**** YOU VEACH!!!

Brett Veach will overpay for shit but not for elite players.

Dude is playing 4D Chess.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told the stare down continues between the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> and the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Redskins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Redskins</a> regarding LT Trent Williams. A source just text me, &quot;the Skins are still holding firm on what they want in return.&quot; Browns GM John Dorsey not bending, at this minute.</p>&mdash; ig: josinaanderson (@JosinaAnderson) <a href="https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1189252868576088064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just checked with Denver sources. They have no plans of trading Von Miller. <a href="https://t.co/oOMG4dLO0x">https://t.co/oOMG4dLO0x</a></p>&mdash; Dianna (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1189253800546230276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's going to happen 2 years in a row.....

Brady is going to go 60-65 for 300 yards against us because we won't be able to cover Michel, White, and Burkhead in the flat and when we do, it will be Edelman on a slant.

I’m not giving them a 2, but I’d gladly give them a 3. I’d think about giving up a 2 for CHJ and Derek Wolfe (if his neck checks out)

1 hour Veach!!

Veach thinks this team is good enough to win a super bowl with the players we have apparently....

So out of those being mentioned as available, who would you want and what should we pay? I'm sure we are talking but the deal can't be stupid when our window is just opening and we have others to pay.

Leveon Bell is available.

Dude is hoping to get traded. He said that jargon "We only want guys here that want to be Broncos" but that was just locker room hype chat with him trying to be a good teammate. I bet you if he got to go somewhere else to finish his career, he would be trying like hell to make it happen.

Dammit!

Jesus ****ing Christ. It's already been made blatantly clear, multiple times, that we've tried to make deals. Do you want him to just throw away more draft capital at players that are at best marginal upgrades? The one thing we desperately need is a LB, and they just aren't out there this trade cycle.

**** THIS SHIT!!!!!

55 mins!!!

Oh great, now we are stuck with Fumbles McCoy

I'm not sure we really want Veach looking for a LB. The 5 currently on the roster he brought in during the last 2 years.

Which is why I skip all of them.

Yea and they are all among the worst at there position

I’d give a 2 and 3 for Von and CHJ. Von used to play OLB in a 4-3 early in his career and is good in coverage along with adding to the pass rush. If they were younger, I’d give up much more.

It’s a pipe dream because Johns not sending them inside the division, but maybe he hates Billicheck enough to do so.

50 mins!!

There's really no one out there (rumored for trade)other than Adams that would benefit your team.

The only 'real' investment was Hitchens.

Ragland was acquired for a 4th.
ODaniel was drafted with a compensatory 3rd.
Niemann was undrafted.
Wilson was paid scrub money.
Lee was acquired for a 6th.

Time for some real investment.

I just saw Alex Mack getting groceries at Price Chopper.

WTF - dude must love cheese balls.

Exactly. Finding 3 down LB’s is just extremely difficult. There’s a reason the Steelers were so aggressive in replacing Shazier.

I wonder if we could get a decent linebacker for Fuller and a pick.

He’s obviously not in future plans here.

Usually those guys get drafted super ass high though. Probably gonna have to develop a dude there.

with the change our defense has made toward the blitz...I'd almost be happier going with an oversized safety at LB. would fit our scheme better for coverage reasons.

Yea, I mean you may get lucky and find a guy outside of the 1st like Deion Jones or Bobby Wagner, but the truth is most of those guys go in the early part of the 1st.

I don't know of any decent LB'ers that are for trade that don't have a big contract though.

Shut the **** up. Jesus Christ.

Our starting trio of LBs right now are way too ****ing slow. Ragland is actually the fastest of the 3 based on 40 time. That is hilarious and depressing.

ROFL

Yep.

Sadly, they tend to go really high if they're legit and then end up on shit teams for their career.

Sad face.

Hopefully House starts getting a return for Lee and DOD. Both have coverage ability.

KEUCHLY!!

Lber's that can play 3 downs and run are hard to find and get drafted pretty early for the most part.

Best thing to do would be to not have your LB's have to cover RB's split out wide like we seem to do.

It is so quiet right now...

You mean like Dorian O'Daniel?

Neither of them played a single defensive snap against the Packers. They preferred to trot Niemanns worthless ass out there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach when he doesn’t give up a first round pick for the first time as GM <a href="https://t.co/gEjQA0YKbJ">pic.twitter.com/gEjQA0YKbJ</a></p>&mdash; Brandon McGovern (@BMcGovern18) <a href="https://twitter.com/BMcGovern18/status/1189259362415644672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Chiefs are asking the Lbers to play more downhill and stop the run the past few games, so they're probably gonna give up some plays on it. Terez talked about it on 610 the other night.

It is what it is. They're playing aggressive and towards the LOS.

Lee played 1 I believe

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I talked about this in another thread, but our best bet is that the offense gets back to where it was and we jump out to early leads to make teams one dimensional. Then we can work around it.

If the offense does what it's supposed to do, the Chiefs are probably undefeated right now.

It's supposed to be all time and it's been no time.

But we still don’t have a LB that can cover a RB. What then?

We have to get healthy and stay that way. I don’t feel good about it, but the truth is we’re almost there.

