Man, oh man ...

If it's true that Clark is conducting these coaching interviews with Pioli present, I'm both confused and disgusted. It makes absolutely no sense based on what Clark was saying yesterday ... or implying, at least.

Tricked again. I stood up for Clark. I believed what "I thought he was saying" in terms of his embarrassment and disappointment. Clearly, there's only one person responsible for this debacle and he brings him along on new coaching interviews? It makes no sense and makes me feel stupid and look worse for supporting his statements of yesterday.

There's always the possibility that Pioli has convinced Clark that the coaches haven't been forthright enough in making their personnel needs known. He may have made that argument, but I wouldn't believe it to be true. And if Clark were to buy that bullcrap, it doesn't speak well of his ability to formulate an independent thought.

Yesterday, I thought the Pioli question was all about money. Today, (if these reports are true) it looks like we're right back in the confusing mess we started out in.

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This makes be believe less in the "Clark talked to Peyton" thing. Because if Peyton Manning did tell Clark that Pioli has a terrible reputation around the league...why bring Pioli into the interview with Andy Reid? Reid won't be able to be completely honest in that interview with a pariah-like Scott Pioli in the room.

We're supposed to accept all of these negative assumptions but nothing even remotely positive could possibly be true, right?

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe

React to this possibility: Reid is head coach and pioli stays on

If I were you guys, I would be more happy about a 9 hr meeting with Reid AND his agent than mad about Pioli being there.

He is probably going to make millions even if fired.

That would have to be up to Pioli to stay if that was agreed upon. If he is nothing more than a personnel b*tch for Andy Reid that is sorta ok but how will Pioli take that? Pioli would no longer have any power... he would just be a top level personnel guy doing what Reid told him to do. We would no longer being using Pioli's system more than likely.

I want Pioli gone this second but at the same time if he does have to stay around for a year to lessen his contract issues, then so be it as long as he just another person in the building doing a job under Clark Hunt and lets say Andy Reid.

He does?

And if Clark refuses to ****ing fire him?

I still think he's gone.

And I'm still laughing at you - you guys sound like Taylor Swift.

If he's not, oh well. Doesn't matter to me, I'll be moving on.

Sucks. Stupid. Needless.

What exactly are the positives of Pioli staying on in any capacity?

Who are the other people in the meeting?

He can mail it in.

well people blame Pioli for Peyton Manning not even coming in for a visit

so yeah, why not

Pioli is good on the money side of the business?

If Reid was calling the shots on personnel and Pioli was dealing with the contracts what would be the issue?

Clark said he was leaving that up to the guys who live eat breath football. He believes Pioli does all that, if what we've been told is true.

JFC.....there has been nothing that has said that Pioli conducted the ****ing interview.....just that he was there.

Maybe Clark is making him ****ing work while he's getting everything sorted out. Just because Pioli is there doesn't mean that Hunt has had contact with the agent about Reid or that Hunt has spoken to Reid about the GM position.

And then he gets fired for cause and loses everything...

Well, if we:

1) Think Reid is a good head coach and
2) Take Clark at his word that the Head Coach determines Pioli's fate

then

1) Reid obviously saw value in keeping Pioli or
2) Reid isn't the good head coach we thought he was

Cause he did so good contractually with Bowe, Albert, and Carr?

"Scott, see that potted plant sitting in the corner? Make like it."

Did/does he want those players, Einstein?

Classic Fescoe, classic!

Check that logic out. I think some people's heads will explode when they read this...

He said the coach and GM will be on equal footing, and both report directly to him.

And you sound like htismaqe - as in WRONG AGAIN.

Dwarves face the same moral question when considering having a mole removed.

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Well that is it. Pioli is there so I doubt we will get reid. Pioli clearly has clark under his spell. He will be the gm forever and ruin our team for years to come. No qb in the first round ever. Moore, alex smith and ryan fitz will be all on our roster in camp fighting for the job.

In 2012 Morris averaged 4.8 ypc. In 2011 McGahee average 4.8 ypc. Charles is on a completely different level than those guys, averaging 6.4 ypc in 2010. The first two had success because of the running QB and the option offense. Charles had success in spite of the QB.

