Where's fumbles listed?

Main difference:

Allen lost the game against the jets with bonehead plays

Mahomes won the game against the jets

Horse crap.

Look up the Diggs 50 yard TD yesterday. The flag was on the ground while the ball was in the air.

You guys are incapable of admitting the Chiefs got away with one lol.

Fake old dude is getting all worked up with the troll game today!

Let's watch for when he completely breaks character again.

Did you?

You know how I know you don't know anything about football? :LOL:

This is classic holding. Mahomes knew he was being held and threw to him. You don't know ball.

https://x.com/mrmatthew_cfb/status/1...YJXccxRIbYwg3A

If they want to call that, fine, but you better then call this too:

https://x.com/kfcbarstool/status/170...974824074?s=46

The flag doesn't hit the ground until Diggs has turned and started up the field.

I understand your issues 100% now. You need glasses.

By definition of the NFL rulebook that is not a hold.

How fragile are the Bills when White is hurt with an obvious ankle type injury and the entire team comes out to huddle around him like he’s laying there unconscious.

Well, if they called that then they would have had to call the Jets offensive line for doing the same exact thing (or worse) all night long.

And they called Trey Smith for an extremely weak holding call shortly before that, if I recall correctly.

Johnson should have tried actually rushing the QB instead of crying. Dude is a theatrics performer.

He got a hold on Jawaan Taylor by falling to the ground on purpose LMAO

Sad that his best move isn't playing football but playing theatrics for the refs

yeah they should have called hands to the face on 11

Yeah, if he just tucks his arm down and goes after Mahomes instead of the side stepping bullshit, it makes the little hold on the jersey more obvious.

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Yes. It is.

And those of you who think holding a player in between the shoulder pads (breast plate) is legal, it is clear that you have never actually read the rule book.

NFL RULEBOOK

ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER

It is a foul if an offensive blocker:

Use his hands or arms to materially restrict or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body.

https://i.ibb.co/gwMbQWS/image.jpg

This went on for nearly 5 seconds. Everyone outside of Chiefs fans know what it is.

I'd guess they were hoping to get out of finishing the game, except they were comfortably ahead. They only quit when they're about to get their asses kicked.

It’s tough to break that conditioning of wanting to quit at the slightest sign of adversity.

bills fan bitching that the chiefs beat a team his wild-card bills couldnt beat LMAO

This is false. The ref had the flag in his hand while the ball was in the air. Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative.

Great run by Mahomes, will definitely have to watch that moment later.

That's pretty awesome. How many MVPs has this badass won? You can include SB MVPs if you'd like.

whats 11 doing with his hands there

Is daquix aware that Allen had twice as many turnovers vs the Jets and lost?

Strange comparison.

Allen was concussed though so it doesn't count and therefore Allen is betterer

I’m out of here guys. Enjoy the season. Bills will take the AFC.

Unfortunately for you that is decided in the playoffs and your Mr. January tends to choke badly in the playoffs.

;)

Chiefs Planet is your version of Hotel California. You will never leave. :D

There is no way in hell you're leaving. You'll be back. The first weekend where the Bills win and the Chiefs lose you won't be able to stop yourself. GUARANTEED.

It's clear you've never played tackle football at any level. Holding happens and could be called on every snap. The refs will only call it if it's blatant, otherwise the game would drag on forever.

TreDavious is out of here guys. Enjoy the season.

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I look forward to the next Bills mult that posts links to Bills Stats tweets with a good old aw shucks Chiefs are great when Mahomes isn't throwing interceptions backhanded attitude, using the same email as the other accounts and posting from the same location when they forget to turn on their VPN first.... that guy will probably be a lot smarter and know something about football.

lol you're mad

Tell you what sparky, you admit that you're a mult and we'll admit that the Chiefs could have gotten called for a holdin penalty while Johnson repeatedly slapped Taylor in the helmet (which btw is also a penalty so at worst it would have been offsetting)

Awww c'mon sugar tits! Don't take your ball and run home just because your smack is weak and you're team will inevitably lose in the playoffs.

The **** are you trying to convince him to stay for?

OK, see you next seasom.

Do we still take a knee if there is no cart

We all know that he's not leaving. He'll lurk for a month or so and then create a new terrible mult. Why go to the trouble?

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They never do.

If the AFC wasn't complete shit they would easily miss the playoffs. JA should be sending Rogers some nice ass christmas gifts this year.

Just like every year with Allen. They win a few early games, they get hyped as the “Team no one wants to face”, Allen gets MVP hype, and then the playoffs start and Buffalo loses in the divisional round while watching someone else represent the AFC and someone besides Allen winning MVP. At least Bills fans can take comfort with all those AFC OPW awards that Allen wins.

Hey Diqlix, any word on this?

Mahomes vs Burrow & Allen

Mahomes has a career passer rating of 105.04

What would it take for Burrow and Allen to exceed this?

Well, for Burrow, the football gods would have to remove 30 of his 33 career interceptions, leaving him with 84 TD's and only 3 INT's to give him a rating of 105.05

For Allen, even removing all his 64 career interceptions isn't' enough, additionally, the gods would need to anoint him with an additional 18 career TD's to give him a rating of 105.05

So basically, Mahomes' career stats are so good thus far that it would take essentially zero interception careers thus far for Allen and Burrow to match Mahomes

Allen seems to fall into Lamar & Dak talk now

The easy answer is:

Career: Mahomes > Allen > Burrow (to be honest, i’m not sure he’s even a top 5 QB)

This season: Allen > Mahomes > Burrow

So you’re making this assessment after 4 games? When they both are 3-1, but one of them is actually already the 1 seed??

