I've been told he had an injury history in college as well. He's a big ? right now is all. Just trying to be objective is all.

I should probably stop watching Kardarius film. It's like porn to me at this point. Melting my brain.

Yep. He's an electric player. He just needs to stay healthy and get his head on straight. I have hope he can do that here. The Chiefs have a top notch medical staff and the most cohesive locker room in the NFL.

Also one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL. He's going to have every opportunity to excel, that's for sure.

Yep.

It's not only the best coaching staff but it's light years different than the Patriot Way shit going on in NY.

We all know what Joe Judge is. While he has the team playing better, Daboll isn't a players' coach at all. He's very much an authoritarian, my way or the highway type of guy.

You know judge is not with patriots , right ? What patriot way stuff is going on in New York?

Brian Daboll Coaching Tree
Before he was a head coach, Daboll served as an assistant coach for Bill Belichick, Eric Mangini, Tony Sparano, Romeo Crennel, and Sean McDermott. Eleven of these years were spent on Belichick's coaching staff.

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Probably the stuff that impacted Toney's rookie season with the team when Judge was HC?

Should be able to pick up a decent RT in the top 100, and hopefully a pro-bowl RT at 30-ish.

Hopefully similar to how Buffalo will feel about the Von Miller deal in a year or two.

Joe Judge spent 7 years with the Patriots before he ever stepped foot in New York and he spent 2 years before that working with Saban (another Belichik disciple).

Joe Judge is pure Patriot Way.

So is Daboll.

And I already explained what's going on. Those guys are authoritarians, they run their teams from the top down. They don't believe in getting along with players or helping them off the field. It's all about results on the field and doing it "their" way.

Just read on FB that Toney is catching punts in practice today.

The exact opposite type of coach that would get the most out of a player like Toney.

And very, very different from Andy Reid.

He is going to be a difference in his first game as a Chief. Might not be catching passes but he will be a factor.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1587873199248867331

He's getting his feet set early. Looks okay there.

No #24 taking those reps. Hope he can put that energy towards being a viable WR the rest of the season.

Skyy's biggest issue is not getting targets. Andy needs to actually put together a Skyy package, as he's done for all of our receivers in the past. Something to give him some confidence and get him going. But 2-3 targets a game isn't going to accomplish much for Skyy. And we already know he can run good routes from the slot, so come on Andy, let's go.

He has run the route incorrectly more than once. Hopefully this keeps his head cleaner so he does not continue doing so.

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I wonder what sort of weird shit Andy is going to dial up with him.

I'd imagine we'll see some wildcat packages over the next few seasons.

I remember when the Giants drafted him. I felt bad for the guy b/c I knew his talent would be wasted. I knew KC had looked at him that draft and thought he would be an outstanding fit for our offense. I remember thinking it was like night and day where he was drafted as opposed to being able to play in KC. Weird how things work out sometimes.

That dude has crazy eyes. He's gonna KICK ASS!

He speaks much better than anticipated.

That's racist!

Guessing that against a zone he will always be a 3-4th option Kelce and Juju have a good knack for finding areas. Against man if he gets separation Patrick will get him targets and he will get more time until then ....

Toney is what we hoped DAT would be, but in a bigger body.

I remember all the shit I got for saying I was glad we didn't get him and that the contract was awful. Dude got raped by Frank Clark for ****s sake lol

8.3 Y/Target puts him behind JJSS, MVS and Hardman.

He's not gotten a lot of opportunities, no. But he's also not exactly gone out there and forced the issue to demand more of them either.

He's just been a pretty standard, run of the mill rookie. To this point he's done more harm than good due primarily to his work on STs, but he's also created an interception on a play dialed up expressly to get him open in space.

If he wants more targets, he needs to play better. Right now he has 3 guys that are playing better than him ahead of him on the depth chart. We also acquired someone with a better pedigree and better measurables.

He's gonna have to put on his big boy pants and, in the words of Pacheco, take a grown man's job. Or he's just gonna keep cooling his heels and we'll see if he can flash here and there before he gets a larger opportunity next season. And even that isn't a given.

I'm kinda past the point of caring what he does anymore. He ain't the DE I wanted and the WRs ahead of him are playing well enough to get the job done. Okay - get good or get gone, young blood. At this point it's all on you.

DAT for some reason was thought of as some type of speedster, but when you watched him play he looked slow as hell. Also he ran a 4.5 40 and was 5'9", God he was an awful pick. Toney is ran a 4.39 and is 6'.

