Damn, I actually didn't put that together yet. So if you lose, you can actually partially thank yourselves. BTW, Thank you, that excelled our trajectory.

LMAO what meme, do you even know what a meme is you bandwagon pussy?

I suspect they'll try their own 'NASCAR' package with Armstead spending quite a bit of time lined up inside. Hell, they could probably put Bosa in there some.

If they're smart, they'll try to have 3 of those 4 on the field for 2/3 of the snaps or so.

“Our defensive line is awesome!”

Yeah....you only had to ****ing suck for 5 years, spend 1st round picks on all of them and then trade a 2nd round pick for one of our 1st rounders to do it.

Congrats.

Oh shit, now you brought Jerry into it. Jerry's going to kick the crap out of Chris the next time he sees him, AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!

You know that doesn't mean anything in English, right? Just some kind of word salad . . .

You didn’t put it together because you’re a ****ing moron.

Who cares how we acquired it? It's here now. Every team uses high draft picks for good players. Welcome to the NFL. That's what it is.

We picked 27th that year, genius. We traded up to get Mahomes.

Jesus Christ.

Dude clearly knows the rest of the league. Afterall, he lives in San Diego. He's seen stuff.

Ah, weren't we like 12-4 that season before we drafted Mahomes? Went to the playoffs or something?

LOL - this guy is taking a beating in here. I'm almost feeling badly for San Diego giner

You don't get it.

He lives in San Diego.

So he's a Charger fan? Shouldn't he know our record for the last 7 years?

Yeah we used a lot of high draft picks on the defensive front 7. You can lose a lot of games with the Yorks as your owners. The most dysfunctional owners in the league. They didn't want to pay Harbaugh a raise. So the hired a bunch of bums for year after year and finally found Shanhan and Lynch and it turned around. I'm not sure how your Hunt family is? But they got to be better than the Yorks. Everybody is. Yorks just got lucky with Shanahan and Lynch and there is still easily room to mess this up. Once they want a raise and contract extension I'm sure the Yorks won't want to pay them.

And what do you have to show for being mediocre for so long? Is there a badge of honor winning the worst division in the league regularly? The fact of the matter is that we are both in the same place now.

LMAO Love that he edited it.

On offense we added Emmanuel Sanders. Added Deebo Samuel. Added Tevin Coleman. Kittle wasn’t the Kittle we know as of yet.

On defense we added Nick Bosa. We added Dee Ford. We agreed Kwon Alexander. Tartt will play this game (didn’t play last KC game). Arik Armstead is having a breakout year. Hopefully Sherman plays the entire game this time.

And that’s where I’ll be interested to see how that goes for them over a larger snap count. Truthfully, Ford shouldn’t even be in shape to play that many snaps at a high level given his previous snap counts and time missed for injury.

I can’t believe I forgot this, but I did a scouting report on Armstead this summer. Here is some stuff from my report that may or may not be prevalent to how Andy and co. see this player as well:

Now, I recognize that he seems to be an improved player. But based on MY report from 2018 film, he is not a player you want to live on the interior throughout a game.

Yeah, I wouldn't be a Chargers fan, either.

Go **** yourself, San Diego.

Our 2018 team is totally different from our 2019 team. Some of them posted here. It's a lot of turnover in personnel. No comparison. If you think you are running into the 2018 49ers boy are you in for a surprise.

Brother Rabbs, is there another place in the states you’re OK with other than KC?

Good Lord. We survived an entire week of Titantards only to be faced with two weeks of this shit.

I don't think you just stick him at the 3-tech and leave him there to die. But you bounce him in/out and have him taking turns when able w/ Bosa. Maybe have Buckner play some 0 technique to try to absorb contact (or Mitchell if/when you have to sub Buckner out).

You could do some creative substitutions where he's not in there for 30+ snaps, but maybe 15-20.

Go **** yourself, San Diego.

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Don’t worry Jimmy Boy, it’ll be over before you know it. How’s the weather out in KC?. It’s pretty cold out here in California. It got down to 52 degrees. Brrrrr.

