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You have got to be kidding.

Take that pass rush down just a couple notches and you’ll see how great those LBers really are.

You just might get to find out in a couple weeks. ;)

Kwon Alexander with one fully functioning arm isn't as good as anybody in this league. And Fred Warner is quite good - he is NOT as good as Jayon Brown.

And again, the fact that you're trying to mention Greenlaw in the same breath as Brown tells me what I need to know about your knowledge of the AFC.

You haven't played anything resembling this team. Our defense is far superior to the powder puffs you faced in the AFC playoffs. Prepare to face a real defense and a real pass rush now. Also you haven't seen anything like our offense. We run the ball with speed and use motion. Henry just plows straight ahead and you know the hole he is going for. They just slam him in there and see if you can stop it. With Shanahan he uses motion, sweeps, reverses, cut backs, plus play action passes. You have absolutely no idea where the ball is going. We are not predictable like the Titans.

This is my thoughts. I can't be as confident as some of these others. We ARE playing a well rounded, extremely good team. IF both teams play flawlessly, we should win. BUT we have seen our most reliable play makers drop balls. We were lucky enough to overcome this. But against a team of SF's caliber, it could be fatal. We must play up to our ability.

Colts=injuries. Tyreek DNP. Pat re-injured his ankle (C. Erving stepped on it I think) Wylie gets injured. Did Hunter get injured as well? Shady tweeked ankle. Frank Clark injures his neck. Chris Jones leaves game with knee injury. Xavier Williams get injured in this game? Watkins plays one snap?

Texans=injuries. Hill plays limited snaps first game back since week 1. Chris Jones DNP. Xavier Williams DNP. F. Clark plays but obviously not 100% still. Watkins DNP? Fisher DNP.

Packer=Pat out w/dislocated patella. Matt Moore's second start. 36-year old HS teacher. Fisher still out. Jones still out. Did Wylie play in this game? Or Rankin?

Titans=injuries. First game that the original starting OL plays together since week 1. Pat returns for first game since knee injury. For about a quarter. Fisher, Wylie, LDT, Rankin and Schwartz all go out with injuries. Hill injured. Think one more.

Packers game might have been the toughest, simply because of injuries, but also our LBs didn't match up well at all with their RBs split outside. fixed that against the Vikings when they tried it a week later, but the Packers plus Rodgers making a Rodgers miracle throw killed us.


Titans game also was a tough game, even though we dominated TOP, offensive yards, scoring possessions percentage. But our LBs just didn't line up correctly for most of that game, and Henry ran for 188 yards.

I didn't mention him as the same. Read it again. Because that is clearly not what the post says.

No shit, right!?!

I mean the 8th best player on your defense is evidently better than Jayon Brown.

You guys must be ****ing AWESOME.

That's an interesting analysis.

I think we have an advantage when comparing QBs as much as the next guy, but too many posters are painting Jimmy Garapolo to be an Alex Smith clone. Yes, Jimmy plays the game manager role. But he has a higher YPA than Mahomes does this year. Just wanted to point that out.

LMAO - I knew you'd get there soon enough.

I think you might find out what a real pass rush looks like in a few weeks. We are not the weak and helpless Texans and Titans who can't get to your QB.

He’s also MUCH more likely to throw a dumb INT.

That’s why even if he’s a little better than Alex, he’s probably in the same tier.

Yards per attempt…

Jimmy Garoppolo: 8.4
Patrick Mahomes: 8.3

No one is saying Garoppolo is a better QB than Mahomes, but the facts are simple: The 49ers have a very capable passing game, and that’s what is ultimately relevant to this Super Bowl:

Throwing wasn't much of an option against Baltimore for Jimmy. Mahomes also played Baltimore, where throwing was an option to the tune of 374 yds and 3 TDs.

It's amazing all of these turd 49ers argue exactly like all of the turds that came over who sucked Alex Smith's cock.

Maybe the Chiefs have seen some of it in practice? I think Andy Reid does some of this.

The idea that SF runs some kind of revolutionary offense that Reid couldn't draw up on a napkin from Q39 is laughable.

....Because of weather.....

We play Bosa and Ingram twice a year.

We had to deal with Ngakoue/Campbell/Allen week 1

Yea yours is better/deeper, but we’ve dealt with an elite pass rush three times this season, and your secondary isn’t nearly as good as the Jags/Chargers.

