I didn't love this pick and I'm glad to eat some crow. Just goes to show you that the 'sexy pick' isn't always sexy. This guy very well may out perform all the other picks KC made. I'm glad he's here and I openly admit I underestimated him.

Dude they went away from McKinnon entirely after about mid 3rd qtr. ****ing puzzles me to no end! Seems like I am the only one who noticed too. It was frustrating because Mckinnon would get 5-10 yrds EVERY. DAMN. TIME!

*****The George Karlaftis Thread*****
 

Saw this on Reddit. Omg, why??https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e4edbc9690.jpg

Emma Stone with George’s mouth.

You don't have to eat crow. None of us know s**t and we won't until at least the end of the season. I liked the pick but nobody has to grovel yet. Come back when we win the SB!

We'll have a crow banquet.

god I hate reddit and redditors lol

You seem nice!!

I haven't paid attention, what's Karlaftis' snap count been like compared to Danna and Clark? It's early, so I'm guessing he's still being worked in slowly, but I hope we get to see Karlaftis and Dunlap starting to get more snaps, especially at the expense of Clark. Doesn't really matter who the "starter" is and all will be rotated often to stay fresh, but within the next month I would hope to see Clark's snap count plummet.

Karlaftis played more snaps against LA than any other lineman, including Chris Jones. The only defensive players with more snaps were Bolton, Gay, and the DB’s

That’s great. I usually check out the snap counts after the game but missed it this week. Good to see rookie defenders are getting a look sooner than we saw previously under Spags.

I agree it’s great , fat finger on thumb’s down

sacks will cum

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hutchinson/Karlaftis have 9 QB Pressures each - leading all rookies... No other rookie has more than 4</p>&mdash; Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1572384122596917249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We got a guy who's just as good as the #2 overall pick at #30. That's exactly how you sustain long term success in this business. That Tyreek trade is looking better all the time.

Just as good? Hutchinson has a 3 sack game already.

So George registsed nine pressures against Murray and Herbert and Hutch is better because he actually sacked Carson Wentz three times. That's what your saying, correct?

I’m saying that sacks are harder to get and better for your team than pressures.

Also, sacks are not recorded as pressures, so Hutchinson had 9 pressures AND 3 sacks.

No, sacks are absolutely recorded as pressures.

Pressure = sack + hit + hurry

He has 9 pressures composed of 3 sacks and 6 hurries.

Karlaftis has 9 pressures composed of 2 hits and 7 hurries.

There is no disputing that a sack is better than a hit which is better than a hurry.

Hutchinson is probably going to be better, he should be. The question is the margin. He's been up against slightly better OTs I think after 2 games and it's way too early, but at this point the difference doesn't look like it should be nearly a full round.

And apart from the draft capital - lost in the 'new rookie slotting' era is that there is STILL a substantial difference in salary from the front of the 1st to the back.

Hutchinson will make $35 million in his first 4 years. Karlaftis will make $12. A $6 million/season difference on the cap ain't worth scoffing at - that's a pretty big deal.

Off subject a little, but the Hutchinson pick reminds me of a funny story while in Vegas at the draft…

I stood next to and was talking with a Lions fan right before they selected him. Just before Roger announced the pick, an extremely tall and rude Raiders fan stood right in front of us. The Lions fan firmly stated, “Hell’s Bells! I spend a ton of money to go to Vegas to see my Lions draft just to have some gigantic Raiders fan block my view! The draft is our Super Bowl damn it!”

Due to the crowd appreciating the Lion fan’s humor, everyone laughed and all started yelling “down in front!”. The Raiders fan moved on immediately.

Very good point

Good story, with a little upgrade.

Unless said hurry results in an eyes closed panic throw into coverage for an int, because playoff sacks are against your religion. -Chris Jones.

Where are you seeing that? I always thought a pressure was a sack, hurry, or knock-down.

You're a big ball of poop!

Karlaftis could have sold out for a sack the other night - he had Herbert dead to rights but pulled up and left his feet to force a bad throw into the dirt.

A good play is a good play as far as I’m concerned.

People have trouble with pronunciation of his name. Just remind yourself that Karla has floppy tits and George really likes them. It really helps me to also pretend I’m hearing that in play by play man Mitch Holthus’ voice

Generally, yes, you're correct. Depends on the source sometimes though, and there are plenty of shitty ones. Hell, it's really hard to get your hands on good pressure data reliably.

I was so happy to see it. I scream at my tv like a lunatic on bath salts when the rusher has a perfect shot at the QB and they go flying right by him.

