You voted for the Chiefs and Royals to leave the area. Not really sure what you’re doing on a Chiefs message board.

reerun who's spent years bitching about Veach telling someone that they shouldn't be posting on a Chief's message board. LMAO

^ Central Missouri IQ on full display. No that vote wasn't about the teams "moving"

A “no” vote was a vote to open up the possibility of the teams moving.

If the teams staying was a priority to you then you would’ve voted yes. But since you voted no you’re obviously comfortable with the idea of them leaving.

They’re going to get public money somewhere, and Kansas Citians are going to be taxed on something, no matter what. So all anyone who voted no really did was told the teams that they’re ok with them leaving.

You can keep telling yourself otherwise, but that’s the reality.

Then why did they even ask us? You are underestimating the impact of what happened.

If they wanted to leave they would have waited closer to when the leases expire and make a deal elsewhere. The vote had nothing to do with them leaving despite whatever some conspiracy theoriest from FL, a guy in Iowa, or central Missouri want to say.

Sucks there’s so many poor people in the Midwest. Wasn’t this adding like $40/year to taxes or even less?

But as soon as the deal is sealed they prolly regress to 4A ball... You know, "SMALL MARKET (!!!!) needs to count on catching lightening in a bottle"...

I would pay $40 a year to not have a ****ing baseball stadium built where they proposed.

Hey shithead.....what happened to the Phx Coyotes

It wasn't adding anything. It's the same tax that's been paid for decades.

Dozens of people are heartbroken over that. Dozens!

jk, it's not that many.

I don't know, please tell me about something no one cares about.

The Royals are pretty much a poverty franchise in play and spending so they’re just playing to their fanbase ya know

Keep bumpin ya gums and B Willie will use your bones to build a stadium

People keep saying that, but nothing in the ballot initiative referred to any specific plans:

Even if it had passed, they could have moved forward with dramatically different plans without any public vote on changes. I certainly understand that people voted with their visions in mind, but that's not what the actual vote was about.

That's why I don't get why people think this will go back to Jackson County for a second vote - the plans weren't technically part of this vote, so it doesn't make sense they'd just do it again with different plans presented. The only thing that makes some sense is the idea of splitting out the Chiefs and Royals rather than lumping them together.

They made a crappy proposal, you must be fun in negotiations, "OMG they made a thinly veiled threat about something that could happen, better bend over and take it."

Maybe putting a hockey team in Arizona wasn't the best idea...and that team and city have had a ton of problems for years.

I don't get why outsiders think we should have simply handed over $2B of our tax dollars when you admit outright that they asked for this money without providing us any plans for how it was supposed to work.

That was a big part of the reason why many people voted NO. The Royals did a very poor job of giving any kind of details about specifics. There basically weren't any. There was no community benefits agreement made. They simply wanted a blank check.

Because they aren't paying for it

It's easy to say that when you don't have to pay the tax and you can use said stadiums.

That's like going "ya'll are idiots for voting this down, even though I don't have to pay for it and can benefit from it, you should still pay for it."

It’s because they have zero ties to KC outside of the sports teams and didn’t follow this entire process as it was being very very poorly pitched from all angles. The royals would have got what they asked for if they kept it in the east village and/or communicated at better than a 2nd grade level the entire time.

If you actually paid attention from the beginning you would understand why this vote failed. If you jumped in a month before the vote you say things like 3/8ths cent! And Midwest poor lol!

It's a sales tax. Anyone who comes to the stadium and buys anything is paying for it. It's not like it is an icrease to real estate taxes just for Jackson County residents. Be for or against the continuation of this tax, I don't really give a shit, but don't act like Jackson County voters are the only ones paying the tax and don't act like it is a huge burden on any taxpayers.

You still pay far more if you live in that county, it's not like someone from Johnson county is buy their ****ing groceries in Jackson county.

Technically doesn't matter. Talk with locals. The plans were very much a part of the vote.

We want to do this. Well, we might do that. Shit that won't work, maybe we'll do this. Damn you're mad, we'll do this instead. Look at these pictures! Shit, people are really pissed now. We'll leave that street. Maybe we can do this instead. This went on right up to the day of the vote. It was pure ignorance. The owner's perceived IQ and trustworthiness declined nearly every time he spoke about anything having to do with the stadium plans.