Those elite pass rush teams with better DB’s kept us under 30 once, and that was when Mahomes was still getting healthy on an absolute shit field that neutralized our speed.

Except Mahomes was banged up for 90% of the season with zero run game to help slow down pass rushers. Andy went to a shorter passing game to help protect Mahomes from further injury. Smart strategy. But I am gonna ask the question. Give Mahomes the Niners run game and what do you think his yards per attempt would be?

I agree with that. Dont agree with your second line, but whatever. We are all rooting for us to make him look like Tyler Thigpen.

Look up David Lombardi on Twitter.

The point of my post was not to compare him to Mahomes. Mahomes is worlds better. My point was that Jimmy is much better than most are making him out to be.

Well, the first bit isn't really an analysis. A list of injuries to key personnel more than anything.

The last two lines are a very abbreviated type of analysis, I guess. Not entirely mine though.

The TEN game, for example, I went through a lengthy examination of that game right after it happened, and concluded that a large part of the loss was due to the offense leaving at least two probable scoring plays on the field. I gave the team a pass because it was Pat's first game back and there was bound to be a little rust. But the fact remained that Pat over-threw an easy TD to Hill by a yard.

Also, while the defense allowed four TDs, they also forced 4 punts and 2 turnovers. Limiting the Titans offense to just 40% scoring possessions, in spite of the fact that Henry ran for 188 yards. It was, IMO, really a premature snap and a block kick that cost the team the game. None of this was not a popular theory at the time. Probably still isn't.

Jimmy G is fine. He is not as bad as presented to be by the media. He threw for almost 4,000 yards. Greater than a 2 to 1 TD to interception ration. 102 rating. Win at New Orleans where he scored 48 points. Win at Seattle. If the Packers allow us almost 300 yards rushing why would we pass? This team can pass. But if you can't stop the run we keep running. Shanahan does what keeps working.

Yes Mahomes is great. Most likely the best in the league. Nobody really argues that. But it is team against team. Not QB against QB.

I am also not worried about the 49ers running all over us after this past weekend. I know the Titans run a vastly different rushing attack, but if you can shut down the best, you can certainly shut down Moster.

You know damn well those numbers are skewed due to the massive gap in attempts. Jimmy averages 26 attempts per game. Last 2 games he had 19 and 8 respectively. Doesn't exactly instill fear into opposing defenses or his coaches faith in him as a passer.

It is revolutionary, you are missing this. But will understand in two weeks. Watch Brian Baldingers breakdowns on twitter.

I ****ed up and transposed. I meant to say 12 personnel. Two Tight Ends. KC is not in 21 very much (about 10 percent of snaps).

You’re going to see 85-90 percent of 12 and 11 (which plays like 4-WR because of Kelce).

Bosa is a great young player and might become the first Bosa to bring Mahomes down for a sack this game.

Pressures are key things, but still... stats don’t back up the idea of him owning those matchups. We’ll see, though.

As for Jimmy G, that’s the exact type of stuff Chiefs fans said about guys for years. It’s what a bunch of people - some in this thread - tried to tell me about Alex Smith in 2017, when he put up very similar numbers to Garoppolo this year (with the NFL’s leading rusher, best TE, and one dynamic receiver).

KC won’t ignore Garoppolo. He’ll, it didn’t even ignore Tannehill, who is clearly and obviously worse.

He answered the bell against the Saints. Can he do the same against the Chiefs? I understand why you think he can. I’m sure you understand why we’d take that bet with our guy...

I know it isnt QB vs. QB. And yes, we all know Mahomes is much better, you included. I was just trying to get other posters to realize that Jimmy is not an Alex Smith level game manager.

Wow. The Chargers are absolute GARBAGE. I live here in Southern CA. If you think the Chargers even remotely approach the talent we have on defense I don't even know what to tell you.

And Mahomes hadn't ascended to God Mode yet.

Folks are wanting to act like this is just a product of the last 2 defenses but they're kinda ignoring the incremental improvements we saw after the Patriots game.

Remember the mid-week rumors that he was upset with his performance against NE and got back to the drawing board w/r/t his footwork, etc...?

Then he came out against Denver and everything was just...fixed. Suddenly he was standing tall in the pocket, seeing all the angles, feeling the pressure and adjusting correctly, reading defenses damn near perfectly.

