He's got a fantastic head coach and QB now. Both in terms of ability (we all know what Jones is) and in terms of temperament and demeanor (Daboll may well be a good coach but he's an old school disciplinarian).

It's not surprising that he wanted out of a city that's been infected with Patriot Way for his entire career.

You know Daboll is a pain in the ass to deal with. He came into New York and anyone who didn't bow to him became an issue.

Yeah, he's a "my way or the highway" guy. He was an asshole when he worked here but then again, we were infected with Patriot Way at the time.

It's a blight on football. Everywhere they go, they bring bullshit with them.

Yeah, it definitely seems like they are a group where you better work harder than they expect or you're gone coupled with "I have square holes and I'm going to get square plugs, talent be damned."

What are you guys referring to? I don't know of any issues with Daboll in NY

It's not an issue in New York. It's his personality. He's an asshole and an authoritarian. He's the polar opposite of Andy Reid, if that makes sense.

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Hopefully not the 5'3 part of Dante Hall

I mean yeah nobody is like Andy Reid but players seemed to love him in Buffalo and they seem to love him in New York. I'm not getting that "Patriot Way" vibe from him at all.

Love this picture.
Can you imagine PM2 having the same chemistry w/ a WR as he has with Kelce? JFC, that is pure terror for the NFL.

That’s why we have JuJu

Leader of men.

For this year.

Atlanta should trade us his old college teammate Kyle Pitts

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/dra...nightmares-nfl

Yes please!

That is definitely a move that Veach should be looking to make if things get ugly there in the next couple of years.

In the, “I just want to do what’s asked of me.” video, he had a big smile throughout the interview. I’m glad we got him.

Did you... uhhh... watch the game tonight?

There is no gets ugly. That shit IS ugly.

I'm taking about the player/team relationship with Pitts.

I think he meant having chemistry as in knowing where the guy would be, but on different parts of the field than what Kelce typically works. Like Rodgers and Devante last year.

For better or worse, there are just some young players who need to be in a winning culture to succeed. Sometimes we forget this guys are coming in at ~21 years old and have been pampered most of their lives and constantly told how great they were, especially a guy as gifted as Toney.

He probably saw from the first time he practiced with Jones at QB he was going to be totally wasted in that offense and could never get properly motivated. Not saying that's a good trait, but you'll see it more and more with this new era of players. They aren't coming in with the same mindset of just appreciating being in the NFL like they used to, especially the cream of the crop. He thought he deserved better, and he probably did. Was it a great approach? You tell me, he now plays for the Chiefs with the best QB on planet Earth throwing him the ball. So I'd say he came out a winner, as did we.

Winning masks a lot of ills. Wait until the Giants face some adversity.

It really is amazing to watch the Chiefs environment in general fix issues players have elsewhere. Generally.

It's exactly like what New England had through most of their runs. We will have reclamation projects coming here to get right, and we will have veterans like JuJu and Dunlap coming here dirt cheap to try and win it all and get one last payday.

It's pretty sweet.

I will never stop being astounded by Randy Moss going from being washed on the Raiders and only getting three touchdowns to getting 23 and an undefeated regular season the next year.


That's the ceiling of what is possible on reclamation projects.

What I'm saying is, fully expect 1500 yards and 23 touchdowns from Toney next season, anything less is utter failure.

Seems like you're basing this on you hating Daboll/Patriot Way and not any real evidence.

Do you not remember what was said about him when he was here? I'm basing it off of reports from around the league about the guy.

The one year 10 years ago he was here under Romeo crennel and Scott Pioli coaching Matt Cassel? Kinda blocked that out of my memory and I wouldn't hold it against him if he was a certain way that year under those conditions. Seems like the last 4 or 5 would be more relevant.

The Falcons make no sense to me.

Insane draft capital spent on 2 very large targets w/ rare athleticism for people that size....and they don't use them. Ever.

And they refuse to acknowledge that Mariota is ass.

It's just so bizarre - use your weapons, guys. What are you doing here?

Taking Pitts when all they had was a mummy in Matt Ryan at QB was the dumbest ****ing thing imaginable.

The absolute best part of Toney is that you have a legitimate first round talent under cost control for the next two years (plus the 5th year option). When the time comes, let him walk and sign a massive deal elsewhere and you'll have actually get back a better pick than the one you gave up for him.

The big complaint about our draft this year was not getting a playmaker on offense in the first. Problem solved.

You wouldn't hold it against him if he worked in lockstep with them and acted just like Todd Haley?

LMAO

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Probably what im most looking forward to seeing Sunday: The continued development and usage of Toney.

ROFL

I see no problems here.

It's inexplicable.

And I hadn't paid much attention but I figured Mariota was at least being Alex Smith level competent. NOPE. That was a Twilight Zone Tyler Palko performance. Instead of having nothing physically, Mariota had nothing mentally. That was as bad of a QB decision making performance as I've seen. Maybe ever.

FFS, it would be better if he took the Hutard approach and shut his eyes and threw it wherever Pitts was supposed to be.

