That’s a good find. Not sure they’d explore it though unless the took LT first in the draft because it was a can’t pass proposition, which feels unlikely for a roster that needs plenty of help otherwise.

That absolutely would have to be the scenario. They are probably set at QB. And hit a home run at WR last year. What would their feeling be on Walker Little? The contract is reasonable. Both to keep and to trade. They would likely have their choice of the LT's in the draft though.

Here are some plays vs the Texans. Looks pretty good. :shrug:

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Simmons at 23? Yeah I’m trading the **** up for that guy.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...mock-draft-2-0

I don't buy that the Jags are going to trade Walker Little, they are far more likely to just take whoever the BPA is.

So Simmons injury was a torn patellar?

Medicals will big there but might be the type of chance for us to get a talent who is better than where he going to get drafted. Eagles did that with Dickerson. It's a dice roll but think he would be ready for training camp, and he's a top-15 talent no question.

I'll eat my shoe for dinner if Simmons lasts till 23.

Tore his ACL. Rosenhaus is his agent and is saying that he will be ready to go by camp.

Praying him not being able to do anything at the combine or pro day helps his stock fall. He looked like a top LT at OSU. Have read a lot of people compare him to Christian Darrisaw.

It would take one of 63 or 66 to move up with the Steelers to get him. If they really like him that much it would be well worth it.

Don't buy it, a lot of the OT's in this class have question marks even the ones that are thought as no brainer 1st rounders like Will Campbell, Simmons is going to elevate in stock when teams realize even with the injury he doesn't have the "ah **** this guys arm length might make him a guard" questions.

Yeah I gotta say this lines up to be one of those deals that Veach should be all over. I'm just getting into draft prospects and didn't know he had the injury.

It's the only way you get a talent like that from 31 (or in trade-up range).

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Yeah but those teams drafting way up high have a plethora of needs and are going to be less likely to take a big risk if they have a massive upgrade staring them in the face for other positions.

Yea and that team picking 11 that thinks they can get the best OT in the draft is gonna jump at it.

Unfortunately Geoff may be right about the 1st rd though. Weapons and DL seem to be the strength for BPA.

The amount of really good DL in this class is crazy. Would be really hard to pass on one of those guys or a weapon like TreVeyon Henderson, especially if the top LT prospects are gone

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I get Geoff’s point. Kingsley and/or Morris need to be the starting RG (or Nourzad). Those picks need to see the field and develop.

My issue with moving Taylor is that he’s fine at RT. If he sucks at LT, then you hurt two positions. I don’t want to see a midseason move back to RT.

When Thuney is great at LG, leave him. When Taylor is fine at RT, leave him.

This season really made it apparent how bad things can go when you move guys around on the line when they’re already fine at their natural spot.

So do what should've been done 2 years ago? Better late than never I guess.

Did you watch the Super Bowl?

Taylor was as bad as Thuney, and at least Thuney has the inherent excuse that he’s a guard playing out of position.

Unfortunately the Chiefs are stuck with Taylor for another year, but pretending that he is not a major liability is interesting.

I’m sorry but if you think Jawaan Taylor was anywhere close to as bad as Thuney in that game I have to seriously question what you were watching.

Jawaan may have had a bad game but Thuney had a historically awful performance

Taylor has been good in all but one of the postseason games he’s played in KC.

If you think he’s such a problem, then moving him to LT will only make things worse I’d assume. Probably both sides of the line.

Jawaan is some people's whipping boy, it's tired.

Taylor gave up the same # of pressures as Thuney did in the first half… four.

Thuney was “historically bad”, but Taylor gets a pass?

From the little I've stomached I didn't see Jawaan performing anywhere nearly as bad as Thuney. Thuney wasn't offering any resistance whatsoever. Taylor was getting beaten but he at least put up a fight before surrendering the pressures.

Yeah Mahomes getting killed from the right side was mostly Andy Reid’s fault having a TE and RB block the DE.

Are any of these definitely Jawaan getting his ass kicked?