He leveled up in a big way. It isn't just the numbers, it's the confidence he's playing with and the complete command he has of this offense. He's ****ing Neo from the Matrix right now. He's seeing the field in code and in slow-motion.

Again - all that can save them is the delay and the hopes that it knocks PM out of his zone. Like I said before the Titans game, none of the analysis truly matters. If Patrick Mahomes plays like he's played the last 2 weeks, the 49ers will lose.

You’re the one who says we’re about to face a real pass rush for once. Does LA not qualify? A team with Bosa’s ****ing clone on it?

We’ll see about that. I think it’s entirely possible that the Niners do whatever they want on offense and score a ton of points.

I also think it’s entirely possible that KC will have plenty of success against this supposedly 1985 Bears level defense for the Niners. I think their fans are underestimating Mahomes and his OL/weapons. The same Belichick defense that COMPLETELY shut down a 30 ppg Rams offense in the Super Bowl got torched for 30+ in a single half by KC.

That is correct. As a 49ers fan I can tell you he is light years better than Alex Smith or Kaepernick. He is portrayed as some Alex Smith level game manager. Who you would know also because you had him for a few years. But he is far superior to that. If you bring 8 - 9 guys up in the box he can and will throw deep to Kittle, Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuel. And he will hit some of those for TD's. He is a capable QB. Much more functional than Alex Smith game manger level. LOL.

Yes Mahomes is super great. We all agree including me. I think he is extraordinary in a lot of ways. Throwing form the pocket, scrambling, and buying more time to throw. His arm strength and accuracy are outstanding. He also reads the field really well and makes excellent decisions.

Oh look another idiot 49ers fan that doesn’t know shit about the Chargers defense.

Their best player missed the first 12 weeks, but you probably don’t even know that or who he even is because you guys clearly don’t have a clue talking about the AFC, regardless of where you live.

Please try to argue that you have a better secondary. Please.

I do. And I appreciate the good exchange.

There was nothing more frustrating than spotting them 5 yards 3 or 4 times against TN.

You KNEW a conversion was coming at that point. When it's 1st and 5 against a premier run team, they're gonna convert. You know it, I know it and they know it. So even when they get stuffed for a 1 yard gain, it's 2nd and 4 now and they're STILL gonna convert.

So please. Pretty pretty please with sugar on top. PLEASE don't commit these silly little penalties on 1st down that are almost entirely self-inflicted. Make 'em work to stay ahead of the sticks and sooner or later just about any run-dominant attack will stumble just enough to get passed by.

Haha. Bosa's clone. Wow. First of all Nick Bosa is far superior to Joey Bosa. Did you even watch him play this year at all? Second of all I don't see 4 guys on the Charger like Buckner, Amrstead, Ford and Nick Bosa. Those 4 are the best front 4 in the league. The Chargers have nothing like that in their front 4. I've seen and been to many Chargers games. The whole front 4 works together. It's not 1 guy in a vacuum. Our front 4 is far superior to theirs and any NFL expert or analyst would tell you so too.

Now little brother is already in a different league than big brother LMAO

These ****ing 49ers fans are delusional.

I guess you’re also going to try and tell us Chiefs fans that Dee ****ing Ford is 10 times better than Ingram too?

Andy Reid has been here for 7 years and I honestly can’t recall a game where I said, “son of a bitch, he clearly just didn’t have us ready for that pass rush”...

2015 Broncos. No problem.

Jags and Chargers of the last couple years. Green Bay and Minnesota this year (with Matt Moore).

The only games we’ve had a little trouble, and I mean little, with a pass rush was when Alex was the starter and turtled up.

Still waiting on one game where Mahomes has those problems. Maybe you guys are the first? I wouldn’t put my money on it...

Joey Bosa:

Proven vet, 11.5 sacks on the year

Nick Bosa:

Rookie, 9 sacks on the year

49ers fan analysis:

Nick is wayyyyyy better than Joey

Bootstraps Bosa is a beneficiary of playing in a stacked line, as you stated. Joey is one of the only ends that has given Mitchell Schwartz fits. Him and Ingram do more with less help on that defense.

It's okay to accept both as truths

Go compare Alex Smith's 2017 to Jimmy Garoppolo's 2019. They're practically identical, man. Smith's YPA was 0.4 lower than Garoppolo's. He also threw fewer than half as many sacks and had higher QBR and Passer ratings, while taking sacks at basically the same rate (6.5 for smith vs. 7 for JG).