Yeah, he's not a DAT player at all.

He's very much a Hardman sort. And so if you squint, that makes him a DeSean Jackson type if everything goes really well.

Kelce was a QB in High School and evidently a pretty decent one. Remember how he looked trying to pass the ball? Who was that kid who played college QB then got converted to WR and was the QB for the Broncos for that COVID game when their QB room got bounced? He was a damn disaster.

The difference between some kid that played QB in high school and even an AWFUL NFL quarterback is just massive. I have very little interest in seeing Toney out there slinging it...

This dude is about to completely change this offense and nobody will be able to stop us. **** you Buffalo

Get gone? He's a rookie.

"I just want to go out there and do what's asked of me." That is the absolute best possible answer. I really hope he got the shitty end of the stick in NY and makes himself a factor here.

I didn't say tomorrow.

There's plenty of runway still in front of him.

Never underestimate the impact of Patriot Way bullshit.

Then again, anyone can sound good for half an hour.

We'll start seeing the returns soon enough. I don't think he's going to be buried here - he'll get some looks and we'll see if he's as full of shit as a whole bunch of guys that have come before him.

If not, I think he'll be an excellent ballplayer.

Toney is also a rapper it will be interesting to see how this board embraces him

True, but at least we already know he's not in the bottom 15% that will say stupid shit like "Give me the ball and watch me do my thing" in their opening presser.

You already know Bill. If he plays well half the bald goatees will buy his album. The first time he makes a mistake or turns the ball over it's "He's not focused! He doesn't love football!"

The guy looks incredibly talented. He did this with Mike Glennon. Can’t wait to see him with Patrick

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You look at some of the efficiency numbers he put up last year and it was some genuinely historic shit. He flashes like few guys in the league can.

The raw talent and top end isn't in question.

Incredibly smart kid - don't let him fool you

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he can throw the ball...and has effectively...andy gonna andy at some point this year :LOL:

Watching that gave me even more confidence.

I bet they wait until the offseason to draw up some crazy stuff. But yeah, it's coming.

I see more Desean Jackson than Hardman.

You shut your whore mouth!

Percy Harvin is his best comp.

To me, at least.

Made it wiggle

Agreed. Where on earth did you get the idea that I was suggesting something like that? :shrug:

Didn't realize it but he has "almost" Tyreek quickness.

Yeah I don't see Hardman AT ALL. Hardman isn't very shifty. Straight line speed he's one of the best, but shiftiness? Not really.

Hardman doesn't layer moves like Toney does but frankly, who does?

Hardman does have a fair amount of initial shiftiness - think of some of those TD's he's had where he's made a quick move to open a seam before he blasted through them.

Hardman is shiftier than a lot of people realize but because he's not Tyreek Hill, he seems less so. I agree that he's not what Toney is, but due to his size, top end speed and ability to at least make a guy miss here and there, I think he's a much better comp than a scrub like DAT is.

My amateur eyes see a combination of Dante Hall and Sammy Watkins.

I'd say he has Hardmans speed and DATs shiftiness. DAT sucked cause he was still somewhat slow despite looking like he should be fast. So he could make all the moves he wanted but he wasn't really going anywhere. Where as Toney can make the same moves and still be able to accelerate out of them for a gain.

To me, it is a good sign that Chiefs and Toney agreed to the press availability.

Dude has unique personality and super talented. I think he will keep it together. Great that Karen Kornacki opens up the presser with friendly questions like she was paid extra to go first.

I don't know what put him on the outs in NY but he never made so many waves that it became a national story. I think he'll be ok here but if not, it's a really small investment for the team.

Kind of hard to find an adequate comparison, tbh. Which is a testament to his skill set.

He's shiftier than Hardman, a more natural receiver than hardman. He's built entirely differently and doesn't have the long speed like Hardman.

He's much faster than Dante Hall, accelerates quicker and he's an actual receiver.

He's shiftier than Percy Harvin. Different sort of build. Harvin was more of a one cut, straight line kind of guy.

He's nothing like Tyreek...


I mean....not really many good comparisons out there.

His demeanor is not a good fit for the Patriot way coaches NYG had last season and this season.

The pass at the :56 sec mark and when he gets to about the 10 and just explodes reminds me "almost" of Tyreek

I do keep coming back to DeSean Jackson.

Jackson was a monster in space. It feels like a lazy comparison due to the Andy Reid connection, but I can't come up with anyone else better.

