There were zero games going on while we were there.

Wasn't really venturing out at night because when you have two eight-year-olds, you're doing bedtime by 9 every night, anyway. But I did have to move around a little bit after dark and didn't observe or experience anything shady or discomforting.

Living in the city I can give you all some advice. See a panhandler? Don't even make eye contact, see a bunch of "teens" leaving trouble ain't far behind, see a fight? GTFO ASAP gunplay isn't far behind

It is not. It is really strange that you guys think we should all just hand over piles of cash for an organization that did not even begin to through the motions to explain how it would be used and it how it would impact the community.

I live in KCMO. But yes, I know those things.

It's amazing how the people who don't live here have been wrong about everything


https://twitter.com/CaudillKPR/statu...6nfv8cN5A&s=19

I can't understand what Kelley said: Sports book would never be as big as a concession stand can attract? What?

I think that was mainly hope that Kansas would be an option...otherwise there is a greater chance we lose the Royals for good.

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Every step of the way.

Very cool map showing how each area voted

https://twitter.com/JazHays/status/1...xC5FvzDkQ&s=19

Lotta green for the highly informed voting block east of 71. Got clobbered everywhere else

So where would the Chiefs stadium go since KC has taken over Jackson country and TSC seems like it's a non starter for them?

Fear based voters... now 18th and Vine will close because a baseball stadium on the other side of 71 won't be bringing them all this new revenue.
In reality the 18th and vine area would have been perfect for a KC baseball stadium but they got passed over for being on the "wrong side of the tracks".

Some of you really need to be more self aware to realize that when it comes to the actual city of Kansas City you guys literally have zero idea what you are talking about. None.

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"At least a dozen projects in the 18th & Vine Jazz District are underway. That influx has fueled interest in a new parking garage." Via Kansas City Business Journal published yesterday.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansasci...age-bonds.html

Lol. I live in the area. And I saw all the propaganda about how the area is doomed without a yes vote, seems to have worked.

:thumb:

Glad to see that my area told them nlm :hump: rochambeau and 4321

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Clark Hunt said that the Chiefs &amp; Royals are set now to work independently on their upcoming push to have new stadium deals within the city.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1784282935526293841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I just listened to Clark's press conference. He mentioned "New Stadium" more than "Renovation."

Well duh... It was silly to combine them at the last minute.

KC would probably by the land from the county

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Legends.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ions-arrowhead

If people are being honest, Clark deserves more hate than Sherman over the plan they had. The Royals 3 quarter assed the plan but the Chiefs at best half assed it. They gave people of Jackson county literally nothing to be excited about (DIFFERENT ORIENTATION PARKING!!!) And now are going in a complete opposite direction now that the vote was turned down. I don't think it's a stretch to think they purposefully sabotaged the whole plan to get to this point.

This was intentional. They wanted it to fail. They now have more leverage with the county, and they can reach out to other suitors with impunity.

Maybe but the teams did spend a Jackson County record 6 million on campaign funding for the vote

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LMAO Hunt totally threw so he could justify a new stadium.

Didn’t want to be stuck in an industrial district in a butthole county. Can’t blame him

But the guy in Florida and Iowa told us to vote for it!

If you are talking about me, I absolutely would have voted for this as I hope they stay at Arrowhead. This would have locked that up for a long time on a trust me basis from Hunt with a limited plan. Now the county will have an albatross...

Again with this MLB/NFL package deal nonsense.

It sounds like the KCK Legends area is pretty nice. Hard to blame Hunt if he wants to put a brand new indoor stadium there and host some big events like the Super Bowl & Final Four. An older Mahomes above age 35 would probably appreciate an indoor stadium instead of the super cold weather of his prime years.

It.. isn't.

It's nice if you're a terrified suburbanite who likes concrete and parking lots.

It really isn't. I didn't get why some people act like it's this early premier location

It's in the middle of nowhere. Truman Sports Complex isn't downtown, but at least it's pretty central to the metro area. Even people in Overland Park, who you would think would be the winners of a move to Kansas, probably have about the same commute to get to Legends as they do to Truman Sports Complex. For most others it just got considerably longer.

Where else can people envision tailgating on such a scale?

When you're used to Detroit (TSC), Indianapolis doesn't look so bad.

Being the location that makes the most sense for a new stadium in KCK doesn't have to equate to it being a premier location.

