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The Franchise 06-23-2017 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928863)
Brett Veach was a scout in Philly for the Southeast region. He banged on the table for Fletcher Cox.
Andy assigned him to look WR's in 2008. Eagles drafted DeSean Jackson that year.

I wouldn't sleep on Veach. He seems to be pretty good at player evaluation.
Yeah, but how is he with contracts? That seemed to be Dorsey's downfall.

mcaj22 06-23-2017 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928863)
Brett Veach was a scout in Philly for the Southeast region. He banged on the table for Fletcher Cox.
Andy assigned him to look WR's in 2008. Eagles drafted DeSean Jackson that year.

I wouldn't sleep on Veach. He seems to be pretty good at player evaluation.
still doesnt answer the cap managment problem

nychief 06-23-2017 01:55 PM
next offseason we can cut DJ, Tamba and Asmith to open up the cap. They need to get Marcus done soon.

NJChiefsFan 06-23-2017 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12928836)
Who holds in the playoffs.

Fisher is average.
Who would you have drafted?

JakeF 06-23-2017 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12928865)
Yeah, but how is he with contracts? That seemed to be Dorsey's downfall.
Contracts were absolutely a Dorsey weakness but you don't fire him for it. Hire a capologist and contract guy to help him learn. His eye for talent is just too good to dump so frivolously.

raybec 4 06-23-2017 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12928841)
Donovan is a snake.
Based on what?

The Franchise 06-23-2017 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12928904)
Contracts were absolutely a Dorsey weakness but you don't fire him for it. Hire a capologist and contract guy to help him learn. His eye for talent is just too good to dump so frivolously.
No shit, I wasn't claiming that he should have been fired for that. I was simply asking how Veach would be. It would ****ing pointless to can Dorsey for contract issues and then hire a replacement that could easily do the same thing.

L.A. Chieffan 06-23-2017 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928616)
Just got a text back. Here is what is going through the grapevine from people in the know.
Just so you know Clay is stealing your shit and putting it on Twitter

Hammock Parties 06-23-2017 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 12928919)
Just so you know Clay is stealing your shit and putting it on Twitter
You dipshit. This report deserves to be flung far and wide. I didn't claim credit. I said it was from the grapevine. Get a grip.

L.A. Chieffan 06-23-2017 02:23 PM
I don't really care just give credit. Oh and I was right about Hill lol

Hammock Parties 06-23-2017 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 12928923)
I don't really care just give credit. Oh and I was right about Hill lol
No one ****ing knows who "RunKC of Chiefsplanet fame" is. Saying it's from the grapevine/rumor mill is fine.

L.A. Chieffan 06-23-2017 02:25 PM
Oh touched a nerve nobody knows who the **** Clay Wendler is either. You could've just said you saw it on Chiefs Planet in the first place.

Hammock Parties 06-23-2017 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 12928926)
You could've just said you saw it on Chiefs Planet in the first place.
If you want to immediately discredit a rumor that's a great idea.

staylor26 06-23-2017 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12928899)
Who would you have drafted?
They never have a good answer for that

threebag 06-23-2017 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928272)
It's amazing how people kiss Clark's ass. This is his fault 100%.

You don't like Dorsey? Fire him after the season and hire Ballard. The fact that we lost BOTH Ballard and Dorsey is not good. It's bad management.
Well Dorsey should have reported the moves to Clark

RunKC 06-23-2017 02:43 PM
I don't care if Clay posted it. I don't work there anymore and I doubt my old boss won't even know about this .

I was told one last thing but I don't know if I want to tell you guys because you'll be as pissed off as me

Hammock Parties 06-23-2017 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928953)
I was told one last thing but I don't know if I want to tell you guys because you'll be as pissed off as me
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staylor26 06-23-2017 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928953)
I don't care if Clay posted it. I don't work there anymore and I doubt my old boss won't even know about this .

I was told one last thing but I don't know if I want to tell you guys because you'll be as pissed off as me
Tell us man. Let's hear it

The Franchise 06-23-2017 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928953)
I don't care if Clay posted it. I don't work there anymore and I doubt my old boss won't even know about this .

I was told one last thing but I don't know if I want to tell you guys because you'll be as pissed off as me
Out with it, man.

prhom 06-23-2017 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12928935)
They never have a good answer for that
Not arguing against the Fisher pick, because that was a terrible year to have first overall, but DeAndre Hopkins would have been a better choice and would have likely kept us away from the Maclin debacle. People would have really flipped out if that would have been the pick.

staylor26 06-23-2017 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 12928968)
Not arguing against the Fisher pick, because that was a terrible year to have first overall, but DeAndre Hopkins would have been a better choice and would have likely kept us away from the Maclin debacle. People would have really flipped out if that would have been the pick.
Yea but that's revisionist history at its finest because he was not a top 5 prospect

RunKC 06-23-2017 03:04 PM
Okay. You've been warned...

Not groundbreaking news, but the reports that people loved Ballard weren't made to prop him up. Apparently there was not one person in KC who didn't love that guy. Clark, Donovan and Andy loved him.

He was responsible for a lot of the great moves we made as well, including Marcus peters. He's the real deal and he's with the goddamn Colts.

I hate that he's in Indy and I hate that Clark did not make this move at the end of the season to promote Ballard if what was told to me was true.

The Franchise 06-23-2017 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928976)
Okay. You've been warned...