Here's my biggest worry - by FAR. This passing game is hugely dependent on timing. And Toney does some weird shit in his routes. He cuts off the wrong leg. He throws in a dead leg or some weird hesi step to get DBs off balance. He does one extra juke than seems necessary.

I don't know how a QB can possibly throw to a spot with him because there's seemingly no consistency to when or how he throws those moves in there.

I can't figure out how him and Mahomes can get their timing synched up. So I think for pretty much this entire season, he'll need to be a guy who's schemed into space as a 3rd read when a play breaks down, someone who has designed quick hitters and someone who acts as a decoy.

I just don't think there's a chance we get him dialed into the timing of this offense on the fly. He's just so different in how he moves out there.

He's Jerry Rice Barry Sanders Calvin Johnson Tyreek Hill.

He's Jebarcalreek Riandersonill

I think Andy will generally end up scheming him open to begin with. Certain routes and plays that are designed to get him the ball and get him the ball in space. Our other new receivers have had most of the off season, training camp and now 7 weeks of regular season to get on the same page as Mahomes. We are just now seeing that chemistry really develop. Where I think he could be a huge asset is on those off schedule plays when Mahomes goes Mahomes on teams. Where the only route is to gain separation and find an open spot. With as shifty as Toney is, he could be MAJOR trouble for teams to deal with. While he doesn't have the elite speed of Tyreek, he has plenty of moves to make a defender look very bad.

Pretty intense eyes, good build. Look like a linebacker to me but hell it looks like he's bringing energy.

He's in a great situation to succeed.

Do it!! :rockon:

Hopefully not the injury part of Watkins.

Let me start by saying I agree with all of this.

However, a point of order: Kelce also does a lot of extra stuff running routes, and often times doesn't even run the route as scripted, and yet is the most successful TE in NFL history (a little hyperbolic, but whatever you guys get it).

And the key with Pat to Kelce is that Travis gets open on the route exactly when he needs to be open, so I THINK that Toney can do the same thing. Not saying they necessarily want Toney running ad lib routes, just that he can get open at the right time during the route, if that makes sense.

And Toney was able to get on the same page as Daniel Jones, fcs. I think Pat can figure Toney out if Danny Dimes could for a couple games.

And there have been a lot of receives that did odd things running routes that became wildly successful with lesser QBs getting them the ball. Steve Largent, Edelman, Renfrow, etc.

So maybe not this year, but eventually Patrick and Toney will get sorted out.

Toney made a comment (complaint?) about how the Giants wanted every route ran like an exact science, that there was no freedom in his route running.

Gotta wonder how that may have kept him in the doghouse, and whether Reid will allow him to be creative in his route running, so long as he gets to where he's supposed to be on time.

Yet another way the Chiefs are way different than the Giants.

I keep thinking about how Andy's philosophy has always been "be you, the best version of you." Andy wants his players to express themselves on the field, and the players repeat this mantra as well in pressers all the time.

From that perspective, Toney is an obvious fit in Andy's offense, because Kad is a virtuoso expressing himself on a football field. IMHO, of course.

I finally got around to watching this interview and the more I read and listen about Toney, the more excited I get for his potential here in this offense. That interview was really good and if it’s truthful, we have a true badass in this kid.

I’ve said it before, but I get Tyreek vibes from him with the way he talks, moves and how competitive he is.

Let’s all hope he stays focused and he makes KC his home for the next 6-7 years and helps this offense become truly historic.

He kinda eluded to the aspect of him needing to be responsible to be where he’s supposed to be to get more opportunities.

This offense requires its WRs to know what defense is being ran against them so they can make sight adjustments to their option routes on the fly to take advantage of opportunity yards. When asked specifically if other WRs have talked to him about what Pat likes in those situations, Toney seemed to have fun with the answer.

looked like the smallest kid on the playground pokin the schoolyard bully in the butt with a stick before scampering away LMAO

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Warmed my heart to see him help Mahomes up after one of his scrambles. Dude is trying.

toney the house elf

when will veach present him with clothing to set him free?

You can tell the kid is playing his ass off and truly wants to be here.

Yup. You can tell by the little things that dude is all-in.

Exactly. By focusing on doing those little things, he's actually addressing the biggest concern he had coming in - that he doesn't really want to play football.

It's pretty obvious, even after one game and limited snaps, that he indeed does want to play football. Just not for the Giants.

Can anyone blame him for the change of attitude? Look at what he had to go through in New York.