The Chiefs probably had no interest in doing so, but he'd have been better off letting them take the point while shutting up and sending his wife on a months long vacation without access to social media. A picture of a new stadium design with a "we hope to relocate to downtown at some point in the future" would have prevented him from now being ranked right up there with Frank White on the totem pole of city losers.

The idiot simply couldn't read the room's "post property tax debacle" mood.

It is very clear that Sherman is a complete dipshit after this debacle. So something concrete did come out of this whole process

Just imagine the Chiefs meeting directly after the Royals/Chiefs meeting where Clark Hunt realized what kind of an idiot he was paired with. He comes off as such a scripted dork most of the time, but I'd bet he had some entertaining comments.

Jackson County voters would pay more. I get it you hillbillies in BFE like to free load ( ethanol, schools, etc) but we arent paying for your shit this time

Nothing tops having your wife go all butthurt on facebook after it.

I find that a person who purchased the team a couple years ago is already wanting a new stadium and for all intents and purposes threatening to move the team, or at least his wife running her mouth, and it comes across as very Major Leagueish and I don't think you're going to win many fans that way, but that likely wasn't ever the case and this was the intention you wanted from the get go. Doesn't matter where the team is in your mind, as long as you can make the most money off it, you'll Baltimore Ravens a great franchise so you get what you want. It's a problem when rich people buy things you care about, they can tear it apart right in front of you just as easily.

If the Chiefs separate themselves from the Royals and ask for money for renovations, even if they were the same lazy plans, it'd probably pass. Tying themselves to John Sherman is not a good strategy or look.

Jackson county voters are paying the majority of the tax because it applies to our daily lives. Not simply visits to the stadium that outsiders might make a handful of times per year. Residents are paying that tax every single day and it applies to the majority of what we purchase.

Sherman has better plans than Clark and was going to put up like 3x the money Clark did

And paying 38 cents for every $100 sale was going to break people? What exactly would people have been ok with paying if it meant keeping the teams in the city?

It's still under $100/year for a Jackson County resident and in most cases well under that amount. Anyone who is against it just needs to stop using the amount of money being asked for as an excuse for voting "no."

It was a terrible proposal was it not?

Fish, the money is inconsequential to the overwhelming majority of Jackson County voters. Stop referring to the money as a reason to vote "no."

Sure, it lacked details and some assurances (at least from what I have read.) Voting "no" because you didn't like the proposal or had issues with the location of the downtown ballpark is fine. Mentioning the money as a reason to vote "no" is just lazy.

$2B in taxpayer money is not inconsequential by any measure. Especially considering us taxpayers would have had zero input on how any of that amount was to be spent.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were going to have to write a personal check for 2 billion dollars. How much say do you have on where your other tax dollars are being spent? Do you help set any of the county's budgets?

Stop telling people how to spend their money Queen

Do Jackson county residents get any discounts on tickets/Parking or merchandise inside the stadium?

Yes, we typically vote often on how our tax dollars are to be spent. Just last November, our county had a vote regarding a use tax for online out of state purchases. We rejected that one too.

Also voted last year to approve a 3/8th cent tax to fund the public bus system.

That's just a couple I can remember from last year. So, yes this is typical for Jackson county voters deciding how to spend our taxes.

I'm not. That's why I asked how much would have been ok for you guys. Clearly 3/8 of a cent tax was too much. What would have worked for you?

Sure, but this implies that it wouldn't have been a blank check even if they'd presented you with the best plan you ever could have hoped for. Nothing in their designs was binding - they could have gotten the vote and then done something entirely different.

They gave designs to give people an idea of what they were hoping for, but THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU VOTED ON. You voted on a tax that would go into place if they signed a contract to stay in the county - that's it. And you voted against it. Period.

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No but we do get to stand in line for X amount of tickets the Chiefs pre-release

Cool. Gotcha.

Yeah and if you go out and get $250 in groceries you know how much tax would be added to the bill for the stadiums?

94 cents. That's all.

Maybe some kind of discount would help? Would people be more inclined to vote yes for free parking? % off tickets? Maybe a updated tailgating area for JAckson county residents?