SanDiego49er did come over and champion Smith, as I already had him on ignore. The only ones who got relegated to that were the unapologetic Alexcuse makers.

You realize there's an argument he can make here. And it's a pretty good one.

Well...kinda good one I guess.

The Chargers defense played the best I saw of them in the 7-8 times I saw them play over the course of the season in week 17. And y'know...they gave the Chiefs some pretty damn good punches in the process. I mean we all remember sitting there in the 2nd half of that game down a few points while Miami was hanging around and thinking "Now wouldn't this be the most Chiefs thing ever - Patriots lose and we managed to **** it up against the Chargers..."

The 49ers do have a slightly better version of the Chargers general personnel group. Better DL, slightly better LBs and admittedly worse secondary. ESPECIALLY the version LAC had in week 17 when Derwin James was an absolute force out there. But they're a little better on balance and the Chargers defense is the only real difficulty the Chiefs have faced for awhile.

I wouldn't classify Joey Bosa as having given Schwartz fits. He has been a nonfactor against the Chiefs since Mahomes became QB1.

Heck, the current Broncos have two of the best pass rushers in the league (Miller/Chubb) but they have not had much success against Mahomes and company the last couple years.

Andy will butthole pucker against fierce pass rushes at time.

We remember the lefthanded pass and the beginning of the Mahomes legend in that Broncos game. But we forget how that game went for 3+ quarters. Andy wanted no part of !@#ing with Miller/Chubb in that game and he was in full check-down mode.

It wasn't until late when things were getting a bit ugly that he took the governor off by necessity.

My hope is that Mahomes has simply knocked that shit out of him and he has the complete trust in PM to simply let it all hang out for one last ride. I think he will.

But I won't say that it's not a crayon he has in his crayon box. He has demonstrated a tendency to turtle up on occasion.

Would it be a fair comparison that the 2018 Rams D = 2019 49ers D?

Derwin James is the big difference maker there, because of his versatility. He scares me more than Bosa or Ingram or anyone else on that D.

I want one for the Chiefs (I know they aren't getting Isaiah Simmons - hopefully Oakland doesn't, either - but Akeem Davis-Gaither seems like a guy who could be snagged in round 4/5 that plays that same role and pops kind of out of nowhere like James did).

When you’re talking about defending our offense, I think having a great secondary is more important than the pass rush to be honest (obviously both need to be good). The 49ers front 4 is ****ing stacked, no doubt, but I think they’d be better served losing one or two of those guys for more help in the secondary for this game.

The Chargers also have a much better feel for our offense after playing twice last year and two more times this year.

It’s exactly why I don’t expect us to do any better than the Seahawks defense despite being more talented than they are defensively.

Nope.

Rams were better in the secondary, and Aaron Donald is to DL what Pat Mahomes is to QBs.

They don't have anyone on that defense who is as dynamic and unstoppable/uncontrollable as Aaron Donald (even if some seem to think Nick Bosa is already that guy).

This is really all that needs to be said LMAO!!!

I know I participated in Alex Smith conversation in here today but I really dont want to deep dive into it today. You are comparing Alex's aberration of a year to Jimmy.

Jimmy is worlds better than Alex was, even if the basic stats are similar.

Either way, **** him. Let's put him on his ass all game!!

Well now this is just stupid.

Nick Bosa will one day be a better player than Joey. He has come out with far more polish and ferocity than Joey had at the same stage of his career.

But THIS version of Joey Bosa, the 2019 season version, is a better player than the 2019 version of Nick Bosa. I mean, I don't even understand how someone would attempt to argue otherwise.

I saw every game Eric Berry played as a Chief at Arrowhead.

And I never saw a safety impact an offense the way James did in that game. Pugs talks about how Andy is always prepared for a pass rush - he damn sure didn't seem prepared for Derwin James that day.

James was everywhere. He was shutting down deep shots, challenging throws underneath, hitting guys as soon as they made the catch. It was a damn clinic.

That kids an incredible player.

If I could take any player out of the division (like Mack), it would be James.

Compared to "A Second to End the 50 Year Shortage!"?

Teams the Chiefs faced this year with top-15 pass rushes (in no order):

Jags

Ravens

Packers

Bears

Chargers

Vikings

Chargers, for what it's worth, rank in the top 15 in most QB-defense stats, except sacks. But in knockdowns, pressures, pressure %, they are better than average.