Man, Alex Smith had limitations (certainly physical ones by the time he got to us after the botched shoulder surgery in SF), but the CP dogging of the guy has never been fair.

He wasn't GOOD ENOUGH to take a team all the way, but he was still an above average QB. He was a Cousins, but we obviously needed a Mahomes.

But Mariota is in no way, by any stretch of realistic comparison anywhere near an Alex Smith.

I honestly don't remember what he did here that would make me hold anything against him other than our offense being terrible I guess. But I blame Cassel and Brady Quinn and Pioli for that mess of an offense more than I do him.

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I don't hold anything against him at all.

But I bet Kadarius Toney does and all I'm saying is that it would be, at least in part, earned.

That's the point. I was all the way wrong figuring he was playing as a competent starter. They're 4-5 FFS.

Yesterday Mariota played like a much dumber better running version of the worst iteration of Matt Cassel.

Any Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag gets no benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

The only good offense he's coached is in Buffalo with Josh Allen. If he can sustain success in NYG, he'll be well on his way. But lest not forget that the Pioli built Chiefs won 10 games before the new wore off and the dumb****ery shown through.

I don't have a dog in this fight, other than hating everything Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag, but he'll be the exception to the rule. However currently the only one that appears to be doikng that is Vrable and he only played for Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag, and may not have been initiated into the cult.

If Pitts was their BPA then I like the pick. You can't always get the QB first, sometimes you've gotta stack the roster and then get a little lucky ala Seattle circa 2012 and KC in 2017.

Pitts is a weapon, too, so ideally, by the time they get a solid QBotf in the building, he'll be running on all cylinders.

Toney "played" 2 games for him. What exactly could he have against him? That makes no sense.

and a whole offseason of practices, and every day, week in and week out in the building for a half a season.

We don't know, but something went awry there, that much is obvious.

But don't act like two games is the sum of their interaction.

If it's Toney's problem, we'll find out soon enough.

Two games? Agreed, that makes no sense.

Bumping heads since the end of January when Daboll took over? That makes a ton more sense.

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Wish someone could find the conversations we had when news first broke about the Daboll/Toney disconnect. It might be lost somewhere in the Free Agency thread, i have no idea. I think it was around OTA's when it was first reported there was a problem.

Iirc, there may be some tidbits in there that we can glean from.

I just picked him up in fantasy. Ride or die, Android Diamond Teeth!

He does have the look.

The issue is that tony doesn’t have a ton of tape from college or nfl so it’s possible he isn’t that talented. He has some weird lower body flexibility that make his moves look really cool. But teams usually hold on to really good talent despite of any issues with coaches Ect

That's your issue, not THE issue. Tony is very talented. It was not because of lack of talent that the Giants traded him.

Gotta ask ya, is that why the Giants held on to Odell?

What in the utter **** are you talking about?

Saying he doesn’t have tape from college is like saying Kim Kardashian doesn’t have any tape from inside the bedroom.

I'm glad others have already jumped on that dumb post.

It's possible he doesn't have any talent! *puts up 189 yards in one game as a rookie in a terrible offense*

forget where it was i read this but someone was saying toney is like a cheat code for reid with the success of the rest of the offense

got a feeling he's just going to be too much to handle for some teams

i bet we don't punt again this season...or not on average more than once per game for the rest of the year

Bart Scott, the Chiefs hater

nope

My favorite highlight from his college tape is the one where he shrugs off contact from some poor schlub that played for Missouri on his way to a long end zone catch-and-run call.

Don't know who that schlub was or what kind of tackler he normally is, but he wore #32. Weird number for a LB, right?

This is the only tape on Toney I could find on youtube.

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You're a cartoon sometimes ROFL No punts fir half a season ROFL

If you think Toney doesn't have any talent perhaps you haven't seen him with the latest Toney 16.1.2 update, it fixes a lot of issues that were present in the older model. The issues with leg lag have been virtually eliminated and Smile.exe is no longer corrupted.

Check your settings

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I HATE the Chiefs/Bart Scott :deevee:

never said cheat code, try again

chiefs will be reaching at least midfield on every offensive possession the rest of the year...no reason to punt from that field position...if reid finds his balls we might punt 5 times the rest of the season

All it takes is 1 3rd down drop from Valdez Turdling

those drops will come in field goal range brother

Imagine being this ****ing clueless LMAO

Toney route running is filthy good.

Kadarius Toney, 5-11/189
Wide Receiver
Florida

Kadarius Toney Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Explosive playmaker
Dynamic run-after-the-catch receiver
Constantly creates separation
Phenomenal receiver
Threat to score or rip off long gains on any touch
First-step quickness
Second-gear burst to get upfield
Good route runner
Explosive in and out of breaks
Very sudden
Natural instinctive runner
Excellent with the ball in his hands
Contact balance
Runs hard
Very elusive in the open field
Very shifty
Big-play speed
Can challenge defenses deep downfield
Good athleticism
Dangerous returner on special teams
Experienced; ready to contribute quickly
Excelled against elite competition


Weaknesses:
Durability
Short
Not a large build
Questionable ability to hold up in the NFL

Summary: Immediately after landing with Florida, Toney flashed big-play ability and looked like had the potential to be a star. During Toney's underclassmen years, the Gators' offense was held back by inconsistent quarterback play along with a weak offensive line - that dysfunction led to a coaching change. Florida was also very deep at receiver, spreading the ball around to a number of future pros. As a result, Toney did not produce much though the air as a freshman (15-152) and sophomore (25-260-1), but did run for 360 yards on 35 carries with a touchdown on the ground over those years.