In your opinion. Others would disagree. Lets just start with something simple like only one of the organizations was discussing removing locally owned businesses from the community. That alone is enough for many to be ok with the Chiefs proposal and against the Royals proposal.

On the other hand, a weak proposal from the Chiefs is the easiest way to get separation from a boat anchor. I could be convinced this is exactly what happened after Clark realized what he was paired with.

I personally have never really understood why it was put up as a single ballot initiative, other than hoping the Dynasty could pull the boat anchor across the finish line. If one of the teams wanted to leave the TSC and the other was proposing to stay, it makes sense to handle each individually based on their own plans and the returns the area may see from each of them.

That's not exactly true. The local groups negotiating with the Royals/Chiefs and their proposed Community Benefits Agreement were actually very clearly detailed with regards to financial commitments in specific areas. This was discussed locally a great deal, although for some reason it didn't get much media attention. They Royals/Chiefs and these local groups went round and round over this for a long time but never could come to much agreement. The Royals/Chiefs finally made an official proposal at the very last minute, only days before the vote. But it was still drastically lacking in any actual detail.

If you're curious, here's a good article about it:

The Royals’ new Community Benefits Agreement lacks one important element: the community benefits

The CBA is exactly the vessel that should provide the binding details that voters needed. It's a vital component of any successful publicly funded stadium. The Royals simply failed to commit to the requests of the community.

That's much more about their financial contributions than the actual development plans, no? Or am I missing that somewhere?

It sounds like you're talking about the Chiefs.

Last I knew, the Royals couldn't even get most of the private parking providers in the proposed area to offer the team a discount.

Which locally owned businesses there are you fighting for to keep that's more valuable than having a stadium and having a team in town?

You'd think that area would be crowded with consumers the way people talk about the businesses there. But it's mainly always dead. I guess I underestimate how much people love Temptations

Your use of Temptations slides you into the column of people who get ignored in these conversations.

I personally didn't have ties to any specific business within the footprint. I was surprised by how many people seemed to rank this really high on their list of concerns, but I could easily lean to understanding their view as I often personally despise how domain gets used today. Especially when it's obviously being abused.

There's also something to be said for removing locally owned business that nearly always get replaced with chain store brands owned by an investor group in these types of deals. Using tax dollars to cause a business replacement that leads to exporting profits from the community to some investment group just doesn't sit well with many people.

Did they line out a plan for the 3/8th cent tax for the public bus system? Where all the dollars were going? What brand of buses would be purchased and with what safety features? Future increases in pay for bus drivers? Updated maintenance schedules for buses to ensure they kept running? Increases in bus routes due to increased funding?

I think the Royals handled the communication of things horribly right to the very end, but to be fair to my knowledge they've never once threatened to move anywhere but the KC area. Even Sherman's wife going off on Facebook was just a rant about Frank White and Jackson County.

All this hype about them moving is coming from fans, which isn't realistic because it's not just Sherman, the Royals have a huge ownership group and almost all of them are KC locals with big money. The Chiefs have the ownership group that lives in Texas and have basically become an international brand with Mahomes and Kelce and Taylor Swift. They can do literally anything they want at this point and no one can stop them.

I don't think either team is moving though. They didn't do a good job here but you also have to realize Frank White fought them uphill every bit of the way. I 100% think they're going to make an attempt to build new stadiums in the KC area with government agencies that are on their side and actively trying to help them come up with and sell a better plan. I think the vote wasn't for the teams to move, but I think it was the end of the Truman Sports Complex.

I realize you're being a hyperbolic idiot. But yes, they provided detailed specifics like how much of the budget the tax would cover and what types of services would be added. Most importantly, detailing exactly what the tax funds would be allowed to be spent on. Unlike the Royals.

https://ridekc.org/news/bus-tax-nov-7-2023

It's funny that your link didn't provide any of that information and it had the scare tactic that "if not approved, there will be a significant decline in services." I guess using scare tactics is only bad when it comes to MLB and NFL teams.

You seem to be forgetting that vote back in 2006 when Jackson county voters approved a 3/8th cent tax for maintenance of Truman Sports complex for our MLB and NFL teams. And surely forgetting how a version of that one was initially rejected as well.

