Ok. Just remember that literal analogy, though. You want control of the ball. Trust me, if you're the one doing all the talking, the ball isn't in your court. Keep her talking....you learn more. Like someone said, if she's interested in you, she'll ask.

Aw, man. I knew that one!

hahahahaha.

a date is never set until you both actually show up. you still have 1000 hurdles to go before you get close.

It's not misrepresenting yourself or being someone you're not - it's self-improvement. Improving interpersonal skills does not mean being fake. You've been working out and changing your health/look - does that mean you're misrepresenting yourself? No, you're working on self-improvement. You can improve in ways other than just physically.

good now tell as to how it relates to the virgin

Alright then, what should I do?

I thought you weren't asking for advice

Well, our resident adonis has convinced me I'm doing it all wrong in just trying to be myself. So I'm all ears.

One thing that I do notice that others touched on is that you thoroughly dominate the conversation, and not allowing her to express herself.

bfett81:Ever heard of Bobby Bell?
(20 minutes later) Mysweetbaboo:hello sorry wasn't around
bfett81:no prob, busy with work anyway
bfett81:just saw you online when i sat down
Mysweetbaboo:bobby bell? sounds kind of familiar
bfett81:really? lol
Mysweetbaboo:kind of couldn't say anything else about it
Mysweetbaboo:who is that/
bfett81:ex football player
bfett81:hall of famer
bfett81:as they say, "he's kind of a big deal"
bfett81:anyway, just very cool that he's joining our podcast this year as a weekly guest
bfett81:major coup for us
Mysweetbaboo:that's good
bfett81:he was part of the chiefs' super bowl winning team in 1970
bfett81:he' like a kansas city legend
Mysweetbaboo:great. that's probably why it's familiar but nothing further than familiarity haha
bfett81:i think you said you didn't really like football but thought you might have heard the name
Mysweetbaboo:yep
Mysweetbaboo:i have family that is into all that stuff
bfett81:the guy was actually a physical freak for the time...he was enormous and fast
bfett81:could probably play today
bfett81:if he was younger, of course
Mysweetbaboo:hmm
Mysweetbaboo:When did he retire?
bfett81:but you don't like football...so i'll shut up lol
bfett81:1980ish
bfett81:1963-74
Mysweetbaboo:so yeah before I was born
Mysweetbaboo: :-P
bfett81:well now you know about bobby bell
bfett81:impress all your friends
Mysweetbaboo:oh yes they will be oh so impressed
bfett81:"say, do you know about super-bowl champion and NFL Hall of Famer bobby bell?"
bfett81:"i know a guy who know someone who knows him"
bfett81:"yeah, he's kind of a big deal"
Mysweetbaboo:haha they'd be like oh one of those things
Mysweetbaboo:i know a guy who knows a guy that knew a guy that knows him
bfett81:he's 68 though...and living off his past....must be nice
bfett81:he opened a BBQ join in KC after he retired
bfett81:cha-ching
Mysweetbaboo:yep sounds like a good deal
bfett81:lol for him anyway
bfett81:KC is famous for BBQ, dunno if you knew that
bfett81:"it's kind of a big deal"
Mysweetbaboo:yeah i know nothing
bfett81:oh dear
bfett81:i didn't mean to imply that
bfett81: :-\
Mysweetbaboo:no no wasn't saying that you did
bfett81:it's funny, because KC is like
bfett81:literally
bfett81:football and BBQ
bfett81:and nothing else
Mysweetbaboo:woo sounds like my kind of town
bfett81:oh yeah, you should move
Mysweetbaboo:definitely
Mysweetbaboo:i'm on the next plane out
bfett81:and take your classes on field trips to arthur bryant's
bfett81:to sample their dry rub and burnt ends
Mysweetbaboo:eww please no
Mysweetbaboo:that just sounds unsanitary
bfett81:today for show and tell, little bobby has a rack of baby back ribs
Mysweetbaboo:so I'm thinking I'm going to go to bed
Mysweetbaboo:I wasn't even planning on getting on tonight cause I'm so tired but I did
bfett81:that's cool, i'm not terminally ill or nothing
bfett81:you got on? just for ME? :-*
Mysweetbaboo:well that's good...
Mysweetbaboo:ha
Mysweetbaboo:yes just for you
bfett81:go to bed then...i'm just working
bfett81:get some shuteye
bfett81:hit the sack
Mysweetbaboo: :-)
bfett81:catch some Z's
bfett81:saw some logs
Mysweetbaboo:it sounds like a wonderful idea to me
Mysweetbaboo:and I like to say...
Mysweetbaboo:dream of strawberries
bfett81:mmmm
bfett81:'n cream
Mysweetbaboo:it means good things when you dream of strawberries
Mysweetbaboo:so that's what i'm going to go do
bfett81:alrighty
bfett81:have a good night, L
bfett81: :-D
Mysweetbaboo:you too sir
Mysweetbaboo:finish up your work!
Mysweetbaboo:then rest
bfett81:ill try
Mysweetbaboo:alright
Mysweetbaboo:well I'll talk to you later
bfett81:go to bed!
bfett81: :-)
Mysweetbaboo:bye
bfett81:night


for example Okay you were excited about getting Bobby Bell, but should've kept it short and sweet. Then you should've focused the conversation on what's happening with her. then the discourse continues ( joke around a bit) then when she loosens up ask her the direct question about meeting up. If you haven't buttered her up enough to get her to go then cut bait. Right now you are running in circles.

LOL

Dude, you haven't chatted with this chick. She's not very expressive. I have to keep talking or she won't.

She's already expressed trepidation about meeting up with someone she barely knows, because I asked her point blank to go for a drink, and even suggested a couple places. This one's gonna take some time. I'm fine with that.

Alright, how many times do you contact her?

LOL, i knew that....

Geez, Mr. GoChiefs. These Planeteers are right. You need some advice. That's the first Bobby Bell pick up approach I've ever seen. No wonder it didn't work. Football players like Bobby Bell don't exactly scream "romance". You should have gone with Buck Buchanan.

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A woman who won't talk is a priceless treasure. Almost as good as one who can't talk.

Of all the boxes the fair sex possesses
There is but one that always distresses
If I had my choice
I'd remove the voice
But keep the ones under the dresses

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