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pugsnotdrugs19 02-27-2024 08:06 AM

Rice
Mooney
Worthy

Man that sounds fun. And you don’t have to spend a lot to do it. So explosive.

wachashi 02-27-2024 09:21 AM

Xavier Worthy checks a lot of boxes. He's got some positional versatility.

He's a deep threat, but unlike MVS, he can actually make guys miss after the catch.

He has ball-tracking ability to make 30-yard catches without falling down (an MVS specialty).

He's a dangerous punt returner and might be the best in this class.

He's twitchy enough to use on gadget plays like we do with Hardman/Toney.

I like him as a complimentary fit with the Chiefs and could see him as the Round 1 pick or as a trade-up in Round 2 if we address a different position in Round 1.

wachashi 02-27-2024 10:04 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy during the 2023 season.<br><br>247 - wide <br>150 - slot<br>37.7 slot %<br>62.1 wide %<br><br>463 YAC<br>6.9 YAC/REC<br><br>2.31 YPRR<br>10.3 ADOT<br>11 MTF<br><br>6.9 DRP%<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/Y2u9j9knd7">pic.twitter.com/Y2u9j9knd7</a></p>&mdash; Nick Penticoff (@NickPenticoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickPenticoff/status/1760829880453775763?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 10:09 AM

But is he an Alpha?

That's important shit.

staylor26 02-27-2024 10:11 AM

Yea, a lot of people are going to be turned off by Worthy because they'll see him and think he's a gadget guy in this offense.

Don't get me wrong, Worthy is absolutely perfect for the jet sweep stuff, the screens, etc., but he has much more actual WR chops than a guy like Hardman or even Toney.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17418960)
Yea, a lot of people are going to be turned off by Worthy because they'll see him and think he's a gadget guy in this offense.

Don't get me wrong, Worthy is absolutely perfect for the jet sweep stuff, the screens, etc., but he has much more actual WR chops than a guy like Hardman.

My worry is that if you squint there's a little Toney in how he plays. Some of those concentration issues in contested catch situations could sure seem to turn into those deflection interceptions on him.

And he's going to have size/physicality issues at his release so he's gonna either have to be given space or he's going to have to make it through that inefficient movement that messes with timing.

It's not that I don't think his strengths will play here. It's that I wonder if he doesn't have the worst sort of warts for us.

kcbubb 02-27-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17417749)
Mcmillan. Romeo Wilson would be my fallback.

What about these guys in the 2nd?

Devontez Walker
Jermaine Burton
Jalynn Polk
Ricky pearsall

McMillan is really high on my list for 2nd round targets. I don’t know much about devontez walker?

And what about these 3rd round targets.

Brenden Rice
Maybe Jermaine Burton falls to the 3rd round?
Xavier legette - does he fall this far if he blows up the combine?

4th round

What about BUB MEANS, WR PITT? Anyone watched this guy?

Pitt Panthers wide receiver Bub Means is a physical specimen. Means attended the East-West Shrine Bowl, where he provided verified measurements of 6-foot and 222 pounds. Means also possesses hands larger than 10 inches and arms longer than 33 inches.

Means was a big-play threat this season, averaging 17.6 yards per catch (41 receptions) with 721 yards and six touchdowns. A former defensive back at Tennessee and receiver at Louisiana Tech, Means is expected to run in the low-to-mid 4.3s with a vertical jump that approaches or surpasses 40 inches.

https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024...-2024-wr-draft

Johnny Wilson? Our pick in the 4th is after all the comp picks.. 6’6” with 4.4 speed, 36” vertical, 36” arms and 10” hands are unreal. Crazy to me that he can’t catch the ball but he’s a project with a super high ceiling.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 10:20 AM

I don't have Tez as likely to be available for us in the 2nd. If he did, he'd be ahead of McMillan.

Pearsall, Burton and Polk aren't guys I'd want until the 3rd. The character flags around Burton have spooked me off him and Pearsall/Polk are both just guys I haven't talked myself into in the 2nd but could probably find a way to do so if that's the pick we make.