I've lived in Chicago and East Alton IL, and Geneva NY.

I live in Columbia MO now, approx 2 hrs outside of KC on I-70.

But KC will always have a special place in my heart.

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Yes, isn't it just wonderful? Two whole weeks of Niners-trolls rolling in to tell us nothing more than what we've already heard for the last 19 weeks . . I'm so happy I could shit. Maybe I should go back to the McCoy thread and read more nonsense by Limpy . . . or I could see what dryer lint tastes like . . .

KC is a nice place. I have been there. Good food and nice people there in the Midwest. I have some relatives in the Midwest. It's a cool place. I think it is fun and beautiful area.

I watched Arizona/Seattle/Baltimore play SF and San Francisco REALLY struggled against mobile quarterbacks. We have the most mobile QB in the NFL...Seeing people talk about fearing SF's front four is laughable, just check the tape. They destroyed pocket passers and struggled against mobile QBs. KC wins big.

Well shit RR, I was born in Columbia, MO. We should be friends someday. you know, when we're not peeing on each other's legs . . .

We don't have THE most mobile QB . . . that's stretching things a fair bit. Top ten most mobile, sure.

Huh? Show me someone else being able to get outside the pocket better and avoid sacks or throw on the run better? There's no one lol

I love me some Honey Badger and Frank Clark.

Being able to throw on the run isn't really speaking about mobility.

Mobility is simply the ability to move around, elusiveness, and just run fast.

The most mobile QB is Lamar. Probably followed by Watson.

The best scrambler (QB that eventually makes a throw) is probably a tie between Wilson and Pat.

It's semantics though. Pat is one of the best scrambling QBs ever.

Wilson

The lone positive here is that fools like you will waste two weeks trolling only to get your asses handed to you in the big one. Think about it, that’s twice as long as the Titantards. Way to go Caliboy.

He’s not the fastest in a straight line, but his 20 yard shuttle is pretty much identical to Russell Wilson. Also I think he has insane natural instinct with pass rush and this helps him escape pressure much better than 99.9% of the QBs in the league. There is a lot of Fran Tarkenton in Mahomes’ scramble game, but he has much stronger arm to go with it.

Sigh...

I find it funny you 49er fans are referring to Mahomes as a 'dual threat' QB. He's a guy who has so much success throwing the ball that defenses try to double team anyone and everyone, and rather than force it, he's just started to learn to take what the defense gives him and enjoy a nice little jaunt for 15yds here and there. Please, put a spy on Mahomes so you cut down on his rushing lanes.... The Chiefs beg you.

Wilson is his best comparison, but 1/ Mahomes is so much better throwing outside of the pocket than Wilson and has receivers that make that prospect infinitely more dangerous and 2/ Wilson is regularly thinking run while Mahomes has his eyes downfield regularly thinking pass and only reverts to the run if necessary.

No one has prepared you for Patrick Mahomes, and definitely not the level that he's playing the game the last several weeks.

Ah..... We had injuries all over the field in those games. Seattle and Ravens games we were decimated with front 7 injuries, offensive line injuries and even 1st string kicker. We had a backup kicker who kicked it down the tunnel instead of through the uprights for the game winner.

Wilson and Lamar Jackson are more mobile than your QB. That's not to say your QB isn't great. He is great and I openly also say that along with you guys. Just running around he is fast but not as fast as Russell Wilson or certainly Lamar Jackson.

Like I said our team was so decimated by injuries then. It was not full strength defense. Some of those key guys are back now for the playoffs and we have been more dominant. Yes Mahomes is great but I would rather have a closer to full strength roster like now than the patch work roster backups we were playing with when we faced those 2 teams.

I agree with you. I'm not saying anything bad about Mahomes here. His elusiveness in the pocket is just amazing.

But let's be honest: he is not the pure runner of the football that Lamar is. And he doesn't have Watson's sheer athleticism. But he a much better passer on the move than any of them, except maybe Wilson. And he might still surpass Wilson; it's only his second year starting, for Pete's sake.

