Lance Zierlein is very high on Troy Franklin. He has him as his WR5, right behind Brian Thomas Jr. at 4.

Mitchell: WR7
Worthy: WR18

No, he's not.

Yeah, his small size handed us the game. Good job by him.

Even money says he shit on the McDuffie pick because "Spags likes big corners" as well.

National media guys get the Chiefs wrong seemingly every single time.

Honestly, the "slot" only stuff doesn't really mean much to me in the Chiefs current offense. They don't really do that. Guys move around everywhere.

Great.


The problem is the current KC team doesn't actually have guys that can win on the boundary.


That's why we went 16 straight drives in the AFC Chamoionship and SB with Patrick Mahomes in his prime without scoring a TD.

I prefer to fix the problem rather than doing the same shit that didn't work before.

I'm glad he fumbled and did not score 2 TD's against us.


Of course without him Baltimore wouldn't have been competitive because he's a difference maker.

Rice was really polarizing, there were quite a few draft people who didn't like him at all.

He's too small. Won't hold up.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Busy dreaming of Troy Franklin with a QB who can create out of structure in the pros <br><br>He’s a first round lock and I’m stoked to see his combine numbers <a href="https://t.co/pzZFqMgCuB">pic.twitter.com/pzZFqMgCuB</a></p>&mdash; FF Mike Kash (@FFMikeKash) <a href="https://twitter.com/FFMikeKash/status/1761842226601087413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Stuff like this makes me think with Mahomes he would be a monster.

If anything the Chiefs have shown an affinity for 'heavy slot' personnel groups. They started Rice there, they've used Watson there. They used put Watkins in the slot a fair bit. Obviously they love Kelce out of the slot as a move TE. JJSS was out of the slot about half the time. Meanwhile Skyy Moore spent about twice as much time out wide this year as he did from the slot.

The Chiefs don't appear to care much about the more traditional slot WR.

If a guy gets open, Reid will figure out how to use him and it will probably be all over the formation.

They just move guys around everywhere. They're not "plop a guy out wide and leave him there" offensively.

Too many guys I like in this draft class, I want Franklin and Pearsall- is that too much to ask?

Franklin is a guy I can see moving around but primarily as a Vertical 2.

Franklin wins at all levels, from the outside. I don't know where you're getting this narrative that he doesn't. He's twice the receiver that Adonai Mitchell is and it's not particularly close.

Speed on the outside, big guys on the inside. :D

At the next level I see Franklin as a Jameson Williams style decoy and Adonai as a #1 WR who is focal.

I prefer the #1 WR that can eat 12+ targets a game.

Ranking in terms of my opinion of their potential career production:

Thomas
Legette
Worthy
Franklin
Coleman
Mitchell

Ranking in terms of the order I think they'll be drafted:

Thomas
Franklin
Coleman
Worthy
Mitchell
Legette

If some actual NFL team actually takes little Worthy before Adonai I will laugh my ass off.

So the guy that runs like a deer and was twice as productive in college is going to be a decoy while the guy that runs like a snail and is rail thin too is going to eat. Hmm. I think not.

Mitchell will be lucky if he proves to be a Tee Higgins. That is a reliable but not dynamic #2 WR. He's no Alpha dawg. I'd respect this "alpha" bullshit mentality if you were saying these things about Keon Coleman because he at least has the mass and speed to potentially be that guy.

If he actually "ran like a snail" there would be no need for the Alabama corners to constantly grab his jersey because he was beating them so bad.


ROFL

If I give you the over/under on him at 4.58 in the 40 what are you taking?

Under.

If he runs around what J Jeff did I am good.

Dude, Jefferson ran a 4.43.

Aint' no way on this planet that Mitchell is touching that.

I gave you 4.58 because Tee Higgins ran a 4.59.

Oh did he?

I thought it was closer to 4.5.

I'm fine with that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I cannot emphasize the difficulty of this catch enough. The tracking, balance, stride control, and eye control while running full speed tracking up over the top are insane. If Worthy&#39;s gait is out of control and not balanced, his eyes would have to compensate even more..Wow <a href="https://t.co/5K94mcjUkG">pic.twitter.com/5K94mcjUkG</a></p>&mdash; Erik Turner Cover 1 Jefe (@ErikJTurner) <a href="https://twitter.com/ErikJTurner/status/1762511680750100659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I am not at all comparing Worthy to Tyreek, but the difference between Tyreek and our other gadget guys was that Tyreek had the WR skills too.

Worthy isn't Hardman. He can track the ball in the air. He's a much better route runner than Hardman was coming out too.

Funny thing about a Tyreek comp is that he wouldn't have run under it. He'd have run to the spot, jumped up and turned. He just never seemed as comfortable with the over the shoulder catch. Given his druthers, he'd turn and go up for it every time.

