean ffs Cinci were dropping eight guys smh.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16198617)

getting a better RB would only help if we actually would run the ball. I am not in love with our backs either but since Mahomes took over we throw it and throw it even after Hunt led the league in rushing with Smith. Bengals rushed 3 a lot in both games and we still didn't run the ball nor attempt to run it. Even when we struggle to pass the ball we just keep on passing hoping for the big break through play.

We throw it, that's the Andy way and it's the Mahomes way. Until Mahomes changes his brain we won't run the ball when we should.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 16198635)

I believe a top class back would make Reid inclined to run it more. Hunt was great in the games he played with Pat and we need to get a back who can finally take advantage of what this line can do.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16198617)

getting a better RB would only help if we actually would run the ball. I am not in love with our backs either but since Mahomes took over we throw it and throw it even after Hunt led the league in rushing with Smith. Bengals rushed 3 a lot in both games and we still didn't run the ball nor attempt to run it. Even when we struggle to pass the ball we just keep on passing hoping for the big break through play.

We throw it, that's the Andy way and it's the Mahomes way. Until Mahomes changes his brain we won't run the ball when we should.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16198662)

everybody just relax. We don't play games in March.

Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 16198643)

Naa, he had westbrook and shady for years and under-utilized them in the run game.

Philly fans biggest gripe with andy besides clock management was his refusal to run the damn ball.