None of them are likely to be Skyy Moore situations where I just hate it.

O.city 02-27-2024 10:24 AM

Worthy can be your Desean Jackson to Rice's Maclin.

staylor26 02-27-2024 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17418971)
My worry is that if you squint there's a little Toney in how he plays. Some of those concentration issues in contested catch situations could sure seem to turn into those deflection interceptions on him.

And he's going to have size/physicality issues at his release so he's gonna either have to be given space or he's going to have to make it through that inefficient movement that messes with timing.

It's not that I don't think his strengths will play here. It's that I wonder if he doesn't have the worst sort of warts for us.

Those are legit concerns, and it's why he's probably not my clear-cut BPA at 32 in most scenarios.

I just have this gut feeling that we will be absolutely enamored with him.

O.city 02-27-2024 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17418988)
Those are legit concerns, and it's why he's probably not my clear-cut BPA at 32 in most scenarios.

I just have this gut feeling that we will be absolutely enamored with him.

Maybe it's just gas?

Palangi 02-27-2024 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17418971)
My worry is that if you squint there's a little Toney in how he plays. Some of those concentration issues in contested catch situations could sure seem to turn into those deflection interceptions on him.

And he's going to have size/physicality issues at his release so he's gonna either have to be given space or he's going to have to make it through that inefficient movement that messes with timing.

It's not that I don't think his strengths will play here. It's that I wonder if he doesn't have the worst sort of warts for us.

Some of those drop issues have been discussed. Apparently he played with a broken hand last year that affected him

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17418988)
Those are legit concerns, and it's why he's probably not my clear-cut BPA at 32 in most scenarios.

I just have this gut feeling that we will be absolutely enamored with him.

I just keep seeing guys I like better. I just don't know why I shouldn't prefer Walker or even McMillan to him. They just seem more varied in how they can win. And if I have Hardman or a reasonable facsimile to him (or Davis or Mooney) do I really need Worthy?

I just can't see us being 'enamored' with anyone likely to be available at 32. And frankly, I surely hope we aren't. None of them are THAT good. They're all varying degrees of solid in different ways.

Mecca 02-27-2024 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17418988)
Those are legit concerns, and it's why he's probably not my clear-cut BPA at 32 in most scenarios.

I just have this gut feeling that we will be absolutely enamored with him.

I'm sure they will be, the idea they can get the gadget stuff from an actual WR probably makes them think they can fill 2 positions in 1.

Abba-Dabba 02-27-2024 10:38 AM

Some homeruns there. Franklin, Burton and Pearsall on the list.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">P5 WRs at a 58% catch rate or better on targets 10+ yards downfield since 2019 Draft (100+ tgts)<br><br>- AJ Brown<br>- Justin Jefferson<br>- CeeDee Lamb<br>- DeVonta Smith<br>- Isaiah Hodgins<br>- Jerry Jeudy<br>- Garrett Wilson<br>- Chris Olave<br>- Troy Franklin<br>- Jermaine Burton<br>- Ricky Pearsall<br><br>Via PFF</p>&mdash; Football Insights 📊 (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1762346132921872621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kcbubb 02-27-2024 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17418997)

I just can't see us being 'enamored' with anyone likely to be available at 32. And frankly, I surely hope we aren't. None of them are THAT good. They're all varying degrees of solid in different ways.

Agreed. The value for me at wr in this draft is at about 50, which would be perfect to trade sneed for a pick in that range. One of the top guys has to fall to 50. Trade sneed for pick 50 and take the best available wr with that pick. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these guys happen to fall. As you’ve pointed out, all of them have a hole or two in their game and it’s gonna be a matter of preference.

staylor26 02-27-2024 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 17419006)
Some homeruns there. Franklin, Burton and Pearsall on the list.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">P5 WRs at a 58% catch rate or better on targets 10+ yards downfield since 2019 Draft (100+ tgts)<br><br>- AJ Brown<br>- Justin Jefferson<br>- CeeDee Lamb<br>- DeVonta Smith<br>- Isaiah Hodgins<br>- Jerry Jeudy<br>- Garrett Wilson<br>- Chris Olave<br>- Troy Franklin<br>- Jermaine Burton<br>- Ricky Pearsall<br><br>Via PFF</p>&mdash; Football Insights 📊 (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1762346132921872621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Troy Franklin always seems to be in great company with this stuff.

raybec 4 02-27-2024 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17418979)
I don't have Tez as likely to be available for us in the 2nd. If he did, he'd be ahead of McMillan.