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This play alone makes the argument laughable. Pretty clear Thuney was significantly worse than Jawaan

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Why put Morris at RT instead of Kingsley? Morris is an emergency swing tackle at best. Morris at RG and Kingsley at RT would be better, but hopefully they have better options than moving Taylor to LT.

“Putting up a fight”?

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It's really strange, our fans bitch about the media giving us a bad rap, and then they go buy right into it with the whole Taylor situation.

If it wasn't for Collinsworth opening his giant gullet, nobody would really even have a complaint about him. He's pretty much exactly what most people knew he was. I've said it before, nobody forced anyone to give him $80 million dollars. That was our own choice, and it's kind of what happens when you have to fill this spot in free agency.

Congrats on finding a rep where he looked as bad as Thuney, I guess.

Yep, though in fairness it appears that Taylor was not aware Mahomes was that deep on his drop and seemed more prepared for a 5-7 yard drop.

Spend the money Veach!


The salary cap is going to explode again, and it’s all because of this change in how Nielsen measures ratings.

Starting this year, they are leaning into using data directly from Smart TV manufacturers to measure viewing habits in addition to the traditional at-home panel method.

This means NFL ratings in particular from Sunday Ticket on YouTube are going to be more accurately measured…and that number is going to be way bigger than you think because of just how many Gen-Z and Millennials consume football on streaming services.

More accurate ratings means the league’s next broadcast rights negotiation in 2028/2029 is going to be WAY more expensive…which ultimately means massive jumps in the salary cap.

If I’m a GM, that means next year…or maybe even this year…I can sign some truly outrageously back-loaded deals with a ton of funny money that all slams home in 2030 and not even care about the math.


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I would agree with the exception that prior to Collingsworth Taylor anticiated the count was never called and it gave him a slight edge. Since then he is really the only one the refs have drawn a hard line on an automatic false start if he is at all close to moving at the snap. It has taken away an edge he had prior to us signing him.

Taylor is the same thing he was the day he was signed, he's an athletic OT that by most metrics is an above average player. He gets penalties and he always has..

If you somehow think the Chiefs need to be rocking some OT set that involves elite players at both spots you have entirely unrealistic expectations.

Or he was expecting either of the attached players who scream out into the patterns to handle that guy. Or both.

I wasn't suggesting that they are looking to trade him. This thread is about looking for options. I was just floating a idea.

Sadly, I couldn't survive a day w/o unrealistic expectations. :)

The danger at LT right now far exceeds RT and Veach 100% needs to address the left side first. I would like to see competition for that RT position though. Taylor takes huge amounts of Chiefs money regardless but we need competition at that RT position in order to get the best possible starter next year. Would like to see Kingsley get a crack or a much more conditioned/healthy Humphries. I think RT would be a great place for Kingsley to get confidence and grow.

I think that was the play where the Eagles line jumped offside.. You can see the flag.. Probably thought the play was going to be blown dead..

Man oh man oh man. Gotta think majority of this came from the LT position.

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Putting Taylor at LT when he already isn't that great at RT is an idea cooked up in a meth lab. **** THAT.

He's not ****ing above average at RT, he's not even close.

I looked at the top 37 RTs in terms of snaps played this past year and Taylor is 18th in pressure % (pressures/pass block snaps), 34th in Penatly % (penalties/total snaps played) and 29th in negative play % (penalties + pressures/total snaps played).

Negative Play Sort
https://i.ibb.co/0jb109BS/RT-Ranks.png

Pressure % Sort
https://i.ibb.co/scf3WWF/RT-Ranks-2.png

Yeah it's a shame he's got the contract would love to have an open competitor between him and Wayna at RT

Who the **** is committing more penalties?!!

Nobody. He's dead last of that group. Spencer Brown is 1 behind him. I calculated based on % of snaps played though, which helps compare a bit better. Only Braden Smith and Spencer Brown had a worse %. It was 36 not 37 RTs. I f'd up on my post.

Taylor's been a problem in the regular season, but at least he's played well in the playoffs the last two years (which is all that matters to the Chiefs) until this Super Bowl.