Always reminds me of this

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5J...Pm-1200-80.jpg

Some of the hardest data to find for sure, and it's rarely consistent source over source.

I've almost given up on trying to use it for anything which sucks because pressures really do impact plays in a big big way. No, they're not sacks, but apart from sacks and turnovers, I'll take a pressure over pretty much any other 'compiled' statistic.

And it's damn near impossible to find a consistent definition or accounting of them. Frustrating.

Thats awesome!

Pretty tough to get on that list and to be the only rookie!

Great pick Mr. Veach!

I discredit that list. Three are DAL players and Parsons is third best of the three. No way.

When is this from? Preseason, maybe?

Here's the list that was posted today, and he's not in the top 10:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-players-teams

George is more a more versatile player in Spags system. We got the right guy. He drops in coverage occasionally and does pretty well. He's a better fit in the system we run.

No, it's for week 4:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top 10ish players in pass rush win rate at edge in Week 4.<br><br>Some other notables:<br><br>-Von Miller 19% (still leads on season)<br><br>-Kayvon Thibodeaux 11%, Aidan Hutchinson 10%<br><br>-Brian Burns 6%, been a down PRWR year for him so far <a href="https://t.co/aJZBnQvISW">pic.twitter.com/aJZBnQvISW</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1576951366341230594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I believe this was mostly against Wirfs too.

Also reminds me why I wanted Ingram back!

How is Frank Clark NOT on that list? ;)

Was a little disappointed that George didn't try something besides the power rush vs. their Ts. Not worried about him though. He's a smart guy and he'll start putting some moves together that'll make him more effective sooner rather than later.

You could stuff a few of them in that thing.

Hasaan Reddick makes me sad

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He should get those moles looked at.

Got his first career sack vs the Faiders!


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.5 of a sack.

6'1'', 240 - he just wasn't gonna be an option here.

That's not to say we couldn't have made it work - he's a LEO all day in an under front. Would've been a really nice complement to Karlaftis.

But they just weren't gonna go that route before they knew what they had in Karlaftis.

Well, thru 5 games Karlaftis hasn't exactly popped off the screen much. He's made a few plays, but is it a stretch to say he's been a bit underwhelming?

He's winning and getting pressure, just hasn't translated to sacks just yet.

I'm sure he's "underwhelming" for somebody dying to give up draft picks for an edge rusher though.

We're one of the worst teams in the league vs the pass and teams are consistently throwing the ball.

I dunno, seems like alot of opportunities out there to rush the QB and other than Chris Jones, doesn't seem like much there.

That stat is skewered based on the Bucs and Cardinals game. We went up big early. They had no choice to throw and we played prevent allowing them to get yards as long as clock was burned.

Not saying it’s not an issue but it looks far worse on the stat sheet than it really is

Not saying that's not the case, but we seem to say that every year and it ends up "nah, they just aren't good".

Not really - this is the kind of player he is. He's not a flashy guy; he's a lunchpail SDE who will win some reps with effort.

I think it was Matt Derrick who said he was going to set the franchise rookie sack record - I just never saw that.

He's been good. He's been solid in the run and at least someone you have to account for on the rush. I think he's got about 15 pressures thus far and while 3/gm isn't world altering, it's solid. Crosby's at about 4/gm (22 total).

Speaking of Crosby - the Raiders have got to get some DE depth. I mean I remember vividly the 2 sacks and one of his hurries in the first quarter(ish) of that game. In TOTAL he had 2 sacks and 2 hurries. So after that 1st quarter flurry where he just wrecked Wylie coming and going, he only had one hurry from that point forward.

And some of that HAS to be fatigue. Guy's already at 314 snaps on the season. Those are DB numbers. You can't ask him to keep doing that.

And this right here is exactly why teams shouldn’t pay big money to corners unless they are generational.

Wtf is Watson supposed to do here? It’s a bullshit vet move by Adams. The ball is not thrown to the outside so Adams can jump into a corner, pull him down and get a DPI call?

Yeah these need to be reviewable. Every single one of them. This was not a penalty and should have been overturned.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the league now to get PI, wide receivers just have to jump into a corner on an under thrown ball to draw the flag, Especially if the CB doesn’t get their head around. Not only does Adams sell that but he also pulls Watson into him and tackles him to the ground to sell the PI. <a href="https://t.co/frlWCyO3B6">pic.twitter.com/frlWCyO3B6</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1580204729191530496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, Crosby just wore down, you could see it happen.

