You love to completely ignore any facts that don't back you up

Hadn't played football in a year, gets off the couch/trainers table, shows up here and gets what was it, 2 whole practices before starting against a division rival?

He got royally screwed, the team owes it to themselves and him to take another look in better circumstances

I feel for Humphries on some level.

ACLs are always real hard a big guy. They’re never going to get back to peak in the first year, if they ever do.

6/9 seasons he missed significant games. Four knee injuries that ended his season. A back injury as well. **** any notion of bringing him back, as a long term starter or as a bridge. He's old, broken down, and apparently lazy as **** to boot.

Maybe it's not a coincidence that the guy who was inactive his entire rookie season for being lazy as **** is constantly getting injured?

They say Cam Robinson is the top LT in FA. I'm sure he's better than Thuney at LT but surely we can do better.

Unless it’s a healthy Ronnie Stanley, Andy better just wrap his mind around whoever the LT is will need a lot more ****ing help than he’d like to give and just do that.

Idc who really at this point, that’s what it is.

Would've been nice to have that revelation before week 2 last year.

What’s more maddening is the rationale they give is, “we want as many people in the route, as quick as possible”

When I swear we gave up more lousy first down completions on check and releases to TEs/RBs than anything all year. Defenses just forget to account for them.

What the **** do you want them to do dude? You have 3 options here:

1. Pay a flawed veteran. Flawed bc of their subpar play or bc they can’t ever stay healthy.

2. Draft a project and deal with said projects struggles

3. Trade significant resources to move up to the teens to get one of the top LT prospects and weaken the team as a whole due to trading valuable assets.

They pick at the end of the rd every year and there are never anything but flawed band-aids in FA. They’ve tried 1 and 2. Want them to try option 3 now?

Seriously what the **** do you want them to do?

I mean, the post you're responding to was about the team leaving Kingsley out to die against Hendrickson. I dunno, maybe don't do that with our next project.

Right but even so, that does not mean Kingsley isnt a LT. It was one game.

He is still a fantastic prospect with Elite traits. A decent vet at LT while he learns is our most likely direction at this point.

I'm changing my mind on who I want as a FA get at LT...

Jaylon Moore (SF, 27, 6'5" 315, Western Michigan)

He's been sitting behind Silverback and has looked good whenever he's touched the field.

Low cost, definite competition for Suamataia.

**** all these other brokedick wonders.

That's it. That's my dude. Fire away.

I'm cool with it. Niners are really going to roll with the expensive husk of Silverdick over this young guy, though?

OK **** YOU

OK well maybe

Well, he's a UFA so if he gets an offer he can't refuse he's going to move on I'd think.

I guess the Whiners are waiting to see if Williams comes back for another season. They probably hope they can squeeze one more out of him else they will wait to announce his retirement until after June 1 or he'll cost them a fortune on this year's cap.

Add in that the 49ers might be lucky enough to get Simmons picking at #11...

LoL. :D

He started Week 11 through Week 15 for SF... @ GB, @ BUF, v CHI, v LAR, and @ MIA if you guys want to forge an opinion.

That's Veach-like thought process. I can dig it.

Me, personally, I'm not taking a project OT at all in this draft. The reason: We already have TWO. I mean, they're projects, you have to give them time. What are we going to do with three?

And you're absolutely right, this is a good weapons draft. We need some juice at RB. We could use a TE if Kelce hangs it up. Another WR is never a bad idea.

And we need some defensive reinforcements-namely, a DT to put next to Jonesy and this is a GREAT draft for that, too.

So yeah, I'm on the 'pick an option in FA and roll with it while you develop your two projects' train.

Hasn’t he done well in run blocking?

Indeed.

He's got the lower body to drive block. That's why SNR and I both kind of feel like if you're moving one of Kingsley or Morris to OG, Morris is the best physical fit.

If anyone cares, here’s what PFF says about him:

74.9 overall (25th out of 141 tackles)
159 pass block snaps
1 sack allowed
10 pressures
0 penalties

Sassy Squatch is this years Mahomes Magic. Way to pass the alpha absolute shit for solutions torch.