Allen has better stats in the 2023 season. But it’s a long season and we will see how it looks in December.

You overinflate today, when you already know tomorrow's outcome

It’s not disrespect it’s just a fact.

Allen has played better than Mahomes so far. It’s why he’s the league MVP favorite right now.

As DRM08 said, it’s a long season. It could change. But as of right now Allen is on top.

Brock Purdy leading the QBR metric by a large margin at the moment, but he hasn’t faced any good defenses so far. Curious to see how he does the next 2 weeks against pretty strong defenses for Dallas & Cleveland.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/sort/...djQBR/dir/desc

Fact? No, that's an opinion. The only stat that's substantially better is comp%, which is largely because Mahomes' receivers have numerous drops.

It's silly to base your opinion solely on stats anyway. Couple examples: Mahomes throws a perfect pass to Toney, who bobbles it directly into a DB's hands for a pick 6. On Sunday night, Mahomes could have walked into the endzone on the last play, but chose to run clock instead.

That's where ESPN's QBR metric is helpful. They don't blame Mahomes for the Pick 6 with Toney, and they gave Mahomes a good grade in that Lions game overall.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/sort/...djQBR/dir/desc

ESPN QBR also gives proper credit to clutch moments in the 4th quarter and effectiveness running the ball, which helps both Allen & Mahomes compared to your more statue-type of quarterbacks such as Tom Brady or the Manning brothers. They also down-grade garbage time stuff, so whatever stat padding happened for Justin Fields in that 41-0 game with the Chiefs. Or Russell Wilson padding his stats in that Dolphins 70 point game. Or Tua padding his stats while down 28 to Buffalo...etc etc.

Yep, and Allen's QBR is almost identical to Mahomes'. Another reason it's silly to claim that he's been clearly better so far.

josh is going to impregnate some limey with buck teeth this weekend and everything will be right with the world again soon

just sit back and let the dynasty do it's work

Allen played one good defense this year and was terrible.

But that's good enough for Buffalo fans, they need their September banners.

They award the MVP in early October?

Bills fans also wishing they can award the Vince Lombardi Trophy in early October as well.

No one peaks in October (only to choke and collapse in January) like the Buffalo Bills

Two bucks and a regular season MVP will get you a cup of coffee.

Nobody circles the drain like the Buffalo Bills.

The Bills are pretty clearly the 2nd best team right? They just bent over the Phins and went in dry, and right now I cannot put trust in Lamar or Lawrence over Josh Allen.

They looked like this last year at this time. We will see.

Yes, but it's a low bar thus far.

It is kind of remarkable the way shallow analysis flies.

The Bills have played a weaker schedule and killed it. It's not dissimilar to claims they were a better team than KC in 21 and 22 because "look how much better Buffalo's D is!" while ignoring the string of awful offenses and backup QBs they had been dominating.

The Bills' D has yet to hold up in the playoffs against an elite offense. Until it does I won't believe it's capable of it.

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 

Nobody embraces and celebrates being September champions quite like Bills fans.

Best 3-1 team ever!

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...rding-to-dvoa/

Best team last three years because of point differential!

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/commun...ential-at-573/

I wouldn't overlook Baltimore. They're getting healthy and they're pretty put together.

Oh man.ROFL

Funny thing about that... all 3 teams were undefeated at least partly due to beating the Broncos. LMAO

Somebody get on there and tell them they have to stop quitting in games in the post season before they can reach the super bowl

What a stupid fan base.

That’s hilarious.

I seem to remember a team that went to 4 straight Super Bowls without winning one. Jinxing the hell out of themselves with this type of analysis:

"The 2023 Buffalo Bills are the 6th team since the NFL Merger in 1970 to score 135+ points and allow under 60 points in their first 4 games. The other 5 teams that did all won the Super Bowl that year."

If the Bills are historically great then what are the Chiefs?

Umm, I may be alone on this, but shouldn't they have a ring or two to be considered "historically great"?

It’s KC/SF/Buff in tier 1. Philly prob there too

Gotta hang those September Champions banners and hand out OPW awards to go along with “Early MVP Favorite” trophies.

Historically great means winning against 3 teams with bad defenses and losing to 1 team with a good defense?!


ROFL


This isn't even funny trolling, it's absolutely moronic.

BUF right now is the best team in the AFC, statistically. They're scoring 35 pts/gm (ranked 2nd/MIA 37.5pts/gm), only giving up 13.8pts/gm (ranked 2nd NFL, DAL 10.3pts/gm). And they haven't played a CHI type PS team yet.


And they shut MIA's passing attack down. No WR had more than 58 yards, only one WR with more than 4 catches. Only allowed a single TD receiving. BUF allowed just 1 score of any kind in the 2nd half vs. MIA.


Who's their DC now? Frazier might as well stay home next season the way they're playing right now.

And the Bills are at 139-55, so with a number like 135 you know there's some weird shit at say >130 and <60, or the other way.

The team that came to mind in terms of point differential was the 14-2 Ravens team... and damn, scored 59 in week 1. After 4 weeks they were 155-80, exactly the same +75 point differential as their metric. And they lost in the divisional round to the Titans. :shrug:

Ahhh.... the 2021 Bills were 134-44..... so THAT's why they chose 135 and 60. ROFL

The only thing history will remember about this Bills team is 13 seconds, and maybe the Hamlin game

Let them believe.

It will hurt even more.

I myself wouldn't mind going into buffalo for the AFC title and knocking them off so it puts the killshot into their franchise.

This guy is going to go down very, very hard.