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Mooney Worthy Man that sounds fun. And you don’t have to spend a lot to do it. So explosive. |
Xavier Worthy checks a lot of boxes. He's got some positional versatility.
He's a deep threat, but unlike MVS, he can actually make guys miss after the catch. He has ball-tracking ability to make 30-yard catches without falling down (an MVS specialty). He's a dangerous punt returner and might be the best in this class. He's twitchy enough to use on gadget plays like we do with Hardman/Toney. I like him as a complimentary fit with the Chiefs and could see him as the Round 1 pick or as a trade-up in Round 2 if we address a different position in Round 1. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy during the 2023 season.<br><br>247 - wide <br>150 - slot<br>37.7 slot %<br>62.1 wide %<br><br>463 YAC<br>6.9 YAC/REC<br><br>2.31 YPRR<br>10.3 ADOT<br>11 MTF<br><br>6.9 DRP%<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/Y2u9j9knd7">pic.twitter.com/Y2u9j9knd7</a></p>— Nick Penticoff (@NickPenticoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickPenticoff/status/1760829880453775763?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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But is he an Alpha?
That's important shit. |
Yea, a lot of people are going to be turned off by Worthy because they'll see him and think he's a gadget guy in this offense.
Don't get me wrong, Worthy is absolutely perfect for the jet sweep stuff, the screens, etc., but he has much more actual WR chops than a guy like Hardman or even Toney. |
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And he's going to have size/physicality issues at his release so he's gonna either have to be given space or he's going to have to make it through that inefficient movement that messes with timing. It's not that I don't think his strengths will play here. It's that I wonder if he doesn't have the worst sort of warts for us. |
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Devontez Walker Jermaine Burton Jalynn Polk Ricky pearsall McMillan is really high on my list for 2nd round targets. I don’t know much about devontez walker? And what about these 3rd round targets. Brenden Rice Maybe Jermaine Burton falls to the 3rd round? Xavier legette - does he fall this far if he blows up the combine? 4th round What about BUB MEANS, WR PITT? Anyone watched this guy? Pitt Panthers wide receiver Bub Means is a physical specimen. Means attended the East-West Shrine Bowl, where he provided verified measurements of 6-foot and 222 pounds. Means also possesses hands larger than 10 inches and arms longer than 33 inches. Means was a big-play threat this season, averaging 17.6 yards per catch (41 receptions) with 721 yards and six touchdowns. A former defensive back at Tennessee and receiver at Louisiana Tech, Means is expected to run in the low-to-mid 4.3s with a vertical jump that approaches or surpasses 40 inches. https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024...-2024-wr-draft Johnny Wilson? Our pick in the 4th is after all the comp picks.. 6’6” with 4.4 speed, 36” vertical, 36” arms and 10” hands are unreal. Crazy to me that he can’t catch the ball but he’s a project with a super high ceiling. |
I don't have Tez as likely to be available for us in the 2nd. If he did, he'd be ahead of McMillan.
Pearsall, Burton and Polk aren't guys I'd want until the 3rd. The character flags around Burton have spooked me off him and Pearsall/Polk are both just guys I haven't talked myself into in the 2nd but could probably find a way to do so if that's the pick we make. None of them are likely to be Skyy Moore situations where I just hate it. |
Worthy can be your Desean Jackson to Rice's Maclin.
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I just have this gut feeling that we will be absolutely enamored with him. |
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I just can't see us being 'enamored' with anyone likely to be available at 32. And frankly, I surely hope we aren't. None of them are THAT good. They're all varying degrees of solid in different ways. |
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Some homeruns there. Franklin, Burton and Pearsall on the list.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">P5 WRs at a 58% catch rate or better on targets 10+ yards downfield since 2019 Draft (100+ tgts)<br><br>- AJ Brown<br>- Justin Jefferson<br>- CeeDee Lamb<br>- DeVonta Smith<br>- Isaiah Hodgins<br>- Jerry Jeudy<br>- Garrett Wilson<br>- Chris Olave<br>- Troy Franklin<br>- Jermaine Burton<br>- Ricky Pearsall<br><br>Via PFF</p>— Football Insights 📊 (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1762346132921872621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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I don't think the Chiefs are gonna draft a deep threat like Worthy. I think they'll cut MVS and make it a priority to get a vet FA like Mooney. We can all agree that Andy/Patrick don't want a rookie taking a top spot.
With teams playing cover 2 99% of the time, I don't think the speed threats will be as valuable from the draft. I want a route runner. Who is the closest person that can give us anything in the same universe as this? <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DJqkesUHg0E?si=d_C6TdZTIOJpigFy" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> Get Patrick a route running fiend and we feast |
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The theory checks out, but can he actually do it against NFL cornerbacks? And I don't know that he was ever really asked to work zones and do the 'clever' shit that we're going to want from a Z receiver (and presumably that's how you'd try to use him if he's a 1st rounder). I just think the smaller guys are better in theory than practice. They start to get whacked around and knocked off their route and suddenly what they SHOULD be able to do becomes pretty damn hard for them to actually do it on time. It's the Skyy Moore lesson again. And Moore isn't even a weight problem (he's built well enough) his was a contact balance problem and a little bit of a length/brains issue. Trying to project smaller/slighter WRs into every part of the field is a pretty risky proposition. Some of the things they did to be successful in those areas of the field don't work in timing offenses and against longer, stronger, faster DBs. Physicality is an underrated component for all but the most athletic WRs. And yes, Worthy is athletic. Does he reach the threshhold level of physicality to put that to use? Well I guess that's the million dollar question, innit? |
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I wouldn't be shocked to see McConkey in rd 2 tbh. He is a very good route runner with size. He's down the list for me though.