Any average NFL RB would be doing what Morris is doing this season or what McGahee did with Denver in 2011. Even Lance Ball averaged 4.8 ypc on nearly 100 carries.

Whether we lose one or both the Chiefs d-line is not nearly as devoid of talent as you are making it out to be. Compared to what the Cardinals have to do on their o-line, our d-line is in much better shape. Our secondary is what we need to address on defense. Not the ILB you keep brining up which is one of least positions of need on any defense.

Yeah their o-line sucks. What is your point? That it is not going to be as easy a fix as you are suggesting? No one is arguing against that a large part of their troubles are o-line but to suggest that is an easy fix and our issues are somehow much tougher is disingenuous.

And again, a premise of yours is that Whisenhunt is a good coach, with which I agree. Well why couldn't they have a better year if they supposedly have all this talent? And if the reason they didn't have a good year is because of o-line and QB, well then you are underestimating how important those things are to that team. It is either Whisenhunt isn't that good or the talent isn't clearly better than any other teams'. Either way one of your arguments is wrong, so which do you choose?

If what we've been told is true, Clark is keeping Pioli around because he put a quota on color copies and put water meters on all the toilets in Arrowhead.

There's been absolutely ZERO speculation that Clark believes Pioli eats and breathes football. ALL of the speculation is that he's keeping Pioli because Pioli has saved him a Union Pacific train full of cash.

If Pioli stays, the only guy we're gonna get to coach this shit is another puppet willing to do Piolis bidding. Pioli will be making that pick. Project DE coming up!

Then why are we keeping him to negotiate with their agents if they are wanted by Reid?


He's supposedly this egotistical ass, you guys think he would actually do this?

Clark is sooooooooo in way over his head and he is a liar! All that shit he said is worthless.

That is true Messier... Pioli still may end being here but he won't control everything. The new HC will answer to Clark Hunt... not Scott Pioli or whomever is the GM. Equal footing working hand and hand. In the end it will be the HC making the call on personnel it seems.

This.

"In charge" is a bit of a stretch from that transcript. He was basically asked if he felt that Pioli could be a part of the solution and Hunt said he hadn't ruled it out. But that it is all contingent on whichever head coach he hires.

Clark is likely doing due diligence here. He's probably got a short list of coaches he wants, and he's probably got a second short list of coaches Pioli gave him. He may end up interviewing both sets, and he'll probably go with whoever he himself has the most comfort with in a leadership capacity, rather than just some handpicked puppet that Pioli may want. I highly doubt Clark was very involved in the last two hires, especially when he said what impressed him about Romeo was that Romeo told him that he wants "to win a Super Bowl." That screams of him allowing Pioli to run the entire process last time.

My prediction: all the big names will turn us down (they also would have turned us down IMO had Pioli been fired, I just get a sense that the big names want to go to big cities or good weather cities or cities with a star QB), and we go down the Haley route and try our hand again at an ascending assistant coach, and Pioli sticks around.

I also think we are fooling ourselves if we don't think finances will come into play here, despite what Clark says. You're paying Pioli big bucks, you're still on the hook for two years of Romeo, you're on the hook for his assistants, and you're still in litigation as far as I know over whether you owe Haley the rest of his dough. I don't see a big name coach coming through that door...

If you were planning to fire someone would you bring them along to interview their potential replacement?

If he wants to keep his job and get paid, yep.

Or he could commit career suicide like you idiots are suggesting.

Or he could quit and forfeit the cash to move onto a different opportunity thats going to be no more than what he would get in KC for substantially less pay.

Okay.

Still got an obsession with me I see. That's fine, I'm sexy, smart, and funny.

I don't do cuckold thing though. You'll have to find somebody else to **** your girlfriend/wife.

Then it all comes back to keeping him on because all he cares about is money?

Time to find a new team then...

Exactly. It's just so TWISTED - STUPID.

Pioli was doing both though. Look at the guys even he couldn't screw up on evaluations. Charles comes to mind. We got a great deal on him.

Reid is interviewing for GM?

How did it work in New England? Didn't Belichick pretty much pick the players and Pioli handled contracts?

Scott: "So Andy, how's the wife and kid?"