For an NFL stadium, the Legends is a good spot. Parking lots, has enough development there for most fans. Easy access by roads.

Baseball needs to be downtown.

Kansas doesn't have a downtown.

You could see this coming from a mile away from the Sam McDowell article at the end of last year. I don't think the Chiefs tanked this but if you read between the lines they were saying "If you want to keep Arrowhead this is the plan" and it was rejected and they don't want to deal with Frank White anymore. Kansas is going to try and swoop in and steal the teams and all the tax revenue.

Chiefs will go to Kansas. Royals in downtown KC or NKC.

Considering it's only 20 minutes exit to exit between the locations, not sure how it's considerably longer for most people, assuming most people live between the two spots... and if you live directly east of the stadium, it's 20 minutes further.

I dunno, I grew up in the Northland... getting anywhere took 20 minutes. :shrug:

I live in northland. Here it's probably not too bad. From my house to Arrowhead is 20 minutes today, would be 30 minutes to Legends. But I'm just picturing everything East of downtown dumping out onto I-70 at once. A lot of people live somewhere East of the stadium. 20 minutes is not insignificant. 45 minutes is a whole different world to me than 25.

Whatever, if Kansas gets it done and locks up the teams for what would probably be another 25+ years then I'll take it. Will miss Arrowhead terribly, but I'll take it.

It seems a lot of the travel time can be sitting in bumper to bumper traffic during the last mile and getting into and out of parking lots when it comes to sporting events and concerts and that can as important sometimes as location.

Not sure just exactly where in Legends the stadium would be or what sort of interstate access it would have.

And how long does it take to park on game day?

That is what is relevant.

If they moved the stadium over to Kansas, it would be more convenient for me. It would be something like 8.75 hours instead of 9 hours.

My guess is it will be about the same. Arrowhead and Kauffman are pretty good at handling that. Legends should be able to handle it as well.

Chiefs are not leaving Arrowhead to build what will end up being the lousiest stadium in the AFC West when Denver Broncos build new 10 years from now.

I like what the Northland is doing but picturing the Heart of America Bridge after a game seems like Heartburn of American Bridge

I'm not one for "OMG parking/logistics" but I always kept to the city side of the river for a reason

Its been a minute for me though so maybe things flow better coming and going from Northland than they did before

Plus the Royals are only drawing a couple thousand a night anyway so probably irrelevant

Last time I was at Arrowhead, KU was playing Mizzou, so it's been a while...

I didn't think it was horrible, but it didn't seem great.

One parking layout might be ten minutes quicker to get out of than a different one and I don't think people always appreciate the difference.

That's the equivalent of ten miles once you get out and up to highway speeds.

Kansas Speedway was designed to handle crowds of 80k. Not much different than Arrowhead.

It will be nice. Plenty of spots to park the superduty. Lots of entertainment and dining options. Poors from Columbia have said they won’t make the trip so less thuggery and douchebaggery

Why would a new stadium be any lousier than any other random new NFL stadium?

Okay, it probably won't be a 5 billion gold plated stadium, but neither would an Arrowhead renovation...

I know it wasn't exactly your point, but you'd have to live in Odessa to be 25 minutes from Arrowhead and 45 from the Speedway.

But yeah, I-70 might suck, because I imagine more people would be using it to go west than people currently use it to go east towards Arrowhead... as you go southeast and towards 470, it's probably not much further to take 435 around the south side of the city (of course, adding a little more to the +20 minutes of moving the stadium).

Well, 2026 is the World Cup at Arrowhead and the year Frank White gets trounced in the election. Royals say they want new place, so they might move, but Chiefs are not going to find a better option than Arrowhead.

They aren't going to wait that long. Clark literally said those exact words himself this weekend during the draft. It takes so many years to build these stadiums they have to start now to get it finished before the lease ends. This is going to be settled in the next year or so no matter what the solution is.

I grew up in southern Lee’s Summit. Google Maps from my childhood home to Legends shows 45 minutes. Driving out of the burbs takes some time.

Whatever dude. Chiefs like Arrowhead. And hosting World Cup games there and setting it up to have full size field for soccer games in the future makes it much less likely that they would want to leave. FIFA would not have picked KC over Denver and Nashville and Cincinnati if it were not for Lamar Hunt's connection to growing the game and Arrowhead being a unique venue. Arrowhead hosted one of the best Messi events since he moved to MLS and it was not even set up for the better field size.