It would also be naive to ignore Corley as a realistic option if he runs well this week. Andy is predicated on YAC and that guy is ****ing good at YAC. I think we should be looking for someone who represented what they thought they were getting in Skyy. |
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He's a Sophomore tape guy. He flashed when at full gallop this year but the soph tape really should tell you a lot. I really think a healthy season puts him in 1st round consideration and I'd be elated to get him at 64. |
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When I, and I assume you and most people, say we like this player or that player, we are saying so with the idea that our assessment depends on that player being drafted by the Chiefs, and coached by Reid and his staff. When players we like get drafted to teams that have no idea how TF to coach or run an organization, that player's poor performance may be all about the team. If it's an offensive skill position player, and they end up playing with say, a Danny Dimes, or a rookie QB, etc. how can we expect the results to be anything but disappointing? |
Worthy is going to get a good long look by the Chiefs, he looks like someone they'd be really in on, so if we pass it's for reason.
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But is he an Alpha? No, he is not. ;) |
I think I like Mitchell more than Franklin. Staylor will hate me.
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Based on their history....I think worthy and Franklin fit more.
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He can run fast down the field as a decoy so we can throw 8 more sideways passes. |
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Defenses are adamant that they absolutely will not give up the deep ball to us under any circumstances. They want Patrick having 8-12 play drives malign him impatient with the opportunity of someone else like a WR or OL making a mistake. That's the only way they've stalled him in his career. That's certainly not changing. That's why I think a lower cost guy like Mooney with Hardman as the depth option makes sense. Feels like they want to get back to destroying teams in the intermediate level of the field again like they did in 2022 when they had around 4.5 air yards avg per completion. |
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Even a Darius Slayton for 5 million would do the vertical decoy stretch stuff that Franklin is supposed to achieve. |
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Teams didn't take away the deep stuff this year. We didn't have guys catch it iwhen it was there. |
Again, like Worthy, Franklin isn't just a vertical threat. They can operate at every level of the field.
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This idea that Franklin is just a vertical guy is overblown.
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I like Thomas a lot more than Franklin as a Vertical #2.
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Brian Thomas probably isn't making it to our pick.
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The Hardman deep ball was one of them. The safety trying to take away an angle from Kelce then shifting to the deep ball and then loses the ball. That's all it takes man. And that's a throw a lot of QB's don't even attempt. If you're a DC with any level of competency, you're playing cover 2 100% of the time unless you need a key blitz play or two....and you never want either of your safeties with their back turned to the QB or it's over. Cover 2 with 2 guys deep and everything in front of them is the standard against us <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/I6Qi_0nbE_o?si=5Q62htT77Him36N2" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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Nabers Harrison Jr Odunze Mitchell Thomas Jr If none of those guys are available (I would probably want to move ahead of Baltimore so Monken doesn't grab Adonai) I would not want another WR in the 1st with our pick. |
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The speed is an added bonus for me |
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If you have the guys that can run thru cover 2, they can't slow you down with it. |
I love Odunze but that ain't happening either.
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The Ravens going back to back WR's in the first. Why would they want Mitchell?
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And Worthy is tiny, tiny. |
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Adonai as the #1 and Flowers then gets even easier matchups.... Would be deadly. And they can't pay OBJ again. Their OC recruited Adonai. He knows him and his talent. |
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And they aren't in the same universe as WR's. |
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So see, it all worked out! |
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He's bigger than Flowers, but is small?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The entire thesis of this episode is that if the Chiefs get him we're all ****ed btw</p>— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1762532416608981146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
He was also a big CEH to KC guy. That's weird.
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Well, good for Kollmann that he got a player right for once.
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All jokes aside, I like Adonai, and I'd be fine with him at 32.
Just not my preference :shrug: |
Worthy listed at 172 lbs. Lets see what he actually weighs in at Indy.
Looks frail. |
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He's also 6'1 and 20 years old.
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The argument is where. You mentioned preference. I would not draft a tiny slot with a 1st or 2nd round pick. |
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Y'know, like 48 hours before the Chiefs said "**** that guy, he's a moron" and traded Tyreek Hill. But my point remains, the way to beat the Cover 2 isn't to throw under it. It's to challenge it vertically.
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Which is to say I'm still stubbornly clinging to an idea I developed before we won 2 Super Bowls by doing pretty much the exact opposite of it.
GIVE ME MY DOWNFIELD 11 PERSONNEL, DAMMIT! I KNOW BALL! |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Troy Franklin during the 2023 season:<br><br>3.55 YPRR<br>4.02 YPRR vs. MAN<br>3.21 YPRR vs. ZONE<br>526 YAC<br>6.8 YAC/REC<br>13.0 ADOT<br>13 MTF<br>16.8% - SLOT<br>82.5% WIDE<br><br>Subscribe for more player cut-ups: <a href="https://t.co/AjbSJGlUPG">https://t.co/AjbSJGlUPG</a><br><br>Below is Franklin vs. UNC in ‘22. <a href="https://t.co/zIm6IxlMVr">pic.twitter.com/zIm6IxlMVr</a></p>— Nick Penticoff (@NickPenticoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickPenticoff/status/1761042936777605264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Here you can watch Franklin do way more stuff than just run deep. |
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I preferred Flowers and Addison to Q Johnson. Q just wasn't that good. |
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LMAO |
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