And as for that catch - it's a very good one but almost to the point that I'm not sure it's not about 1/2 luck. Let's do the most extreme example so as to not make this sound worse than it is. If OBJ attempted that insane Monday Night catch 50 times, he'd snag it maybe 3 or 4 of them. It took great skill to be in the position to make the catch but sometimes these guys surprise themselves. I kinda wonder if Worthy didn't there.

Though to your overarching point, yes, I far prefer Worthy to Mitchell. Because I think Worthy's floor is a lot higher. Worthy is GOING to produce in this league. Maybe never more than 5-600 yards in a season if he doesn't fully develop, but he'll produce.

Mitchell could just end up being Jalen Reagor. There's just nothing special there, IMO.

I can absolutely see Tyreek doing that lol, the gift of being the fastest player ever on a football field.

But yea, it's even not about this one catch, he just consistently shows the WR skills to be more than just a gadget guy.

And we know with our history that we can plug a guy like him in right away and get 500+ yards and 6+ TDs in the gadget role alone year 1.

Yeah. The issue with Mitchell is he's probably the same speed as Higgins but 20 pounds lighter. So if you add weight to help him play a more physical game, he's just going to get slower. He also doesn't look to have elite agility at his size like a guy like Hopkins has. That's not to say he can't be good, but any visions of him blowing by an NFL corner are probably null and void. We'll see what he runs before I make a final assessment but right now Mitchell is in my bottom half of the 2nd range. If he runs significantly faster than what I see watching the guy on TV, I might change my opinion. I just see him as a guy that got plenty of 1-on-1 looks because of the fear of Worthy over the top and he had enough to stick it to some college DBs. That's fine. I'm not saying he'll be bad I just don't think he's going to amazing either

Worthy falls right in that 5'11-6'1 range Dj and I were talking about the other day.

Many of his highlights on YouTube are just deep shots, but he is more than just a straight line deep threat.

He isn't the route runner that AD Mitchell is, but he is a much better route runner than MVS, and it's not even close.

Fast enough and has more craft to his routes than Worthy who will play 40+ lbs lighter at the NFL level.

One of the reasons I wanted Mims over Rice last year was because I knew the history of rookie wide receivers under Reid, but Reid gets excited to draw up plays for special players. I also wanted Mims because he is a good punt returner.

Mims is nowhere near as explosive (to me anyway) as Worthy, and I think Andy would love to design plays for another 4.2 guy.

What role do you see for Worthy in the NFL?

#1 WR

#2 WR

Slot/Gadget?

Doesn't hit my 190, though...

He's a slight dude. Not fair to call him 'little' necessarily, but there's not a super long list of guys built like him that hold up well to the NFL.

I mean your first thought is Waddle but Waddle was shorter/thicker than Worthy.

I can really only think of DeVonta Smith of late. Does worthy have that kind of explosion? Is he that easy in/out of his cuts?

Feels like that's the kind of guy you hope Worthy can be but that's a pretty tall order. All due respect to Worthy, what DeVonta was doing at Alabama was damn near unprecedented. Worthy wasn't THAT.

And on that subject, you just know that MahomesMagic would've been here calling Jerry Jeudy the big dawg Alpha at Alabama while Smith was just a tiny slot guy...

He absolutely loved Jeudy, so you're probably right.

Waddle was my favorite of the 3.

Devonta was an obvious 1st round talent.

But Waddle was special, special.

Only player that is in the ballpark of Tyreek for explosiveness.

Yup - dude's got it all figured out.

You had Waddle over Chase?

Wild.

Still love Jeudy.

But I would not touch him in fantasy until he gets out of Denver.

If he was in Green Bay or KC and made the focal he could hit 100 catches a year easy.

They were 1A/1B to me

Jeudy is dumb as a mother****ing rock.

I think he can be a top 15 WR still, but part of the problem is clearly him. Dude is an entitled moron.

Someday someone's gonna find the post I make in 3 weeks when I say I like Nabers more than Harrison and it's probably not gonna go well for me...

Chase is clearly the alpha.

Your alpha radar was broken then bruh.

Both elite.

Both hurt a lot.

That seems to actually be a common hot take right now.

I think Nabers is a WR1 in most drafts, and I absolutely love him, so I get it.

I just don't think you can pass up Harrison when he's so ****ing safe.

Waddle is robin. Chase is Batman.

You don't like admitting when you were wrong even years after huh?

I'm leaning Nabers but haven't spent much time digging into Harrison because he was always on the TV anyway and was never going to not be a top 2 pick based on hype alone.

He definitely is thin.

He's also only 20, so the whole "add some weight to him" might work here.

I have been wrong on guys.


But your statement that I was wrong on Jeudy is stuff for low rent morons and casuals.

I actually thought you knew more ball than that.

I don't think he can be WR1, and at this point I don't particularly see him as a WR2.

But, he is more of a threat than a regular WR3.

So, more than a slot or gadget guy, and with NFL coaches, trainers, and nutritionists, he is bound to get a little bigger, and stronger.