I like this... good pull/idea.

Without watching any live moving tape at all yet, Jaylon Moore’s build reminds me a lot of Kingsley.

If this is the guy, Veach will get him. :clap:

2 penalties in 827 career snaps

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorJa04.htm

Nice find. These are the kind of guys our FO needs to be studying right now.

rolling into the season with Kingsley as the starter..and lasting two games gives pause..
even with Thuney in your back pocket

my only pause with this guy would be the offensive system he comes from

Shanahan's scheme is so run based...would he fit here? Teams don't play SF like they play us.

LT is such a crap shoot...do we roll 7 again?

The ****? Just because I don't want them to burn any more cap on that absolutely useless broke dick bum Humpback? Do I need to post a constant reminder of what I want them to do or something?

1. Sign Alaric Jackson. Pivot to Robinson if he's not available.

2. Regardless of how 1 pans out, trade up for Josh Simmons if he ends up sliding into the 20s.

3. Depending on how his market pans out, sign Jedrick Wills to see if there's anything salvageable there.

Because we're going to be running out of OL to start real quick in that OL room. LT right now is a giant ? and assuming they don't re sign Trey Smith (which I'm really hoping they don't) you've got two spots to be filled immediately, and barring extensions Thuney is a FA and Taylor is a potential cap casualty in 2026.

**** yeah!

Target Acquired. Let's Go!

49ers are kinda screwed contract wise with Silverback. Looking at a dead cap of 35M

God Damn. Didn't realize it's still be that brutal.

LMAO I guess Veach DID do that to them though hitting that bid button as many times as he did.

They’ve drafted a handful of linemen in the last two drafts alone. The coaches must develop the talent Veach hands them.

What a ****ing disaster the cap would be with the fourth highest paid center, two of the highest paid guards, highest paid right tackle. They have to let Smith go.

2nd to Philly in void year usage. They’re gonna be paying for Trent Williams void years soon. Same with Deebo.

I am so glad we don’t go overboard doing that stupid shit

I looked at his contract a couple weeks again thinking you might be able to acquire him for a one year fix, but that contract is a non starter.

Those bitches get to pay Purdy, too

They won a SB with Donovan Smith being “okay”. They lost 2 SB’s with their LT getting the living shit beat out them at a historic rate.

A LT that is “okay” would be more the enough.

UM, no!

Alex Smith made the point of the night after the game.

“He was out there by himself tonight”

And he ****ing was. Kelce played the worst game I’ve ever seen him play, the OL played historically bad again in the SB, our RB’s did nothing, we dropped passes. These old, washed players couldn’t get open and make plays.

This offseason needs to be about Patrick Mahomes. Surround this guy with young explosive weapons and do your damndest to get a passable LT somewhere.

This wasn’t Tom Brady with 50 TD’s, 5k yards with Randy Moss and Wes Welker getting his neck stepped on all game. This offense had real problems all year long the must be addressed.

I really despise this conversation considering Mahomes was a big part of taking these pieces of shit to the SB in the first place

Their run is over

It really has me wondering, even during the actual Superbowl, how the Chiefs would have fared with Donovan Smith at LT and Thuney back to LG. When they brought in Humphries, I ALSO wanted them to bring in Donovan Smith as tactical depth and competition, and it turned out Humphries was rusty/out of shape/coming off injury. Smith would have been out of shape as well but he was NOT coming off an injury, I also don't think he would have cost a lot at that point of the season to bring in for a look. Even with an average LT like Smith, the Chiefs offense is so much more capable, we probably would have had a chance of winning. Chiefs also need a very capable Blocking TE, for the moments when the opposing pass rush gets too spicy. We won a SB w/ a rookie WR as #1 and MVS/Mecole, Pat just needs some confidence in his line and a second or two longer to throw.

This organization has gotten far too comfortable using Mahomes as a crutch instead of as motivation to put the best possible team around him. I think they've realized that as much as anyone after what they just put him through in the Super Bowl. They should be ashamed, and I'm sure they are.