Pearsall, Burton and Polk aren't guys I'd want until the 3rd. The character flags around Burton have spooked me off him and Pearsall/Polk are both just guys I haven't talked myself into in the 2nd but could probably find a way to do so if that's the pick we make.

None of them are likely to be Skyy Moore situations where I just hate it.

Some folks seem to really like Burton but IMO his production isn't good enough to back up his character. With someone like George Pickens I could see taking an early shot because of the obvious talent but it's not there for Burton from my perspective.

RunKC 02-27-2024 10:51 AM

I don't think the Chiefs are gonna draft a deep threat like Worthy. I think they'll cut MVS and make it a priority to get a vet FA like Mooney. We can all agree that Andy/Patrick don't want a rookie taking a top spot.

With teams playing cover 2 99% of the time, I don't think the speed threats will be as valuable from the draft.

I want a route runner. Who is the closest person that can give us anything in the same universe as this?

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Get Patrick a route running fiend and we feast

staylor26 02-27-2024 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419025)
I don't think the Chiefs are gonna draft a deep threat like Worthy. I think they'll cut MVS and make it a priority to get a vet FA like Mooney. We can all agree that Andy/Patrick don't want a rookie taking a top spot.

With teams playing cover 2 99% of the time, I don't think the speed threats will be as valuable from the draft.

I want a route runner. Who is the closest person that can give us anything in the same universe as this?

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Get Patrick a route running fiend and we feast

Worthy can work at every level of the field though. He's not just a deep threat by any means.

raybec 4 02-27-2024 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419035)
Worthy can work at every level of the field though. He's not just a deep threat by any means.

That's how we do it here man. Every fast guy is just a gadget guy deep threat. You know the CP way.

wachashi 02-27-2024 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 17419006)
Some homeruns there. Franklin, Burton and Pearsall on the list.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">P5 WRs at a 58% catch rate or better on targets 10+ yards downfield since 2019 Draft (100+ tgts)<br><br>- AJ Brown<br>- Justin Jefferson<br>- CeeDee Lamb<br>- DeVonta Smith<br>- Isaiah Hodgins<br>- Jerry Jeudy<br>- Garrett Wilson<br>- Chris Olave<br>- Troy Franklin<br>- Jermaine Burton<br>- Ricky Pearsall<br><br>Via PFF</p>&mdash; Football Insights 📊 (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1762346132921872621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The QB throwing the ball matters quite a bit in a stat like this.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419035)
Worthy can work at every level of the field though. He's not just a deep threat by any means.

I think it's hard to project that for a guy who weighs 165-170 lbs.

The theory checks out, but can he actually do it against NFL cornerbacks? And I don't know that he was ever really asked to work zones and do the 'clever' shit that we're going to want from a Z receiver (and presumably that's how you'd try to use him if he's a 1st rounder).

I just think the smaller guys are better in theory than practice. They start to get whacked around and knocked off their route and suddenly what they SHOULD be able to do becomes pretty damn hard for them to actually do it on time.

It's the Skyy Moore lesson again. And Moore isn't even a weight problem (he's built well enough) his was a contact balance problem and a little bit of a length/brains issue.

Trying to project smaller/slighter WRs into every part of the field is a pretty risky proposition. Some of the things they did to be successful in those areas of the field don't work in timing offenses and against longer, stronger, faster DBs.