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In terms of avoiding pass rush, the 20 yard shuttle gives a better idea than the 40 yard dash. Wilson and Mahomes have a virtually identical 20 yard shuttle. Patrick is very difficult to sack because of this quickness. He’s not very fast in the 40 yard dash but fast enough to burn people for 5-15 yard gains on 3rd down.

You're talking to someone else, I know, but this last comment had to be push back on just a bit.

From last year to this, Dee Ford (Pro bowler) and Nick Bosa (Pro bowler) were added to the pass rush. Tartt has returned healthy and replaced Exum (out of the league most of the year). Kwan Alexander(Pro bowler) has replaced Foster. Sherman has returned to All Pro form. Malcolm Smith has been replaced by Greenlaw. Armstead was a stiff last year. This year he's a pro bowl alternate. Ward is finally healthy and he too is a pro bowl alternate. Solomon Thomas was nearly useless last year dealing with his sister's suicide, and is rejuvenated this year. Nearly half of the defense has changed, replacing journeyman / hanger on type players with pro bowler caliber players. And several others have elevated their game to pro bowl level. It is a MUCH different defense that KC will face in the Superbowl.

Yeah, we know ALL about Dee Ford, and will run right at him. You'll be lucky if he lines up on the right side of the ball...

Mahomes is elite in all aspects of the game, but I think his lack of speed will expose him against the 49ers line. Ford and Bosa are not fast per se, which is why Wilson, Murray and Jackson had success against them. They were able to run away from 49er d-linemen. But, the 49ers linemen are very quick in short area bursts 5-10 yards. It's going to be interesting.

It doesn’t bother me at all. It’s just football. Plus I made a great friend in Rabs. Hard to think I’m wasting my time.

So you're saying that your secondary is now better. Great. Better than the Patriots secondary from last year? How about better than their secondary this year?

Well, they better be. Because in 9 quarters of play Pat Mahomes put 94 points on the Patriots secondary.

So the Niners secondary should be much better than the Patriots secondary if they want to win.

He has made a fool of Khalil Mack and Von Miller. You underestimate Pat’s scrambling ability. He’s plenty quick enough to make plays against any pass rusher.

You 49ers fans are really trying to convince yourselves that you're not scared of Pat, when in reality you saw a glimpse of what he can do to you guys last year (i think it was 31-10 at one point).

You can BANK on Mahomes drawing Ford offsides in this game and getting free plays. You better hope it doesn't cost you the Super Bowl like it did us last year.

Haha, good luck.

LOL...you may be right. The 49ers' defense is vulnerable to a power running game. Their defense is extremely fast sideline to sideline and they swarm to the ball. However, their best defensive anchor on the d-line (Jones) is out for the season. The remaining players are tough, but they are tall and light and are prone to be pushed back by a physical line, particularly as the game wears on. But, I'm not sure KC has the tools to take advantage of this vulnerability.

40 speed isn’t what matters in eluding pas rushers in the pocket; short-area quickness (20-yard and shuttle) is.

Mahomes is basically identical to Wilson in that regard. They are both elite for NFL players, period,

Not sure if they are / will be better. What is better is the pass rush, by a long measure. But, if KC can give Mahomes time, he will pick apart the secondary. As a group, they are the weakest link on the defense. They just replaced Witherspoon, for example, when he gave up a long TD against Minn. Sherman, Willams and Ward are very solid in pass coverage. Mosely and Tartt are decent -> good. Will that be enough? I don't know.

I agree on the 40 yard point...that said, speed is what allows QBs to prolong plays to allow receivers to get open. 49ers sacked wilson 5 times in their first meeting...to my point that the 49ers linemen have very good short yardage quickness. But, if they couldn't get him within 5-10 yards, he'ld just scramble until a receiver came open. Don't know if Mahomes will be able to do that the same way Jackson, Murray and Wilson could.

Right, and I look at a guy like Rodgers who was incredibly good at escaping pressure in the pocket in a way similar to Mahomes at one time — and Patrick’s SS and 3C are much, much better than Rodgers’.