I'd be utterly shocked if the Chiefs aren't paying out one of the top 3 free agent contracts to a LT come the signing period. Not going to claim I know who it'll be, and it very well could end up being a Dan Moore or Garrett Bolles. If it is, I'll rejoice in glory because we have drastically upgraded the LT position. I don't care who they decide on, just get them in here.

Agree, the upside and floor for Morris is a good guard, barely passable to shitty tackle. Kingsley's upside is a good tackle, to his floor which is also a shitty tackle. Develop the one that has a higher ceiling and try the other one at guard.

There’s an opportunity cost to every move NFL teams make.

The Chiefs invested big on the IOL, which mostly has worked.

The Defense cost Mahomes a Super Bowl when he had his best offense in 2018. That’s mostly been fixed with a huge investment at all levels.

We’ve seen the Chiefs draft a WR in the top 2 rounds in last 3 drafts. 2 are home runs and 1 is a dud. Chiefs have also made several smaller moves at WR too.

It’s hard to blame the team for Mahomes ending Rice’s season. That alone would’ve been a major addition.

So really, I think there’s 1 key spot that the Chiefs haven’t done enough: LT. Which, to be fair, hasn’t stopped the Chiefs from going to the last 3 Super Bowls and winning 2 of them. That’s the greatest 3 year run in NFL history.

This take is bullshit.

The team isn't using Mahomes as a crutch or not trying to put the best team around him. It has been investing its resources in the best way it can to put the best team around him that it can.

This isn't Madden. There are limits to what you can spend, and you can only acquire the players you have shots at/can afford, and you can't make teams engage with you.

When Hill wanted more money than they could handle while keeping a good team around Mahomes, they moved him, and then took the best players they could (and made an aggressive trade-up to get one of those players). This led to a team with a strong IOL and defense. They had the best 3-year run in NFL history behind that team.

They've spent the resources where they can. I think they will spend big at LT in cash or picks or numbers to get it addressed. This isn't a team sitting around on status quo by any means. But the best use of resources might be a smaller move at LT and upgrades elsewhere in the roster, and that's just reality.

And they invested big on the IOL because their attempt to sign Trent Williams didn't land, and their attempt to keep Orlando Brown, Jr. as their franchise LT was unsuccessful.

Their attempt to land a FA who fixes LT for a long period of time might not land, either. It won't mean they've failed or are complacent or using Mahomes as a crutch.

Definitely is an opportunity cost to whatever you do, I’ll say though, if we’re really good in the trenches on both sides, with Mahomes that version of the team is always going to have a great shot.

If you can hang on the OL and DL against all possible opponents, we’re going to be cream of the crop. With cornerstone pieces already in place at WR and DB, it just makes all the sense in the world for Veach to go hard after bigs this spring. I’m not sure he could possibly add to many OL + DL.

If I’m BV right now…. I want to

- Sign Bolton and put LB away as a pressing need
- Bring back Brown at WR to put that position away as a pressing need
- Sign a veteran LT, whether it’s sure starter or someone to compete with Kingsley if they believe he’s still LTOTF
- Sign a couple DL who can at least sure up the depth before draft night

You do that, you can go into the draft and let the board come to you with a high degree of likelihood that you’re going to be plucking off BPAs at positions of need either right now or ones that will be big needs next spring.

Could come away with DT, OL, CB, RB, DE and be stocked for not just ‘25 but beyond as this ‘22 class prepares to break up.

If you want to bitch about the team being irresponsible with OL, I would direct that ire towards them shrugging their shoulders and saying "Next man up" to Caliendo.

The Chiefs wanted to develop young guys at tackle. No shame in that. But they should have done the same at guard after Allegretti left, and they assumed an undrafted guy from a couple years ago who had never really shown anything was good enough.

If they were going to play crash post nobodies at LG when moving over Thuney, then they should have rolled with one of their rookies. Nourzad or somebody else.

Draft and Develop is the natural mantra of CP. Well.....this is what you get with that. Shit happens.

I agree with all of that. It’s all reasonable and well within Veach’s means.