They’ll build a new stadium where Kaufman is. Clark is traditional and won’t want to leave the area.

Yup. Stadiums are now vanity projects for billionaires but none of the Hunt"s billionaire friends want to come to KC or butthole TSC either. I bet neither team ends up in another fly over state.

Let the bonner springs royals go to KS

not sure if it was mentioned but KS legislature is already prepping a star bond stadium bullshit thing to try and land the teams over on their side

No way Missouri doesn’t do the same to keep from losing two NFL teams.

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let the royals go to bonner springs

it will be hilarious all the confusion between ks and mo

They can do every bit of that in a new stadium. Mark Donovan said the area isn't worth investing in and this weekend Clark Hunt said maybe it's time to look for a new stadium. They're basically telling you what they're about to do. People will say they're negotiating and that may be true but the thing is Jackson County is going to have to come back with more than the tax that just failed and I don't think Frank White will go for that in a million years. It feels like that bridge may be burned.

If they don't want a new stadium in the TSC, I don't know where else they can build inside KC city limits if people had such a problem with the downtown Royals stadium.

I also don't see what the legends has that they can't replicate in the TSC. Some outlet stores a movie theater and a couple bar and grills? Maybe it's cause I've lived on the Missouri side basically my whole life but I can't imagine if those same things were at the TSC, people wouldn't rather go there than drive to Kansas.

If Clark matched what Sherman was putting in for the stadium to build a new one and it included some kind of roof, voters would have said yes to the last vote. I just don't get the strategy the Chiefs are using and how the legends are is so appealing if that's what they're threatening the city and county with.

I'm kind of curious why it matters to Missouri residents. If the rich people fleece taxpayers to get stadiums built, then a Missouri resident would want it to be built just over the border in Kansas so they can go to games without paying for the stadium, right? Or am I missing something?

White barely won the last primary and the only reason he was ever elected is because nobody pays much attention to that election.

Why would Clark Hunt shit away all the goodwill the Chiefs have built up by acting like a unrealistic bitch that does not know who is who?

Clark isn't going to see it that way. They're going to see it as they gave Jackson County a chance and they were told no by a pretty convincing margin.

Frank White doesn't leave office until Jan. 2027. They aren't going to wait 3 years to solve this even if they stayed in Arrowhead. They have to have all of this decided by sometime in 2025 to start construction.

Call it stupid civic pride or whatever, but I like the fact that the Chiefs play in the city I'm from.


And plus, Kansas ****ing sucks. So there's also that.

This is from today: https://www.kmbc.com/article/jackson...ation/60641473

That's what you say.

https://www.kctv5.com/2024/04/22/con...orld-cup-2026/

Chiefs are going to work with city, county and state to pay for changes to Arrowhead for World Cup 2026.

Laura Kelly and KCK were onboard with the World Cup bid because they want some teams to set up camps there. You think the Kansas City Sports Commission that put in all that work and Clark Hunt are going to say there is no priority in having the entities that had to work together like crazy to get the World Cup in the smallest North American market to get games in continuing to work together.

There is no reason to worry about where to play in 2032 that makes it a good idea to create dissension right now over some shit that can be figured out much later.

The Bills plan to play their 2026 schedule in their new stadium and they did not have deal until March 2022 and did not start moving dirt until October 2023.

Chiefs should not be in a hurry to kill fanbase morale no later than 2025 and kill bistate cooperation ahead of the biggest bistate accomplishment of getting World Cup games so that it turns out bad.

Shocker…a bunch of bitter Missourians taking shots at the state that has to bail your asses out of this mess.

Always wondered what Missourians are so bitter about anyway. Maybe some Jayhawkers should go Quantrill and burn down Missouri and give you something to be bitter about. LMAO

Lamar and Norma are both gone now. Clark has been loyal to their wishes and love of Arrowhead. Its now Clarks team for the most part now and he will go where he gets the best deal. Missouri and KC in general better get with it.

Also the Hunts have undeveloped lands in the Northland and a very good relationship with lands he could acquire owned by the LDS church. The LDS church lands is still massive up north. Clark won't hurt for locations on either side of the state line. I love the TSC but face it nothing will ever come of that area. Clark knows this and isn't about to pour money into the city's next 18th and Vine district.

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As opposed to….where the stadiums are now?