He didn't get his shit pushed in as bad as Thuney, but he kept taking vertical sets against the wide 9 rush that landed him in Mahomes' lap. Once it was obvious they were doing nothing but bull rushing, he should have changed up his set. Maybe it's a technique issue they can fix in the offseason.

Because he's not going anywhere this year. So let's hope for the best.

Couple beliefs I currently hold:

1) Jawaan’s sets make life hard on his RG
2) Kingsley is going to be slotted at RG

And so… hopefully Kingsley’s tackle background will position him to play better with all the space that Taylor kinda makes that guard play within. But this is certainly a problem only one more year because Taylor, although shat on more than he deserves, is not going to be worth keeping at his cap number once the Chiefs can recoup a significant chunk of it back.

If nothing changes in his play or the way he's allowed to play in the most important game of all their careers I seriously doubt the first regular season game we see next year that things will be different.

This is what it is. I hate it and it's a huge negative but it ain't changing.

Thats an issue and the coaches should have had Jawaan fix his stance because it'd also help with penalties.

And yet in the clip that's posted above you, he isn't taking a vertical set at all.

We looked into this 'vertical set' thing from Schwartz about 8 weeks ago when he first said it and it was just goofy then and it's kinda goofy now.

Yes, he goes back deep on his sets. Because we work from the shotgun and Mahomes takes deep drops. Brown DIDN'T do that and people killed him for THAT. For 2 years we complained that OBJ wasn't getting back in his set and now that Taylor does we complain about that.

So much so that we even blame the failures of other players on it. Now that Taylor does do it, people blame Smith struggling on him. And when you go to the tap on it and Smith's just getting bullied backwards, people just ignore it and go back to "Taylor takes deep sets!".

Bottom line is that folks will NEVER be happy with the OTs here because nobody bats 1.000 and anytime Mahomes gets hit, the OTs get barbecued for it.

It's all gotten fairly repetitive at this point. And in many instances (such as 'Taylor was as bad as Thuney') just so fundamentally rooted in nonsense that it's just not worth addressing.

Speaking of Schwartz brothers..Geoff Schwartz thinks we need to draft a DL with our first pick since this isn’t a great OL class, we’d put all our eggs in one basket moving up and this DL class is one of the better ones and a strength of this class.

Hard to disagree with him. Especially with guys like Derrick Harmon available.

Yes the thread was made out of anger and before studying the draft. I think a vet LT might be our best course of action unfortunately

Hey man. You got there.

I was already there because I'm a draft nerd and have known the state of this draft for OTs for a LONG time.

I mean, I think the OT that is SAFEST is Armand Membou, and he's a 6'3.5" guy who only works at T because he has extraordinarily long arms for his height. And is probably a RT only. And will go way too high for KC's test.

Best-case scenario would be Josh Simmons falling down draft boards and being available in the low 20s, where you could make a deal with the Steelers or Vikings to go get him. That would still have risk, but it's the only first-round, trade-up scenario that I think makes sense for KC.

Other than that, making it a numbers game and having a vet option or two to throw at things sounds like the most logical combination of floor and upside out there.

It's kind of like taking a QB round 1. If a guy that fits and is worth it isn't there or at a pick you can get to, keep band-aiding the position until you can find a real fix that works and is acceptable to your cost ratio.

But what if we could trade McDuffie?

;)

All this is why I'll be shocked if Veach doesn't bite the bullet and pay a proven LT in FA. The benefits are many, and even when it's an overpay, it would be so so nice to put a guy in there Mahomes knows can play the position, and you also can just slot Kingsley in at RG and your OL is set before you ever go on the clock.

Then in the draft, it's just BPA through and through which is probably going to mean some combination of DL, RB, DB, and maybe another DL or pass catcher in those first few picks.

If Stanley makes it to the market, I'd say just get ready for it. If he doesn't, my money will be on one of the other vets to quickly get signed by us. I think they already wanted to move Kingsley - hence the Week 18 lineup and him nearly going in for Caliendo - but after the disaster of the SB, I unfortunately don't think planning for his development at LT is a road they can go down. Too much risk.

i do struggle to come up with a reason not to like Will Campbell. I just don't think he's a guy that's going top 10 most years (probably nearer 18-22) and this year he probably will. Just too rich for my blood.