Physicality is an underrated component for all but the most athletic WRs. And yes, Worthy is athletic. Does he reach the threshhold level of physicality to put that to use? Well I guess that's the million dollar question, innit?

staylor26 02-27-2024 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17419054)
The QB throwing the ball matters quite a bit in a stat like this.

Yes, for example, and since we've been talking about Worthy, his tape is full of him winning down the field with Ewers being incapable of consistently getting him the ball when he does.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419025)
I don't think the Chiefs are gonna draft a deep threat like Worthy. I think they'll cut MVS and make it a priority to get a vet FA like Mooney. We can all agree that Andy/Patrick don't want a rookie taking a top spot.

With teams playing cover 2 99% of the time, I don't think the speed threats will be as valuable from the draft.

I want a route runner. Who is the closest person that can give us anything in the same universe as this?

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Get Patrick a route running fiend and we feast

Jalen MFing McMillan, fools!

raybec 4 02-27-2024 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17419065)
Jalen MFing McMillan, fools!

I am uneducated about McMillan. Did he miss time last year or did something else cause his drop in production from '22?

staylor26 02-27-2024 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17419074)
I am uneducated about McMillan. Did he miss time last year or did something else cause his drop in production from '22?

Yea, he battled injuries (or just one) this year.

RunKC 02-27-2024 11:22 AM

I wouldn't be shocked to see McConkey in rd 2 tbh. He is a very good route runner with size. He's down the list for me though.

It would also be naive to ignore Corley as a realistic option if he runs well this week. Andy is predicated on YAC and that guy is ****ing good at YAC.

I think we should be looking for someone who represented what they thought they were getting in Skyy.

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17419074)
I am uneducated about McMillan. Did he miss time last year or did something else cause his drop in production from '22?

Sprained knee. Looked worse than it ended up being at the time but still cost him something like 6 weeks and then a little longer to get back up to full speed.

He's a Sophomore tape guy. He flashed when at full gallop this year but the soph tape really should tell you a lot.

I really think a healthy season puts him in 1st round consideration and I'd be elated to get him at 64.

wachashi 02-27-2024 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419094)
I wouldn't be shocked to see McConkey in rd 2 tbh. He is a very good route runner with size. He's down the list for me though.

It would also be naive to ignore Corley as a realistic option if he runs well this week. Andy is predicated on YAC and that guy is ****ing good at YAC.

I think we should be looking for someone who represented what they thought they were getting in Skyy.

Roman Wilson is in that boat of developed, sure-handed route runners, along with McConkey.

ChiefsFanatic 02-27-2024 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17418662)
He's the only WR in this draft that has truly elite, game-breaking speed in the 4.2s. A few guys in the mid-4.3s maybe, like Franklin, Legette, Gould, and Wilson. I think some others have a shot to barely break 4.4 but not as confident in them.



I think if Pat wants his next guy that can run WASP, this is his guy haha. I'm having a hard time jumping on the bandwagon after my epic fail with Hyatt last year but I can say I would like it alot if he were the pick.

I think saying Hyatt was an epic fail is unfair.

When I, and I assume you and most people, say we like this player or that player, we are saying so with the idea that our assessment depends on that player being drafted by the Chiefs, and coached by Reid and his staff.

When players we like get drafted to teams that have no idea how TF to coach or run an organization, that player's poor performance may be all about the team. If it's an offensive skill position player, and they end up playing with say, a Danny Dimes, or a rookie QB, etc. how can we expect the results to be anything but disappointing?

Mecca 02-27-2024 12:04 PM

Worthy is going to get a good long look by the Chiefs, he looks like someone they'd be really in on, so if we pass it's for reason.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 12:07 PM

DJ's left

But is he an Alpha?


No, he is not.


;)

O.city 02-27-2024 12:07 PM

I think I like Mitchell more than Franklin. Staylor will hate me.

staylor26 02-27-2024 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419188)
I think I like Mitchell more than Franklin. Staylor will hate me.

Not at all. The consensus on these guys is that they're all really close. It's just a matter of preference.

Mecca 02-27-2024 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419188)
I think I like Mitchell more than Franklin. Staylor will hate me.