I respect what Petro has to say 90 percent of the time.

I respect what KK has to say about 2 percent of the time.

lol

That's the prevailing speculation.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Jackson, Dorsey, Bailey, Smith and Pituatoa SUCK. Silar is garbage. I'm healthier than Kendrick Lewis and I'm 47 years old.

You can argue all you want but that doesn't change the fact that the Chiefs need a shit ton of personnel on BOTH sides of the ball before they can compete for the playoffs, especially considering there's not an RGIII or Andrew Luck or even a Cam Newton available this year.

I said it in 2009 and I'll say it again in 2013: Scott Pioli set this franchise back FIVE YEARS with the selections of Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel and it could be several more years before they're ready to compete consistently.

Of course.

Scott Pioli has abdicated his role as GM since he's now the Devil.

Jesus ****ing christ. The worst gm since matt millen gets to keep his job and people here are rationalizing it? "Well, he'll just be handling contracts"

**** this.

Funny that a few days ago it was, "Pioli can't do anything, dude is an asshole, successful at nothing"


Now we are contemplating it being ok to keep him around in any capacity?

Reid has to test Scooter's BJ skills.

Reid is not Pioli's potential replacement. Pioli is still on the payroll. Like I said....we've heard nothing about Pioli in the interview. FFS....he could've just sat there while Hunt did the interview.

Again if Pioli is here next season, it will be in a role no different than he was in New England. If that isn't true and he still runs the teams... then you can call Clark on the lie.

No - I think you're an idiot, who is full of yourself, and you prove it in times like these.

I've never said that.

I want Pioli gone, but at the same time I can see his worth and it's not in the personnel department. It's obvious, to me, that for Clark firing Pioli is the last resort. If it came down to dividing power by giving Reid personnel power and moving Pioli back into his NE role, then I'll take it, at least until the Chiefs pass on a QB with the #1 pick.

From my understanding Reid would want personnel control so basically Scott is left with ball washing duties

I'm not. I'm just not going to freak the **** out because Pioli was in an interview.

I've already stated that if Pioli is with this organization next year.....I'm not here as a fan. So it's a win/win for me. Pioli is gone and I get to be a fan. Pioli is back and my Sundays are ****ing open.

So why take him? If you are working a buyout, why take him?

It would be nice if it were our decision to make, but it's not.

So we are gonna pay him a metric **** ton of money to be a consultant?

Would this fan base accept Bill Parcells and Scott Pioli? I'm not talking about CP, I already know that answer. The fan base. Would they accept it?

So we are supposed to rationalize it and be ok with it?


**** that.

SaveOurChiefs ‏@SaveOurChiefs

Time and length of Reid interview is interesting. When Fisher was scheduled to meet with CH and SP last year they blocked out 4 hrs.

Because of Justin Medlock, basically.

Yep, you're a teenage girl.

Call me crazy, but this tweet could be interpreted that he's STILL meeting with them.

Dorsey will be plenty good in Tampa next season.

I could interpret that from that tweet.

No, let's all act all butthurt instead.

Seriously, if you can't rationalize it and be ok with it, why are you here? If you can't have any hope, what reason is there to continue to be a fan?

Isn't has past tense?

That's fine, but the team will still have a GM even if the coach makes most of the decisions. RIght now Pioli is still part of management, that's probably why he's there with Hunt and four others, but we knew that two days ago.

I would expected more people dodging sky, that's for sure.

Personally, I don't see a single positive in having Pioli attend any coaching interviews ... if, that is, if Clark was sincere about saying "he" was going to hire the coach. Were I the Chiefs owner, I'd bring along a couple of football guys and my Visa card and that's it. The last thing I'd consider is hauling along the epitome of GM incompetence.

I have no doubt that the NFL "club" has discussed Pioli extensively over the course of this season. And knowing what I do, I have little doubt that his new nickname in NFL circles is "The Sicilian Matt Millian".

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Then why did we have SOC this year?

We had 5 probowlers we should have kept hope.

This.

I don't want anything to do with Andy Reid but if they are going to spend 9 hours with the guy I would hope they get him signed, sealed and delivered.

Mort said he was on a plane to AZ around 4pm