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kozzman555 04-13-2024 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17480251)
I feel this way about AD Mitchell's tape. He ran a fast 40, but even admits he never runs full speed in the game.

I was high on Mitchell and Legette until i started watching plays where they didn't get the ball/their number wasn't called. Legette especially had some reeeaallly low effort plays, but Mitchell was up there too. That "laziness" scares me. I don't know how you fix that. It's like catching. Either you know how to catch the ball by now or you don't. Either you know how to buckle down and work hard or you don't. Giving them millions of dollars isn't going to motivate them to suddenly put in 100% effort. I think we see a lot of busts from this WR draft between Rds 1 and 2 if teams aren't looking at this and just drafting off combine numbers or potential. I think some Rd 3 and later guys like Burton and Cowing, and McCaffrey have a better shot to ball out than guys like Worthy who is MVS lite IMHO.

Nightfyre 04-13-2024 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kozzman555 (Post 17480257)
I was high on Mitchell and Legette until i started watching plays where they didn't get the ball/their number wasn't called. Legette especially had some reeeaallly low effort plays, but Mitchell was up there too. That "laziness" scares me. I don't know how you fix that. It's like catching. Either you know how to catch the ball by now or you don't. Either you know how to buckle down and work hard or you don't. Giving them millions of dollars isn't going to motivate them to suddenly put in 100% effort. I think we see a lot of busts from this WR draft between Rds 1 and 2 if teams aren't looking at this and just drafting off combine numbers or potential. I think some Rd 3 and later guys like Burton and Cowing, and McCaffrey have a better shot to ball out than guys like Worthy who is MVS lite IMHO.

I think this is a Texas thing. I wonder if they are coaching it? The offense is so gimmicky - its built on half field reads so only half the field even matters. If the read is on your side, I think they are supposed to wear out the corners by taking those boys down the field over and over again. Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, the receivers are jogging half-assed routes. It's weird - but universal to the Texas players.

Couch-Potato 04-13-2024 08:54 AM

In their defense I would admit that WR runs a lot of routes during the game, I doubt I could run a full sprint 40 right now without throwing up lol

Dunerdr 04-13-2024 09:05 AM

Mod socks and I talked about it several pages back. ADs tape on plays where he doesn’t get the ball is so bad. It almost has to be coaching.

bigjosh 04-13-2024 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17476948)
Here are Dane Brugler's top 25 WR rankings from The Beast. He's not a big fan of Worthy it seems.

1. MARVIN HARRISON JR. Ohio State 1st
2. MALIK NABERS LSU 1st
3. ROME ODUNZE Washington 1st
4. BRIAN THOMAS JR. LSU 1st
5. LADD MCCONKEY Georgia 1st-2nd
6. ADONAI MITCHELL Texas 1st-2nd
7. KEON COLEMAN Florida State 2nd
8. ROMAN WILSON Michigan 2nd
9. RICKY PEARSALL Florida 2nd-3rd
10. XAVIER WORTHY Texas 2nd-3rd
11. MALACHI CORLEY Western Kentucky 2nd-3rd
12. TROY FRANKLIN Oregon 2nd-3rd
13. JA’LYNN POLK Washington 3rd
14. XAVIER LEGETTE South Carolina 3rd
15. MALIK WASHINGTON Virginia 3rd
16. DEVONTEZ WALKER North Carolina 3rd-4th
17. JERMAINE BURTON Alabama 3rd-4th
18. BRENDEN RICE USC 3rd-4th
19. JALEN MCMILLAN Washington 3rd-4th
20. JAVON BAKER UCF 4th
21. JACOB COWING Arizona 4th
22. JOHNNY WILSON Florida State 4th-5th
23. JHA’QUAN JACKSON Tulane 5th
24. ANTHONY GOULD Oregon State 5th
25. LUKE MCCAFFREY Rice 5th


Worthy, franklin and legette are rated way too low, respectively.


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MahomesMagic 04-13-2024 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 17480369)
Worthy, franklin and legette are rated way too low, respectively.


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Depends who you ask.

The analytics guys on Twitter love Worthy and Franklin but Jeremiah was an actual NFL scout and Brugler is one of the top amateurs and their rankings are pretty much what I laid out a while ago.

Bowser 04-13-2024 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 17480369)
Worthy, franklin and legette are rated way too low, respectively.


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Yeah, if Franklin is sitting there at the end of the second round, they'd have to take him regardless of if they took a receiver in the first round. No way does he last that long.

staylor26 04-13-2024 11:36 AM

Jeremiah has Worthy at 35 and Franklin at 41st overall. Not really comparable to where Brugler has them.

And this idea that it's just analytics guys that like Worthy and Franklin is nothing more than a narrative.

MahomesMagic 04-13-2024 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17480466)
Jeremiah has Worthy at 35 and Franklin at 41st overall. Not really comparable to where Brugler has them.

And this idea that it's just analytics guys that like Worthy and Franklin is nothing more than a narrative.

I was told that placing Franklin in the 2nd was crazy by CP.

kcbubb 04-13-2024 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17422830)
I'm watching Keshawn right now say "You can't have a team of choir boys and expect to win in pro football. You gotta have a little edge out there."

That’s hogwash. Plenty of guys have that competitive edge and stay out of trouble.

MahomesMagic 04-13-2024 12:07 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Easily the two most difficult prospects to settle on ranking in this year&#39;s WR class: Troy Franklin and Xavier Legette.<br><br>How I feel changes game-to-game and shoot, sometimes route-to-route. And ultimately, I could feel dramatically different about their outlook depending on where…</p>&mdash; Matt Harmon (@MattHarmon_BYB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/1778786214855798909?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Either but Franklin makes more sense bc he’s an outside coverage beater. Neither is a clear round 1 player imo</p>&mdash; Matt Harmon (@MattHarmon_BYB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/1778791753115422937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">big outside receiver you dont need to line up at X to run crossing routes? that can make sense</p>&mdash; Matt Harmon (@MattHarmon_BYB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/1778787489672499347?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 04-13-2024 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17480486)
I was told that placing Franklin in the 2nd was crazy by CP.

Post a single person that said you putting him in the 2nd specifically is "crazy".

I'll wait...

staylor26 04-13-2024 12:23 PM

"Neither is a clear round 1 player"

Yea, basically anybody you take at 32 won't be you butt****ing moron.

You realize there are significantly less than 32 1st round grades in every draft, correct?

MahomesMagic 04-13-2024 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17480513)
Post a single person that said you putting him in the 2nd specifically is "crazy".

I'll wait...

I'm not going to waste my time searching posts but that is exactly how I was treated for stating I thought Worthy and Franklin were 2nd rounders.

You are revising history.

RunKC 04-13-2024 12:51 PM

The big question we should be asking ourselves is how much disparity is there between the late 1st rd WR’s like McConkey, Franklin and Worthy and guys like Tez Walker?

Bc Tez Walker is a guy with high upside that was a weapon in college and could be really high potential here. He’s not my favorite but he’s undoubtedly a high ceiling player who could win the way DK Metcalf does downfield.

And for the life of me I don’t get the 3rd rd grade for Jalen McMillan. That guy is ****ing good. He’s a football player who knows how to get open. He knows how to vary routes and he knows how to find the open space.

Don’t care that he ran a 4.47. Tank Dell ran a 4.49 and had the same skills and the guy was amazing last year.


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