Franklin is a better fit for the Chiefs, I don't think they've had a receiving with Mitchells skillset in Reid's entire tenure here.

O.city 02-27-2024 12:10 PM

Based on their history....I think worthy and Franklin fit more.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17419196)
Franklin is a better fit for the Chiefs, I don't think they've had a receiving with Mitchells skillset in Reid's entire tenure here.

I agree. For Nagy's offense Franklin is a better fit.



He can run fast down the field as a decoy so we can throw 8 more sideways passes.

O.city 02-27-2024 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419195)
Not at all. The consensus on these guys is that they're all really close. It's just a matter of preference.

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RunKC 02-27-2024 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17419196)
Franklin is a better fit for the Chiefs, I don't think they've had a receiving with Mitchells skillset in Reid's entire tenure here.

Idk about using a high asset on a field stretcher though. The air yards went way down in 2021 after the league used Fangio's cover 2 shell on us.

Defenses are adamant that they absolutely will not give up the deep ball to us under any circumstances. They want Patrick having 8-12 play drives malign him impatient with the opportunity of someone else like a WR or OL making a mistake. That's the only way they've stalled him in his career. That's certainly not changing.

That's why I think a lower cost guy like Mooney with Hardman as the depth option makes sense.

Feels like they want to get back to destroying teams in the intermediate level of the field again like they did in 2022 when they had around 4.5 air yards avg per completion.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419242)
Idk about using a high asset on a field stretcher though. The air yards went way down in 2021 after the league used Fangio's cover 2 shell on us.

Defenses are adamant that they absolutely will not give up the deep ball to us under any circumstances. They want Patrick having 8-12 play drives malign him impatient with the opportunity of someone else like a WR or OL making a mistake. That's the only way they've stalled him in his career. That's certainly not changing.

That's why I think a lower cost guy like Mooney with Hardman as the depth option makes sense.

Feels like they want to get back to destroying teams in the intermediate level of the field again like they did in 2022 when they had around 4.5 air yards avg per completion.


Even a Darius Slayton for 5 million would do the vertical decoy stretch stuff that Franklin is supposed to achieve.

O.city 02-27-2024 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419242)
Idk about using a high asset on a field stretcher though. The air yards went way down in 2021 after the league used Fangio's cover 2 shell on us.

Defenses are adamant that they absolutely will not give up the deep ball to us under any circumstances. They want Patrick having 8-12 play drives malign him impatient with the opportunity of someone else like a WR or OL making a mistake. That's the only way they've stalled him in his career. That's certainly not changing.

That's why I think a lower cost guy like Mooney with Hardman as the depth option makes sense.

Feels like they want to get back to destroying teams in the intermediate level of the field again like they did in 2022 when they had around 4.5 air yards avg per completion.

They spent half the year throwing it to backs and tight ends.

Teams didn't take away the deep stuff this year. We didn't have guys catch it iwhen it was there.

staylor26 02-27-2024 12:49 PM

Again, like Worthy, Franklin isn't just a vertical threat. They can operate at every level of the field.

Mecca 02-27-2024 12:50 PM

This idea that Franklin is just a vertical guy is overblown.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 12:52 PM

I like Thomas a lot more than Franklin as a Vertical #2.

Mecca 02-27-2024 12:54 PM

Brian Thomas probably isn't making it to our pick.

RunKC 02-27-2024 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419252)
They spent half the year throwing it to backs and tight ends.

Teams didn't take away the deep stuff this year. We didn't have guys catch it iwhen it was there.

SF had a handful of plays that were disguised/recover single high shifting to cover 2 or just pure cover 1 (on plays they had to blitz at the end).

The Hardman deep ball was one of them. The safety trying to take away an angle from Kelce then shifting to the deep ball and then loses the ball. That's all it takes man. And that's a throw a lot of QB's don't even attempt.

If you're a DC with any level of competency, you're playing cover 2 100% of the time unless you need a key blitz play or two....and you never want either of your safeties with their back turned to the QB or it's over.