I do think I'd look awfully long at Zabel if he fell. He has real technique issues in pass pro given the offense he played in at NDSU. He might end up having to play guard as he doesn't seem to play as long as his height. I'll be curious to see how he measures.

But he's athletic and tough. I just don't know that he's someone I'm taking in the 1st when I'm not completely sold on him being able to stick at OT. That said, there are a LOT of similarities between him and Thuney. If he ends up taking Thuney's spot at LG over the long-term, it's not the worst use of a 1st.

For you (and definitely you, Idaho, as I believe you were early on this train) -- if the Rams tag Alaric Jackson, what would you give up?

At this point, I honestly don't see enough difference in Smith and Jackson in terms of pure value to this team to see a noticable difference between the two.

So if the Rams tag Jackson and we tag Smith, then we can get Smith dealt for a mid 2nd and flip that mid 2nd to the Rams for Jackson while getting Jackson extended at figures that are close to what Smith would extend at -- dammit, I think I'd just do it and call it a day.

If not, I'm calling the Dolphins about Armstead.

Stanley's availability is just so spotty. Not the upshot to that is that it will likely be priced into his value on the market AND, while we seemingly have nothing we can truly count on to start, we do have some options in Morris and even Kingsley that might not be catastrophic if he misses 2-3 games here and there.

I mean I don't think you can reasonably expect more than 12 games out of Stanley at this point. The injury history is just so damn loud. And he's getting older.

Yeah the issue of doing a trade up is you likely have to trade 63 or 66 and probably your 4th to move up that high. Simmons is the only guy in the draft that I’d trade up for and I think he’s going in the top 20 unfortunately.

They need to play Kingsley next year whether it’s at LT or RG. He’s too high of an investment and he’s got the traits you can’t teach. He was talked about as a late 1st rd pick.

He may have struggled but OL rarely have elite size and elite athleticism, especially guys that don’t go I the top 20 picks. Kingsley is very similar in size and athleticism to Tristan Wirfs. Both have the size and athleticism, albeit Kingsley is stronger. Wirfs developed at Iowa which is known for their work with OL while Kingsley went to BYU and their high RPO get rid to the ball quickly offense that didn’t develop him near as well.

Kingsley is gonna be like Fisher. It’s gonna take time if he plays LT. People forget that Fisher wasn’t good until year 4. Donald Stephenson started games at LT in year 3 and people hated it.

I’m not sure people are gonna be patient with Kingsley, but he is still only 22 this coming season. He’s really young. If he hits by the time he’s 23 or 24, that’s a solution for maybe the rest of Mahomes career here.

I said this about 6 weeks ago -- Kingsley was Alaric Jackson before Jackson.

If we want a young LT who didn't cost a small fortune to acquire, we just have to be patient with them.

Kingsley has every bit of physical ability you could want from a LT. He's just raw as hell.

So was Jackson. He barely played as a rookie, was little more than a functional reserve in his 2nd year. Went through some growing pains while being mostly adequate in his 3rd year and didn't truly break through until this season. That's what people USED to expect from guys like that.

I don't see any reason in the world to think Kingsley couldn't do the same thing.

The reason I'd be willing to pony up for Jackson if he's available is that nothing would prevent Kingsley from playing very well at RT if he develops. And at that point, he'd probably be ready to play around the time Taylor's deal becomes something we can move on from.

I've kinda been anti-Jackson because I think McVay asked very little of him relative to what most LTs, especially Andy's, are asked to do. There just isn't much tape or proof out there to give a high degree of confidence he can execute the job description of a KC left tackle. I guess that's also why I do favor Stanley a little - I know he's a Andy Reid prototype in a lot of ways. Armstead too, but his injury history is no better; it may be worse.

I'll reiterate too though that Andy shouldn't be asking so damn much of these guys anymore, OL are already behind the curve so much in this era that you're really setting them up to fail with as little help as he gives them. I'm not even saying just chip help, it goes beyond that.

I still think when it's all said and done, Kingsley ends up the LT.

Just hope it's not because we pay one of these brokedick bandaids and he's forced in again.