I don't think Karlaftis has been bad, he's been fine. But like you said, this was always what he was probably gonna be and why I think you need someone opposite him that isn't Frank Clark

Yea that's the kind of bs DPI that makes me hate the NFL.

I know that keeps getting thrown around, but its worth pointing out that the Chiefs are in the top 10 in yards/attempt.

The Chiefs pass defense has been BUSY, no question. But at 6.2 yards/attempt, good for 8th in the league, it hasn't been bad. That vaunted Ravens offense, for instance, has given up 200 more passing yards than we have.

But I don't disagree - we need to get Danna back and we need to get someone on the field who can be at least average along with Karlaftis, Danna and Dunlop. If that's Clark - bully (but it won't be). If that's Hughes for a 3rd day pick, that's fine as well.

If it's none of the above...I think we'll still be okay when Danna returns. Especially since I'd imagine Stallworth replaces Wharton and I think Stallworth has a little juice still.

Watson ran thru him with his head turned. Yes, Adams did a great job, but that's the way that's set up. Watson has to stay in contact and turn around.

He didn't run through him.

If a defender is standing still at the start of a play or waiting for a receiver to make his cut, the receiver isn't allowed to just run right through him and put him on the ground. I see no reason why it's any different for these bullshit PI calls on underthrown balls. There's no interference until the receiver reacts at the last second to a poor throw. You try turning your head around that quickly to locate a ball while also trying to defend a pass. Oh wait, you missed the ball completely as you turned to look and now you can't defend the reception and knock it out because you aren't looking at the receiver any more.

How the **** was he supposed to turn his head? That shit was way underthrown.

Karlaftis was lined up in the MIDDLE of the line for most of the 2nd half for some reason.

Once Clark went out, it all went to hell. Saunders disappeared (and nobody still has figured out why) Herring was on the field and suddenly we were running 3-man fronts with Karlaftis at DT and Chris Jones at DE.

No clue WTF was going on. :shrug:

:facepalm:

He DID turn his head, it was just way early in the route, maybe before the ball was even thrown.

Both of the big PI penalties were under thrown balls. In fact, Carr threw several of his deep throws short.

I'm hoping Stallworth is what he was showing in Indy. That woudl help.

I've been less physical during conjugal engagements than Adams was with Watson there...

Yeah - just exactly WTF could Watson have done differently other than some completely pro forma head turn. Fine, turn your head - what changes? He's gonna do exactly what he did to defend that ball.

It was a garbage call.

I thought he was looking pretty good through the first three weeks or so. The last couple weeks, he's been a little underwhelming but flashed a few times with tackles for loss and the half sack, etc.

Adams jumped into Watson and had that man in the headlock and essentially threw him to the ground.

It’s plain as day in the replay but very difficult to see in real time. That’s why these need to be reviewable. That was a 50+ yard swing

Guessing it had something to do with adjusting blocking assignments to create blitz lanes.

I mean it's not impossible that Spags had them 2-gapping in the 2nd half? Herring isn't explosive but he's fairly strong. You could use Jones as a 3-tech and still get pressure with him while using Herring/Karlaftis as a sort of Nascar style intermittent 2-gap setup that could keep the OL guessing and create better blitz lanes...

Just thinking out loud.

I'm just saying, he isn't turned and appears to go thru the wr when the ball arrives.

He looked primed for a big night in the 1st couple of drives of the Raiders game. Hell the whole line looked like it was.

And then the weird shit started happening, like Frank Clark suddenly leaving to have diarrhea.

Even if they reviewed, it's still gonna be called with rules being what they are. It's a bad rule.

They'd say the CB impeded the WR to the ball I'm sure.

We get it, you're an idiot.

Yeah....Clark leaving and Wharton getting hurt kind of ****ed everything up.

It's as good of an explanation as any. If that's the case, though it hurt more than it helped IMO.

Yup if a WR jumps over or into a DB then DPI should be nullified right there On the spot.

That’s rewarding a shitty off target throw by the QB.

You need a speed rusher on the other side of Karlaftis.

When the ball arrives? At that point he's allowed to blow him the **** up so what is your point?

When the ball arrives he doesn't have his head turned and the WR makes contact.

I agree, it's bullshit, but in today's NFL that's PI. Like it or not.

And that shit needs to change. If you can go back and review those...and see that the ball was so underthrown that the WR had no clear shot at it....it should be overturned.

Yep.

For all of the talk about pressures and win rates (Karlaftis is plus in both categories), Dunlap is currently one of the worst in the league.

I don't know how you could determine the WR had no shot at it though?