Toney looked poised to explode as a junior in 2019 after a tremendous season-opener against Miami, but an injury knocked him out for the majority of the year, leaving him with just 10 catches - for 194 yards and a touchdown. Things finally fell into place for Toney in 2020, as he stayed healthy and had a talented quarterback in Kyle Trask to work with. Toney ripped off 984 yards on 70 receptions and scored 10 times. He also took 19 carries for 161 yards and another touchdown. His dynamite 2020 season led to an invitation to the Senior Bowl, where he impressed team sources with his explosive playmaking ability.

Toney is a special wide receiver who is phenomenal at creating separation to get open for his quarterback. There is no doubt he is an explosive playmaker who is a threat to rip off a long gain on any reception. Toney is a truly explosive receiver who has mismatch ability for the NFL. Cornerbacks really struggle to run with Toney, who is extremely quick on top of being extremely sudden and explosive in and out of his breaks. That leads to him easily creating separation, and when he gets the ball, he is deadly. Toney possesses natural running instincts, and he turns into a running back once he gets the ball, gaining tremendous amounts of yards after the catch with his elite explosion and elusive moves in the open field.

What really sets Toney apart is how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. He has excellent vision to weave around defenders and uses his speed to rip off yards in chunks. Along with his quick first-step, Toney has a second gear and a burst in the open field with some serious explosion. He has quick feet and cutting ability, allowing him to stop-start, stutter step, maintain contact balance, and run tough to get yards after contact. When the ball hits Toney on the run, he is a big problem for defenders because he is tough to grab in the open field with his shifty moves. Toney has enough speed to run away from defenders and take a catch the distance. Toney is superb on screens and jet sweeps to race through the defense.

Toney will bring significant versatility to the NFL. He can line up as an outside receiver and play the X - split end - to challenge teams vertically. Toney also is dangerous out of the slot and could be a tough receiver to defend on underneath routes. With his natural ability as a runner, Toney also could take some carries out of the backfield, although given his size and durability history, that role will need to be limited in the NFL. On top of his offensive skills, Toney is a dynamic returner who could contribute on special teams, but his pro team will probably use him very selectively as a returner to protect his health.

The only real concern about Toney for the next level is durability. He had injury issues prior to his senior year and is undersized. He could have issues staying healthy and avoiding getting dinged up.

From his 2020 season and Senior Bowl performance, there is no doubt that Toney is a playmaker who could contribute immediately in the NFL. He could be a Deebo Samuel- or Curtis Samuel-type weapon as a receiver, runner and returner. Toney excelled against good competition and is ready to hit the ground running as a pro. In the 2021 NFL Draft, Toney could get consideration late in the first round. If he slips to the second night of the 2021 NFL Draft, he should be among the first players to come off the board in Round 2.

Player Comparison: Deebo Samuel Toney's explosive playmaking ability and his dangerous run-after-the-catch skills remind me of Samuel coming out of South Carolina. Samuel was a high second-round pick - 36th overall - in the 2019 NFL Draft and has been a playmaker for the 49ers. Toney could go late in the first round or early in the second round during the 2021 Draft and end up as a playmaker comparable to Samuel in the NFL.

Percy Harvin. He reminds me so much of that guy

What I like about watching his college highlights is that he isn't just about speed. In fact he almost only saves his "speed burst" for when he needs it.

I also love how once he makes his decision he goes upfield and doesn't shy from contact. I love when wrs turn upfield and get to those sticks.

That Deebo comparison is interesting as well. One of my favorite offensive players.

My only concern is his durability. Dude will make plays when healthy..

Rewatched the game last night to focus on him and one one of the plays, he DESTROYS BudDupree and then continues on with his route.

I’m not sure if seen a receiver his size destroy a defender like that, except Juju murdering That dirty linebacker that scrambled ABs brain.

I’m super excited to see him tomorrow in an expanded role with Mecole out.

Can’t wait to watch this guy grow in the offense. He has a good amount of time to get more chemistry with Pat and the team. I feel a game winning play from him in the playoffs!

I like the trade but he sounded like an absolute dumbass thicko in the Franchise video.

Can you highlight what we’re supposed to be seeing/hearing Mr Racist?

Apparently I'm a racist because I pointed out that our new recruit can't string a sentence together. Are you good bruv?

Meh. He was a means QB. He was never going to put a team on his back to win games. But he could take a 6 win team and get you 8 wins or a 13 win team and get you 10.

He was so cautious it was a detriment to the offense. His focus was no turnovers.
Remember he set the 16 game schedule mark of not throwing a TD to a wr.