Me too. There's no need to rush the kid.

This is the best case for all. CP just wants a right now move to make them feel better. People want Jaylon Moore (who I think I like best of all so far), Alaric Jackson and Cam Robinson because it feels guaranteed. In reality they all have serious warts. And the most popular one has expensive warts. Bring back Humphries and let Kingsley develop.

Believe htismaqe is an Iowa fan so he could tell you this as well as anybody. Kirk Ferentz runs a pro style offense there. If you’re an offensive player in that program that doesn’t play QB, your ass better know how to block or damn well learn it. It’s demanded there. That’s why their players have good technique entering the league.

And you see it with their players. Alaric Jackson, Tristan Wirfs, Brandon Scherff, etc. Even the TE’s like LaPorta and Kittle are solid at worst blockers.

Kingsley played in an RPO spread offense that was composed of getting rid of the ball quickly and not actually learning technique. You’re not gonna learn countermoves or hand usage that way.

This is exactly why I’m not interested in Josh Conerly. Same system but a lesser sized and lesser strength player that is also a project in my eyes and looked good due to system more so than talent.

Kingsley is a raw block of stone and I’m really disappointed Andy just threw him in there so quickly without realizing his flaws in camp. It was unfair to the kid. I think they have to get this guy on the field though. He was a high investment. I hope that he is the future at LT but honestly he needs to fix a problem somewhere. If that’s RG and he provides adequate play there, then it’s not a failure. But the upside of being a long term LT cannot be ignored with this kid.

Next year?

They’re about to overpay for a FA tackle

How far up could we get into the 1st using next year’s 2nd? …I’m not sure next year’s picks are valued the same as picks traded in the same draft.

Maybe, Pitt’s 1st @ #21? I assume that puts us in play for at least Conerly Jr in this draft, hopefully Simmons, maybe Banks Jr falls, or Membou get’s some love at the combine and goes in that range...but I’m not certain any of the LT’s in this draft immediately solve our problem.

Never said next year. Probably won't happen that fast.

"Bring back Humphries and let Kingsley develop."

Sure, until Humphries tears one of those paper mache ligaments in his knees or strains his back shitting and we're right back to square one.

I’d bring Humphries back too, let’s create as much competition on the OL as possible to find our guys. We could always try trading away one of our recently picked guys if they don’t have a place here.

ROFL

I think the NFL knows this about Humphries and I don't think many teams are going to pursue him, he might just come back to the Chiefs cheap enough that it would be worth a shot with the given risks

If it's for vet minimum sure. But we had to give him a contract that was essentially an 8 figure deal prorated to about 4 million. So let's not waste any more time, reps, or cap on a known broke dick that Reid wouldn't even consider after he got injured again.

The jump from rookie year to year 2 is said to be the biggest jump for players. They aren’t preparing for the underwear Olympics, interrogation sessions and traveling for team visits like they were as draft prospects.

In Eric Fisher’s case, it took longer and I think a major reason for that was his shoulder surgery that limited him from working out and getting stronger.

I want to see what Kingsley looks like in camp at LT with a full offseason of coaching technique, which I think he will do. It’s not fair to judge a raw prospect off of a couple of games where he was clearly not ready. Again we’ve seen this before with LT’s.

Kolton Miller, Eric Fisher and Garrett Bolles are perfect examples of 1st rd LT’s that were god awful as rookies and then developed into good starters.

All this preaching about patience just falls on deaf ears to me unless Reid himself shows he's willing to do it. He's already benched Suamataia. Twice. No reason to believe he's willing to just throw him out and let him sink or swim again.

I would like to see Kingsley get playing time at RG next year or even RT eventually, but we need to have more guaranteed options at LT next year versus hoping Kingsley gets better with another offseason.

Campbell's questions are about his length and whether he has the size to stick at LT. I like Zabel, too, but he seems likely to get overdrafted to me.

I don't think the Chiefs can afford to pay Ronnie Stanley. Not from a raw cost perspective, but from a cost + availability risk perspective.