Cover 2 with 2 guys deep and everything in front of them is the standard against us

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Chargem 02-27-2024 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419252)
They spent half the year throwing it to backs and tight ends.

Teams didn't take away the deep stuff this year. We didn't have guys catch it when it was there.

I don't have access to the advanced stats like defense alignments played vs the Chiefs but I have heard more than one podcaster/analyst say the Chiefs still saw high %s of 2 high shells and light boxes this past season.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17419266)
Brian Thomas probably isn't making it to our pick.

Right now I have 5 WR's I would consider in the 1st.


Nabers
Harrison Jr
Odunze
Mitchell
Thomas Jr

If none of those guys are available (I would probably want to move ahead of Baltimore so Monken doesn't grab Adonai)

I would not want another WR in the 1st with our pick.

RunKC 02-27-2024 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419261)
Again, like Worthy, Franklin isn't just a vertical threat. They can operate at every level of the field.

Honestly I don't give a shit about how fast they are in comparison to how well they run routes. We need a guy with experience running the route tree. No idea if that's Worthy but if it is great.

The speed is an added bonus for me

O.city 02-27-2024 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419267)
SF had a handful of plays that were disguised/recover single high shifting to cover 2 or just pure cover 1 (on plays they had to blitz at the end).

The Hardman deep ball was one of them. The safety trying to take away an angle from Kelce then shifting to the deep ball and then loses the ball. That's all it takes man. And that's a throw a lot of QB's don't even attempt.

If you're a DC with any level of competency, you're playing cover 2 100% of the time unless you need a key blitz play or two....and you never want either of your safeties with their back turned to the QB or it's over.

Cover 2 with 2 guys deep and everything in front of them is the standard against us

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He's not "shitfting" away from Kelce. He's reacting to the pass, he's already out of position.

If you have the guys that can run thru cover 2, they can't slow you down with it.

Mecca 02-27-2024 12:58 PM

I love Odunze but that ain't happening either.

O.city 02-27-2024 12:59 PM

The Ravens going back to back WR's in the first. Why would they want Mitchell?

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419274)
Honestly I don't give a shit about how fast they are in comparison to how well they run routes. We need a guy with experience running the route tree. No idea if that's Worthy but if it is great.

The speed is an added bonus for me

I would put Worthy behind Adonai AND Sanders at Texas for route running.

And Worthy is tiny, tiny.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419278)
The Ravens going back to back WR's in the first. Why would they want Mitchell?


Adonai as the #1 and Flowers then gets even easier matchups....


Would be deadly.

And they can't pay OBJ again.

Their OC recruited Adonai. He knows him and his talent.

Mecca 02-27-2024 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419278)
The Ravens going back to back WR's in the first. Why would they want Mitchell?

They don't even use Bateman and they are about to lose a bunch of their defense.

O.city 02-27-2024 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17419279)
I would put Worthy behind Adonai AND Sanders at Texas for route running.

And Worthy is tiny, tiny.

I mean, he's basically the same size as Zay Flowers?

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419286)
I mean, he's basically the same size as Zay Flowers?

No.

And they aren't in the same universe as WR's.

staylor26 02-27-2024 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419286)
I mean, he's basically the same size as Zay Flowers?

Flowers is 5'9" while Worthy is listed at 6'1"....

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419188)
I think I like Mitchell more than Franklin. Staylor will hate me.

But you've made a new friend in MahomesMagic!

So see, it all worked out!

staylor26 02-27-2024 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17419290)
No.

And they aren't in the same universe as WR's.

Your constant denial of reality is something...

O.city 02-27-2024 01:09 PM

He's bigger than Flowers, but is small?

O.city 02-27-2024 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17419294)
But you've made a new friend in MahomesMagic!

So see, it all worked out!

I need to watch Franklin more I guess.

RunKC 02-27-2024 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17419294)
But you've made a new friend in MahomesMagic!

So see, it all worked out!