I imagine if Hardman was a Pro Bowl returner his rookie year, Worthy could do that, plus he is more of a true receiver than Hardman.

I like Mitchell better, because he has size, and is a smooth route runner. In this offense, with Kelce and Mahomes to help him learn to attack zones, he compliments Rice, and the rest of the offense better.

Earlier someone said he was like Tee Higgins, and meant it as a bad thing, but if Mitchell was Higgins, and we could have 5 years of control, I would take that.

Yeah, I'm not there yet, but I was about a week ahead of Draft Twitter on it. It was one of those 'don't believe my lying eyes' things where I thought "nah - I can't actually be seeing what I think I'm seeing, do I? - Nabers is !@#$ing amazing..."

Since it ultimately won't be me that gets fired, I have no problem saying I think it. I probably agree with you - if I'm sitting there at 4 after 3 quarterbacks have come off the board, I don't think I can possibly pass on him. Taking Harrison and having Nabers be better won't get you fired. But taking Nabers and having Harrison be better just might.

I don't know that I said you were completely wrong about Jeudy, did I?

Like I said, I think the talent is there, but he's an entitled moron.

You seem to want to blame literally everything on situation. That situation didn't stop Sutton from bouncing back this year.

I don't hate Worthy I just don't see how what he does is more valuable than a guy that projects as a #1 WR.

Nabors IS amazing. But he's not Harrison Jr. amazing.

IMO, Harrison is to Julio Jones like Nabors is to Sammy Watkins.

Jerry Jeudy will probably be out of the league in a few years.

The situation is that Payton wants to feed Sutton as the #1.


;)

100%

I'm sure you know way more about WRs than Payton too.

Harrison Jr is the Trevor Lawrence of this draft.

He will be good and play but the hype is over the top and not reality.

Marvin Harrison Jr. = grossly overrated

Adonai Mitchell = top 15 player

Wow.

Unless the reports are way off, he's much, much faster than Higgins.

I wouldn't take Harrison JR high if I didn't already have a QB.

Nope, he knows what he needs to do to grind out his system.


I still think Jeudy is better.


We shall see what they do at QB.

Russ isn't going to thrive the way other QB's do.

Throwing to Jeudy in the slot wasn't his calling card.

You put Jerry Jeudy ahead of Justin Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb.

You couldn't possibly have been more wrong. I mean, except for where you called KJ Hamler a 1st round pick.

I didn't say grossly overrated.


He is going to be very good.


But the hype and comparisons to Julio or Megatron...


No way.


LMAO

Show me your board for that year.

I would be shocked if you didn't have way dumber shit.

You are ignoring the injuries, the drops, and the overall dumbassery that has also led to Jeudy being a disappointment.

Why is being honest so hard for you?

You can acknowledge that the situation isn't great. I even think you make a decent point here.

Just for once stop telling 1/2 the story and pretending the other half doesn't exist.

It doesn't matter whether it's a prospect you love or hate, this is the pattern.

Harrison Jr. is the most complete WR i've seen come out of the draft since Julio.

Because I don't agree with your casual fan assessment.

I think he would look very good on a different team.

If he went somewhere and was fed and didn't produce I will change my stance.

I don't think what he does is more valuable than a real WR1, but he has speed that makes other fast players look slow, and there are only a handful of players like that.

We all knew that Tyreek was really, really fast, but the percentage of people who thought he could develop into a WR1 when he first arrived in KC is probably very low.

Maybe Worthy does the same thing, and the chance to get a Tyreek Hill facsimile is very enticing.

I would never wish bad things on players, but if a draft day video came out of Coleman or Thomas Jr. getting high in a gas mask, and they fell in the draft to a place we could get to, it wouldn't make me mad.

I think he's somewhere in between those guys and A.J. Green.

The biggest thing is that he's just so polished, so safe, and he has the bloodline/pedigree. He's a guaranteed top 3 WR IMO. Just might not ever be the WR1 of the NFL (absolutely could be though).

Yeah, I would take him on KC.

The point is the comps to other HOF players.

LMAO

Go **** yourself. Realizing that Jeudy has issues himself is not "casual fan assessment" you ****ing jerk off.

Oh he's going to be a HOF player barring injury.

Tyreek was a 5th round pick and his COD was HOF special before the draft.

Worthy isn't even Josh Downs at that and he went in the third last year.

The only way Harrison Jr. isn't the best receiver in this class, is if he spends the first 3 years of his career catching passes from Justin Fields.

The Bears have never had a 4,000 yard passer, and maybe with Harrison at WR Fields gets there, but come on, Fields absolutely sucks as a QB.

Claiming Jeudy sucks because production is the stuff that casuals do.


I know you know more than that but you are just trolling me.

Mooney sucks...oh no.

As soon as DJ Moore showed up everyone with a clue sold their Mooney stock.