Maybe Jackson County voters don't mind a 3/8th cent sales tax as long as the financial details are provided and we're shown what the funds can and cannot be spent on.

These days, the Royals. They didn't prove they were committed to winning and getting results before they asked for a cash cow, so the people of JACO don't care about them (as the vote showed).

They spent more money than almost anyone not named the Dodgers this offseason and gave their star player a 14 year contract.

Good for them. Only took them almost another decade to get serious about winning again.

Here's what the Royals are battling with JACO voters other than the above.

Most people love Kauffman Stadium and don't see any reason for it to change....yet.

The Royals want it downtown because it's around more people/businesses etc. They want a piece of that downtown pie.

They just didn't have any plan, didn't even know the location. How do you expect people to vote yes to something as big a deal as building a downtown stadium and not have any real clear plan, no transparency etc?

Royals should've been more prepared.

Fish tool Wolf to school yikes

This is it.

What even happened to the East Village spot?

So maybe they should wait 2-3 years and prove that they'll keep it up. We've had other BWJrs around here so they need to stack the team with proven top-shelf pitchers and "could go yard with any swing" hitters, compete for the ALCS for 2-3 years, then ask for a handout. Beyond that the people of JACO aren't falling for their bullshit in a league where pitching and hitting is king.

They were going on about some MODOT bullshit and the highway that would be next to it. A total bullshit excuse given what was being considered.

What? They had a plan and a location. You can say that the plan wasn't good but they had all the things you say they didn't.

The whole, "Well the teams' didn't have a plan / half-assed" thing is a cop-out.

Let's not make this about the Chiefs, this is 100% about the Royals. Hell it's disgusting that the Chiefs considered being part and party to the Royals trying to scam the JACO residents with a team that isn't worth extending a mere 3/8ths cents sales tax to keep.

The bottom line is the Royals are proven losers year over year and they picked a bad year to try and blackmail the citizens of JACO.

The next time you are right about anything will be the first time. It’s OK Billay. If the Royals build a downtown stadium, I’m sure they’ll move the George Brett statue so you can still give homeless guys blowjobs next to it for $.50 a turn in order to afford your next bottle of Ripple.

Oh shut up, Billay. It's not like that. There are no opposing sides here. Just offseason BS. I have a great deal of respect for LoneWolf.

This is a loooong story (too long for me to copy and paste) that is worth the read. Talks about KC's current situation, but also has lots of details on stadium financing, economics, and how the Ballpark Village is doing and its impact on surrounding areas.

As Cardinals Plan to Seek More Public Money for Busch Stadium, Experts Balk

You think I'm pussy? I dare you to stick your dick in this

Ha I was the only one in here saying the city would likely step up and finance the stadium after No won. All the townies were talking about how the teams are moving lmao

Jesus Christ man.

We went to St. Louis over the twins' spring break and stayed at the Hilton at the ballpark.

Downtown St. Louis has some advantages I wish we had here (Namely, the Metrolink, which is fast, clean, and easy to use. But there's also a really cool ****ing NATIONAL PARK). But that downtown is a real dead zone.

It is fundamentally different from Kansas City in that St. Louis has not been able to keep businesses and people living in and around the revitalized areas.

There are a lot of factors in that, among them a more intense city/suburb divide in St. Louis because of the suburbs being in their own county.

The reputation for St. Louis city and the area around the ballpark is much worse than the rep for, say, Power and Light or the area around the T-Mobile Center. Which is really unwarranted. I felt perfectly safe walking to and from the hotel to the parking garage, we walked to the Arch and the MetroLink station, and I walked about 3/4 of a mile to a grocery store one afternoon, and never once felt uneasy or unsafe.

My colleagues from St. Louis all warned me about how terrible and dangerous the whole area was, though. Typical suburban fear of the city, but to the extreme, seems to permeate the area. My wife's friends from there were aghast at what we had done and couldn't believe we hadn't been murdered or something.

I’ve been working in the area since December and it’s much, much more dangerous than you think. Game day? Yea, you’re good.

Non game days? Just like the guy who owns the “luxury apartment” overlooking the stadium, he doesn’t venture out.

Also, that was a helluva great article that showed the Battery in Atlanta is just another boondoggle.