I'm not high enough on Jackson to trade for him coming off the franchise tag (and the Rams don't use the tag, so I don't think that scenario will come up). The attraction there is that you have a young player who seems to be ascending and high quality. I see some parallels to Mitchell Schwartz, I guess.

But yes, there are some concerns about how valuable he is at LT. The Rams' willingness to let him get to FA also gives pause.

A pick in future drafts is generally regarded as equivalent in value to a pick from this year, but a round lower. So a future 2nd is like trading a present 3rd. So the value on including next year's 2nd is only enough to get you to about 25 on the Rich Hill trade chart.

I wouldn't pay anything close to that price for Conerly, though. If he falls to 31 it might be worth it. But I'm not burning assets for a guy who isn't Day 1 ready and has the questions he does.

Ronnie Stanley has only played 48 games the last 5 seasons. He’s missed 40% of the games.

There’s no way you could convince me that he’s worth acquiring unless it’s for a smaller contract that is incentivized heavily upon him staying healthy. Even then it’s not appealing.

I’d rather bring Humphries back at a small contract then sign Stanley.

Yeah, Stanley's not really on my radar for that same reason.

He's more name than production at this point.

That said, it's at least somewhat disengenuous to cite a 5 year window when he was A) mostly healthy prior to 20/21 and B) has been fairly healthy in 23 and 24.

I mean he's played 80% of the games over the last 3 seasons -- expanding that out to 5 is a pretty obvious example of using arbitrary endpoints to establish an argument. He played 88% of the games in the first 4 years of his career. Over the 9 seasons he's played, he's played 84% of the games in aggregate over 7 of them.

So barring the two seasons that were just lost years, he's reasonably likely to play 12-13 games. If he's capable of playing at an elite level and the injury risk is priced in, that's someone worth keeping an eye on.

But I'm not breaking the bank for him or building my offseason around him either.

We could live with his pressure rate allowed. Adding on the asinine penalties makes him one of the worst RTs in the NFL. I swear to **** he kills two drives a game all by himself and the percentage of negative plays seems to back up that notion. I championed signing this cat too when he became a free agent but I've conceded he's just not that great. His contract makes it worse because we can't even get out of it to move on to greener pastures until 2026. Hell, we could have kept Wylie who has played just as well if not better most of the time in Washington.

This year, you had the added bonuses of Smith having a bad year, Caliendo sucking shit, and Thuney playing a position he has no business playing. That just makes watching Taylor do his dumb shit worse.

I'm absolutely not in on paying any of these guys AND giving up a premium pick. If any of them get tagged, that would be a non-starter for me.

I forgot that the franchise tag is for all OL rather than just OGs -- puts Smith's tag number at about $25 million.

Damn. Gonna have a tough time getting him tagged/traded at that number because it gives him pretty substantial leverage in contract discussions.

Probably going to have to just let him walk.

I agree and I still think Kingsley could have had a much much better rookie year if he wasn't left on an island so much early on. Give the rookie some help!

I keep looking at his cousin Penei Sewell and they match up almost perfectly in measurables, its kinda freaky. Sewell also had a bad rookie year but of course has become the best RT in the NFL. I don't know for sure but I'd guess the Lions gave him more help than what we gave Kingsley! I wonder if Kingsley would be better on the right side, does it even matter anymore?

I'm still in favor of going after a high end tackle. Even if we pay up for Stanley or Alaric Jackson to be our LT. Kingsley can still be our swing guy and develop behind both Jawaan Taylor and Stanley/Jackson. Then take over for Taylor in 2026 as the starter.

Too bad, it would be great to trade him for some more draft capital in the upcoming draft.

There are enough teams with massive cap space that it could get done.

But it's a massive risk. And if you're a team looking to acquire him at that figure, it's gonna be because you simply couldn't find a more appealing prospect in FA. Which means we've locked in a $25 million cap hold in the early phases of FA that could've been used elsewhere.

Now if we had no real intention of doing anything with it and we're just looking to use that space on extension for guys on the roster, that's not a huge deal. At that point, maybe you gamble.

But he did himself no favors in the SB. I don't think he's going to have that kind of market.

I just don't think he's that good of a player. What am I missing here?