I don’t love paying Bolton, but I also don’t want to go back to the pre-Bolton days. Again, opportunity cost. If you put resources somewhere besides LB, expect LB to be worse.

Could be totally different if we had a Jaden Hicks level player waiting in the wings at LB. But not only do we not, also Tranquill needs to be more consistent or he may not even be back in 2026.

I don’t think Bolton can get enough money on the open market to make us give him an astronomically bad contract so I’ll assume he sticks around and then we don’t have to worry about LB this summer unless it’s far and away a BPA.

I agree.

They drafted Bolton a year early, which made the transition pretty seamless the following year.

Just hoping for a reasonable number and a way out.

Look, I think Wanya will be a very good guard. His problem at LT is with speed rushers, and he won't have to defend the edge at guard and has run-blocking power.

He's a solid replacement for Smith.

The only issue I found with Moore in watching him is that he's a bit slow-footed and thus concedes his outside shoulder a bit, especially against speedier edges. When he loses that matchup though, he tends to do well riding the arc. It's kind of on the QB at that point to step up into the vacated area. As long as you have a solid LG next to him he seems passable. He anchors well against power. He generates good push on down blocks and gets to the second level well in the run game. Honestly, he looks like a potential stud LG if he was ever moved there. I think he'd be good competition and is a guy you could move over when Thuney is gone if he doesn't win at LT. I wouldn't hesitate to sign the guy.

If you like him, that’s plenty good for me…
Let’s kick those tires

I assume that's what we'll do. Slightly overpay Bolton, let Reid walk, as well as try and fail to sign Smith. There really aren't any LT's in free agency and the one solid guy has missed time every year outside of this year. Throwing big Free agent LT money at him is probably not very likely.

Veach has done an excellent job with the draft and I assume he will this year as well. He needs to...

If you can get him cheap-ish and he solidifies the spot for a few years, that’s a Super Bowl winning move. That will bring another Lombardi to KC in his time.

Veach is gonna cook

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs can restructure Mahomes (like every other year) and immediately have $38M in cap space. <br><br>If they extend Thuney and Kelce retires, they’d have roughly $70M and almost no dead money. <a href="https://t.co/B2YGXxny2N">https://t.co/B2YGXxny2N</a></p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1891632400280478036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This reeruned Bills fan mentions they can restructure Mahomes but that is "kicking the can down the road ".


What in the world does he think his Buffalo GM has been doing the last 4 years?!

Honestly, the “that’s kicking the can down the road” narrative is getting really tired. This isn’t the same as putting the groceries on your credit card. The cap is going up exponentially. The Eagles just dominated us in the SB after leveraging these tactics. Capitalize now, I don’t care what happens after Mahomes!

Yeah, his contract was written to kick the can down the road when we want, if we want. It even includes absorption years in 2028 and 2029. This Bills fan is full idiot

It's technically true but the issue is he thinks this is unique to KC.


No team with a QB making 50+ million is not pushing cap down the road right now.

Guys…. That Bills idiot is just yet another reason why if you’re still wasting time on that site, you should think long and hard about not.

It's the natural mantra of the NFL.

If you're not doing that, you're not going to have sustained success.

And despite all of the handwringing and doomsday talk, KC has been the best at this for years now.

Sometimes we need to look in the mirror.

This line should have been good enough.

It is the highest paid line in football and said to be the best interior line in football. Taylor is a slightly above avg RT. Even if LT is the problem....it is on the staff to run a scheme and protections to minimize that deficiency.

Has he? Currently the hit rate doesn’t look great past 22.

2023 : FAU, Rice, Wayna Morris, Chamarri Conner, BJ Thomas, Keondre Coburn, Nic Jones (who’s no longer on the team)

2024 : Xavier Worthy, Kingsley Suamataia, Jared Wiley, Jaden Hicks, Hunter Nourzad, Kamal Hadden, and C.J. Hanson

Idk. Those drafts don’t seem great to me, but maybe I’m expecting too much? And now Peach’s right hand man (Borgonzi) is gone. No telling how our scouting and drafting will be. 2022 draft seems like an anomaly now.