Don't ask them to very much? I dunno.

I know not every team has a legit ILB that can cover RB's, especially when they're split out wide.

@kent_swanson: It won't cost the Chiefs a draft pick to sign Aqib Talib when the Dolphins release him.

Ogletree is damn near letter perfect.

I just don't know how they can fit him into the cap going forward. They can bite a pretty nasty bullet and June 1 Hitchens w/ marginal damage to the 2020 cap (and a pretty significant shot to the 2021 cap). He's played the Mike in a 4-3 and is a converted college safety so he's comfortable in space.

I just wish they'd lop about $3 million/season off those base salaries over the next 2 years. Paying $19 million for Ogletree over '20 and '21 doesn't do much for me, especially not with the asset cost of acquiring him.

Ogletree is probably a nice player to have at $6.5-7 million per but at $9.5 million per he's probably not gonna play to the level of his cap hit.

Use more DB’s or actually be able to play DOD or Lee.

ROFL

DOD is probably our best bet. At least among LBs.

Hopefully.

I worry about Clarks neck but other than that it's mostly soft tissue so that hopefully will be fine.

Does this guy not know how wavier wire works?

he wont be subject to waivers

All players after trade deadline are buddy

The RB's being split out wide was GB's answer to our heavy fronts and loaded box that we showed against Denver the previous week.

Gonna go heavy? Ok then we'll force those LB's into man coverage.

So what's your counter to that? Go light again and get gashed for 6 YPC every run?

There is no good answer here other than players just playing better. But im not sure how Hitchens/Ragland will magically get faster.

Our best bet is for House to earn his money and to continue to coach up the linebackers.

Clark’s neck is a weird situation. He definitely injured it in the Colts game and went back in and then played in the Broncos game before missing all of practice and the Packers game last week. I’m wondering if they just decided the time to get him healthy was now.

When you have true 'stuffer' DTs in the middle, you can probably get away with that. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them pivot in that direction next season when Jones walks.

Nnadi and another space filler (Saunders if he can get that base just a little stouter at contact) can take enough heat off the Mike that an undersized athlete might be just fine. Not DoD (he's more 'tweener' than 'hybrid', IMO), but someone with just a little more thump behind them.

Deion Jones is probably asking a bit much, but someone of a similar stripe. A 225ish lb athlete who can hold up at the point of attack but isn't necessarily going to be a monster there. Joe Schobert has been mentioned in the draft thread and yeah, he's almost exactly what I'd have in mind.

I think of Schobert as being a 'game' run defender more than I do a guy who's gonna go blowing up run plays. He's gritty and determined and finds a way to involve himself in the run even if he isn't wrecking them; not unlike DJ in a lot of ways. But he's an elite coverage backer. Jones is like that as well.

They can be found, but it's not terribly easy. And no, there's nothing remotely resembling that on this squad right now. Not with Lee having regressed to his Jets form instead of the pretty physical presence he was in the pre-season.

It's kind of why its important for the offense to do it's part. If it's just mowing people down like they were early, teams can't get us in those ****ed up spots as much.

You say that because he's the only one who hasn't shown his suck yet. YET.

But im pretty skeptical about a guy who can't get on the field as being our best bet.

Our BEST bet is D.Lee nutting up against the run.

That’s why the only solution is for the offense to be healthy/elite. Take away the running game early and get those slow LB’s off the field for the rest of the game.

That sucks about Lee, cause he did look better in the preseason. He put some weight on to be stronger I suppose and just looks slow and now can't tackle.

It sucks that Belicheck can find these dudes that can do a bit of everything on the street and we can't but that's normal.

NFL trade deadline is so boring compared to the NBA trade deadline. IMO, PIT, LAR and HOU ****ed everyone else with stupid ****ing trades.

I’m glad to see Veach is working the Phones!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Brett Veach trades 1st round pick for extra cholesterol and diabetes. (per <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a>) <a href="https://t.co/nudQ1friS6">pic.twitter.com/nudQ1friS6</a></p>&mdash; ky. DUKE HATE WEEK (@PraiseMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PraiseMahomes/status/1189261131602386944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How are any of those trades stupid?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A deal for Jamal Adams is not done, but the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cowboys?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cowboys</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a> are indeed still talking. <br><br>I asked a Cowboys front office source if a 1st &amp; 3rd would be compensation they&#39;d consider for Adams.<br><br>His response: &quot;We wouldn&#39;t do that.&quot;</p>&mdash; Mike Leslie (@MikeLeslieWFAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/1189256318667935744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">penbrook is reeruned</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)</blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Are you talking about Schobert from the Browns?

If so, is there a possibility of getting him?

He's pretty good in coverage and can play the run.

ROFL

Overpaying draft capital thus setting the market at exorbitantly ridiculous prices. HOU not as much as LAR and PIT. PIT doesn't even make sense, they're going nowhere.

Trade a 2 for con miller who's magically a coverage bscker?

Some of you guys post the dumbest shit LMAO

Breat Veach trades first round pick for Five Guys.

He does have good taste in food. Hopefully he can find a LB who works there

I thought the Minka trade was good for Pit.

Well, he got Five Guys in the deal. Surely one of them will work out.