And the man who said Rashee Rice wasn't good. We need an intervention. This must stop

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The entire thesis of this episode is that if the Chiefs get him we&#39;re all ****ed btw</p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1762532416608981146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 02-27-2024 01:11 PM

He was also a big CEH to KC guy. That's weird.

Mecca 02-27-2024 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419303)
And the man who said Rashee Rice wasn't good. We need an intervention. This must stop

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The entire thesis of this episode is that if the Chiefs get him we&#39;re all ****ed btw</p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1762532416608981146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He hated Rice and loved CEH, I think he doesn't understand players to the Chiefs.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:13 PM

Well, good for Kollmann that he got a player right for once.

staylor26 02-27-2024 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17419303)
And the man who said Rashee Rice wasn't good. We need an intervention. This must stop

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The entire thesis of this episode is that if the Chiefs get him we&#39;re all ****ed btw</p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1762532416608981146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Worthy > Adonai confirmed.

staylor26 02-27-2024 01:14 PM

All jokes aside, I like Adonai, and I'd be fine with him at 32.

Just not my preference :shrug:

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:17 PM

Worthy listed at 172 lbs. Lets see what he actually weighs in at Indy.

Looks frail.

staylor26 02-27-2024 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17419316)
Worthy listed at 172 lbs. Lets see what he actually weighs in at Indy.

Looks frail.

He's very skinny. He also plays bigger than you'd expect when there's contact. He's much more physical than Tank Dell for example.

O.city 02-27-2024 01:18 PM

He's also 6'1 and 20 years old.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419318)
He's very skinny. He also plays bigger than you'd expect when there's contact.

I don't hate the player.

The argument is where.


You mentioned preference.

I would not draft a tiny slot with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

staylor26 02-27-2024 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17419321)
I don't hate the player.

The argument is where.


You mentioned preference.

I would not draft a tiny slot with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Literally the same shit people said about Flowers and Dell last year...

DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419276)
He's not "shitfting" away from Kelce. He's reacting to the pass, he's already out of position.

If you have the guys that can run thru cover 2, they can't slow you down with it.

As I established in my award winning thesis statement: "Beating the Cover 2 with Speed"....

Y'know, like 48 hours before the Chiefs said "**** that guy, he's a moron" and traded Tyreek Hill. But my point remains, the way to beat the Cover 2 isn't to throw under it. It's to challenge it vertically.

Spoiler!




Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16198444)
Spoiler!


DJ's left nut 02-27-2024 01:21 PM

Which is to say I'm still stubbornly clinging to an idea I developed before we won 2 Super Bowls by doing pretty much the exact opposite of it.

GIVE ME MY DOWNFIELD 11 PERSONNEL, DAMMIT! I KNOW BALL!

Mecca 02-27-2024 01:21 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Troy Franklin during the 2023 season:<br><br>3.55 YPRR<br>4.02 YPRR vs. MAN<br>3.21 YPRR vs. ZONE<br>526 YAC<br>6.8 YAC/REC<br>13.0 ADOT<br>13 MTF<br>16.8% - SLOT<br>82.5% WIDE<br><br>Subscribe for more player cut-ups: <a href="https://t.co/AjbSJGlUPG">https://t.co/AjbSJGlUPG</a><br><br>Below is Franklin vs. UNC in ‘22. <a href="https://t.co/zIm6IxlMVr">pic.twitter.com/zIm6IxlMVr</a></p>&mdash; Nick Penticoff (@NickPenticoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickPenticoff/status/1761042936777605264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Here you can watch Franklin do way more stuff than just run deep.

O.city 02-27-2024 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419324)
Literally the same shit people said about Flowers and Dell last year...

Flowers is a slot only guy

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17419324)
Literally the same shit people said about Flowers and Dell last year...

Dell didn't go in the first 2 rounds and he broke anyway.


I preferred Flowers and Addison to Q Johnson.

Q just wasn't that good.

MahomesMagic 02-27-2024 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17419332)
Flowers is a slot only guy

You missed the AFC Championship game?


LMAO


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