In QB knockdowns%, the Ravens and Jags rank 1st and 3rd, while the 49ers rank 21th.

In pressure%, the 49ers are 2nd, the Jags are 6th and the Bears are 7th, only 2% behind.

The Chiefs have seen plenty of good pass rushing DLs. Though a high percentage of those games were actually played by our back-ups and not our current starting OL.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...rb-2019-season

How 49ers rookie Nick Bosa made PFF history with superb 2019 season

By Jessica Kleinschmidt January 02, 2020 1:39 PM

"Nick Bosa isn't just great -- he's historically great.

Pro Football Focus noted the 49ers rookie broke records with his 80 total pressures during the regular season. That is 14 more than any other edge defender has had as a rookie ... ever. This makes it an easy call for PFF to name Bosa as their Defensive Rookie of the Year.

He reached those 80 pressures with 10 sacks, 18 QB hits, and 52 QB pressures.

Bosa is a cut above the rest, and PFF also notes that when looking at total pressures by pass-rushing snaps (rookie edge defenders only), he ranks fourth, behind only Aldon Smith, Von Miller and his older brother, Joey Bosa. Baby Bosa played more snaps in his rookie season, which put him higher overall number.

When you take a look at that impressive group of players that he is included in, it only adds more value and reasoning behind the pick for rookie of the year."

We were up 35 - 10 last year at halftime against them. Robert Saleh was DC, Kyle Shannahan was HC, Jimmy G was QB, the only differences now are essentially Kwon Alexander and Nick Bosa. Those are facts, they can talk around it as much as they want but if Andy didn't go into turtle mode for the second half we would've hung a 50 on them easy and blown them out of KC. Usually I'm not against the national sports media but they're ****ing crazy. Half of them say that the 49ers defense will get to Mahomes and contain him, and the other half say that the weapons make Mahomes, not Mahomes' making the weapons. They're ****ing dumb.

I was trying to think of a defense outside of the Pats that have given us fits and I know Pat had like 5 turnovers that game and Donald and the other DE (can't think of his name) had a big game. Yet Pat put up 50.

But statistically the 49ers as a whole were much better this year than the Rams D last year.

Um...you realize you just gutted your own argument, right?

I'll give you a hint - maybe go ahead and take a look at how PFF graded the respective Bosas this year.

It isn't gonna go how you think it will...

Nick Bosa is one of the best rookies I’ve ever seen.

He’s not better than his brother yet. He will be, but to say he’s already significantly better is a joke.

Say something with some real bite, pussy

That weak shit ain’t getting it here... what were you doing in 1995 anyway, getting to first base with your boyfriend?

Haha, yeah, your meme was a real killer there champ.... jaws size bite!

Dee Ford has switched teams. Chiefs have lost Kareem Hunt, but they did gain Tyreek Junior in Mecole Hardman. Chiefs defense is better than a year ago thanks to Honey Badger, Clark, Pennel, Suggs, and of course the new DC Spags.

Now, now, gangbangyourmom....there you go being aggressive..... Are we gonna revert to earlier form??

Read this part again:

"Pro Football Focus noted the 49ers rookie broke records with his 80 total pressures during the regular season. That is 14 more than any other edge defender has had as a rookie ... ever. This makes it an easy call for PFF to name Bosa as their Defensive Rookie of the Year."

PFF gave Joey a better grade in 2019 you dumbass.

That’s what he’s trying to tell you.

Nick Bosa touches sea coral with his oily bare hands.

And they still had Joey graded higher in 2019.

Try again.

Buy 'em books and they'll just eat the pages, man...

Now we have to care if Nick Bosa gets to be RDPOY?

And you got Bosa because we knocked your QB out for the season. You’re ****ing welcome.

We barely touched that guy? he just has weak knees, I thought.

This is something I find interesting.

In your normal game, SF seems to want to start Armstead at DE, get ahead of the sticks, and then put Ford in to pin his ears back.

But if they do that this game, they’re never going to get a good enough rush on Mahomes. Take Ford off the field and we aren’t even remotely worried anymore outside of Bosa.

So does SF start Ford and play him at a snap count in which he hasn’t most of the year? Maybe, but now you’re looking at an opportunity for KC to run right at him.

But you see, Chris Collinsworth had a better rookie year than Jerry Rice.

GOAT!!!