Do any of these "our pass rush is bestest evah" herp derpers not realize we play the AFC West twice a year?

Big Bosa, Ingram, Von, (until recently) Mack, etc?

Also... Dee Ford ROFL

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Mahomes is an extraordinary QB and you are lucky to have him. I also think he is great even from an opposing teams fan viewpoint. But Wilson is faster and more elusive than Mahomes. Lamar Jackson is track team fast. Just out of this world for QB fast. That's not to say Mahomes is not great. He is. Just not as mobile as Wilson or certainly not Lamar Jackson. He does other things as well or better than them though.

Any 49er fan who does not fear Mahomes is fooling themselves. No lead is safe with Mahomes leading KC. That said, I don't think last year's game is a good indication of anything. In another post, I listed the change over in the 49ers' defense since last year. It is a complete overhaul with pro bowlers substituting for practice squad caliber players across the board.

At the same time, Mahomes has a lot more experience too. He's not the same player either. It should be a great game. Really looking forward to it.

I think the hit on Jimmy last meeting was the only "tackle" any of our defenders made all year..

Of course, but I don't think you've seen such a dominant line across the board -- at least against the pass. They're all 1st rounders. You all know Ford's strengths and weaknesses. But Buckner's perhaps the best on that line. Armstead is having a crazy good contract year. Bosa is Bosa. I think it is one of those situations where the whole is more valuable than the sum of its parts. They are all so good at getting to the QB that when they are all playing, teams have a hard time stopping them all. You can't double team each player, and those that get one on one blocking are consistently beating their man. It really is pretty special, only enabled because SF sucked for so long and spent draft choices on d-linemen.

But....I will say that they tend to tire toward the end of games, which is when Mahomes is his most dangerous.

You can scheme around a pass rush if it's causing problems - especially if it's one player doing most of the damage. However, you can't scheme away Mahomes and all that he can do. The Niners have the much more difficult task on defense.

Granted I’m still pages and pages from the end.... Jesus, for a talk football thread it sure seems like some other shit. Here’s hoping it changes by the time I hit the end. I understand we’ve been bombarded lately but **** man....

Keep in mind the Chiefs have totally abandoned the screen pass pretty much all year. i wouldnt be shocked if Reid busts it out for the Super Bowl.

Man, Niner fans are getting annoying. They are acting like their defense is the 2000 Ravens. saying their defensive speed can match up to KC's offensive speed! haha.

Who???? The Chiefs haven’t played ANYBODY this year.

None of those teams have 2 stud DE’s, 2 stud DT’s, and a rotation of back ups like the Niners.

You have a lot of reasons to be confident, that is not one of them lol

I think it’s because it’s quite apparent that 49er fans are a lot more knowledgeable about the Chiefs than the Chiefs are of the 49ers.

I don’t think it is possible at the NFL level for Mahomes to deal with a bigger mismatch than he did in college when the Tech offensive line was completely destroyed by a LSU front 7 loaded with NFL talent. Mahomes pulled miracle stuff in that game.

Ahh... the game that sold me. After watching that one on YouTube, that was when I knew I was going to be devastated if we didn’t draft him.

Mahomes is gonna put up a ton of points - no one is saying he won’t. I think the 49ers have a good chance of keeping him in the 30’s which bodes very well for the 9ers.

49ers getting up early by 2 or 3 scores is more than possible as we all know. Then can the Chiefs stop the run enough to have enough possessions to catch up?

That's what the Packers resorted to in the second half. It worked to a degree. 49ers front 4 quickness is great. Linebacker speed is elite. Secondary? Not so much. They rely on the pass rush applying pressure early.

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LMAO

You think SF scores 40? :hmmm:

I acknowledge that they’ll get at least 24, but idk about anything around 40...

You soy boys realize KC had a better defense the second half of the year right?

How about this stat :

Last 5 regular season games the Defense averaged giving up:

49ers....29.4

Chiefs ...10.4

Here’s another troll.

This is fine of course. No context needed when it’s a chiefs fan.

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