Keondre Coburn didn't even make it to out of training camp IIRC.

No one's heard a peep about BJ Thompson.

FAU might develop into a serviceable depth piece, but the odds of him being any more than that seem slim.

Maybe Wanya can make a good guard?

Chamarri is fine for where he was picked.

Hopefully Kingsley can at least be an above average guard.

Other than Worthy and Hicks the rest of '24 is incomplete.

2023 is pretty meh so far, but 2024 looks good.

Worthy was fantastic. Hicks is going to be a stud. Nourzad looked good in the week 18 game. I really think Kingsley is a solid starting G at worst, but he has to prove it. Also looked good week 18.

If all 2023 gives us is a stud top 10 WR in Rashee Rice, that's not too bad for Veach's "worst" draft the last few years.

You, and many others, definitely babe unrealistic expectations when it comes to the draft, especially when you're picking at the end of every single ****ing round.

Wrong.

The Carson Wentz resulted in them getting Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and Cooper DeJean. That’s what built this team.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs backup QB Carson Wentz has an indirect role in helping to assemble the roster that will try to prevent Kansas City from three repeating today. The Eagles traded Wentz to the Colts for a 2021 3rd-round pick and conditional 2022 1st-round pick.<br> <br>The Eagles then used that… <a href="https://t.co/P1zGYJOND4">pic.twitter.com/P1zGYJOND4</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1888653305284337809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You're playing with house money any time you get anything beyond a special teamer beyond the 4th round. The meat and potatoes come from 1-4. You better be hitting on those more often than not and 1st and 2nd round picks need to be starters in year two. If they aren't, you better have hit on one of those filler picks to make up for it.

Now I'm looking at the taters...
2023 :
Felix Anudike-Uzomah - Certainly hasn't shown to be worth a 1st and is marginal depth at best. Not a good look for a first-rounder and no hidden gem late will supplement this pick.
Rashee Rice - Looks like a stud but the character/off-field stuff is concerning. I'm holding out hope that this past offseason puts his life in perspective for him and he straightens up and becomes what he's capable of.
Wayna Morris - Has been a solid rotational OT that we've gotten starter to play out of but was pretty banged up this year. He looks better at RT than LT. He'll start somewhere on this line soon.
Chamarri Conner - He's been serviceable but definitely lacking as a nickel. I think he's better as a free safety but Cook is far better. I never liked this particular pick but I can't bitch too much about a 4th rounder getting a lot of meaningful snaps for a team that went to the SB.

2024:
Xavier Worthy - Definitely looks like a homerun pick at this point.
Kingsley Suamataia - Was raw and it's just too early to know. I think he's going to find a home somewhere on the line and become a starter, he's flashed some real good along with the real bad.
Jared Wiley - The injury really sucked for him. The lack of reps in the offense though was more concerning pre-injury. He has an athletic profile and was productive in college. I think we have to withhold judgment. If you get a contributor out of him next season at some point, you're going somewhere.
Jaden Hicks - Looks like a really good one in the making. He had higher grades from pundits than where he was drafted. If you were to swap him and Kingsley's draft position, no one would probably bat an eye. He'll start in 2025.
For note, I do think Nourzad is going to be a quality depth piece. He played solidly in Week 18.

I think you are. Compare him to other GM's. When you compare how many of his draft picks and UDFA's contribute to this team he's highly successful.

He took a hard stance but did the right thing and paid Jones what he was worth. He's been active adding depth to this team as the year goes on. He doesn't just sit on his hands after the draft either.

Howie Roseman is a wheeler and dealer. He drafts well and makes great trades. This Eagles team, unlike the 2017 team that won the SB, is built for the long haul.

The Jags signed Walker Little to a reasonable contract in early December. One they could trade him if the new coach and GM want to go a different direction at the position. Picking 5th in the draft, they could have their choice of the tackles if they wanted.

So question. Would Walker Little be worth the phone call to the Jags to see where they stand?

Walker Littles contract:

https://overthecap.com/player/walker-little/9509

Click the trade pre June 1st option.