Not groundbreaking news, but the reports that people loved Ballard weren't made to prop him up. Apparently there was not one person in KC who didn't love that guy. Clark, Donovan and Andy loved him.

He was responsible for a lot of the great moves we made as well, including Marcus peters. He's the real deal and he's with the goddamn Colts.

I hate that he's in Indy and I hate that Clark did not make this move at the end of the season to promote Ballard if what was told to me was true.
Meh....that's not that bad. If you would have given people the option to dump Dorsey and keep Ballard in his place.....a good majority of people would have told you to **** off.

Hammock Parties 06-23-2017 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928976)
Okay. You've been warned...

Not groundbreaking news, but the reports that people loved Ballard weren't made to prop him up. Apparently there was not one person in KC who didn't love that guy. Clark, Donovan and Andy loved him.

He was responsible for a lot of the great moves we made as well, including Marcus peters. He's the real deal and he's with the goddamn Colts.

I hate that he's in Indy and I hate that Clark did not make this move at the end of the season to promote Ballard if what was told to me was true.
The Clarks burned this offseason at both ends.

Jesus Christ.

prhom 06-23-2017 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 12928763)
It is a fine line. If you start earning a reputation that you are not a franchise that does right by your players, it is only a matter of time before things start going downwards. Players talk in the locker room. They talk to other players around the league. Your stars start staying away from OTA's. Players will be unwilling to talk about renegotiating contracts. An us against management mentality takes over. Agents are going to try and screw you. Guys like Marcus Peters are going to be harder to negotiate with because they know you're just going to ignore them and toss the franchise tag on them. Free agents will be unwilling to talk to you. Remember, Clark talked to Peyton Manning after he signed with Denver at one of the 101 Awards and asked him why he didn't consider the Chiefs, and the response he alluded to was that this place didn't have the best rep under Pioli at the time. I think that stuck with Clark. I doubt he wants to be there again...
I agree, it is a fine line. I doubt Manning's reluctance to consider KC was just because of Pioli, I'm sure our abysmal record and lack of talent at WR and TE had much more to do with it. Broncos had just won a playoff game with Tebow. We had the worst record in the league. Manning wanted the easiest route to winning multiple SBs in what little time he had left.

prhom 06-23-2017 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12928972)
Yea but that's revisionist history at its finest because he was not a top 5 prospect
I agree. If anything that supports the reason for your original question of who else should he have picked. If the only other first round pick that has done better was at the end of the round and wasn't projected anywhere near the top 10, you know that year was a terrible draft class. Just awful, really.

thegame214 06-23-2017 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928976)
Okay. You've been warned...

Not groundbreaking news, but the reports that people loved Ballard weren't made to prop him up. Apparently there was not one person in KC who didn't love that guy. Clark, Donovan and Andy loved him.

He was responsible for a lot of the great moves we made as well, including Marcus peters. He's the real deal and he's with the goddamn Colts.

I hate that he's in Indy and I hate that Clark did not make this move at the end of the season to promote Ballard if what was told to me was true.

There was never any doubt about Peters abilities, but more so a character issue that Dorsey and Reid even flew out to speak with him personally. How does Ballard get the trophy of being responsible for Peters to KC?

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 12928858)
Fake News-

Since 2010 the last 7 drafts, Oakland's only had five 1st rd picks and six 2nd rd picks

The Chiefs have had seven 1st rd picks and seven 2nd rd picks

Since 2010 the Raiders had 2 picks in the top 5

And the Chiefs did as well

Chiefs have had more 1st rd and 2nd rd picks than Oakland since 2010

Wut?, Wut? Whatcha got?
Shut the **** up, Dummy

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12928935)
They never have a good answer for that
Reerun is so ****ing stupid when it comes to football that he would have passed on Peyton Manning

Reerun_KC 06-23-2017 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12928982)
The Clarks burned this offseason at both ends.

Jesus Christ.
Only thing that would make this a historical off-season of fail is if Herman somehow came back into the fold.

True fans would explode with orgasmic excitement.

The cliches of herms eye for drafting talent would be off the charts.

Rain Man 06-23-2017 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928616)
Just got a text back. Here is what is going through the grapevine from people in the know.
Very interesting. This kind of makes Berry and Maclin sound like drama queens. Those types of dramas seem relatively minor to warrant firing a guy who's been the best talent acquisition guy in the league for the past several years.

Reerun_KC 06-23-2017 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12928998)
Reerun is so ****ing stupid when it comes to football that he would have passed on Peyton Manning
That's a hell of a compliment coming from you,. Thanks for your support.
:D

Ming the Merciless 06-23-2017 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thegame214 (Post 12928994)
There was never any doubt about Peters abilities, but more so a character issue that Dorsey and Reid even flew out to speak with him personally. How does Ballard get the trophy of being responsible for Peters to KC?
I don't know many specifics but there were tons of analysts and talking heads who swore we shouldnt/wouldnt take a safety that high...so If he held course and was the one insisting on going against the tradition and theory that that is too high for a S, then credit should be given...

prhom 06-23-2017 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12928976)
Okay. You've been warned...

Not groundbreaking news, but the reports that people loved Ballard weren't made to prop him up. Apparently there was not one person in KC who didn't love that guy. Clark, Donovan and Andy loved him.

He was responsible for a lot of the great moves we made as well, including Marcus peters. He's the real deal and he's with the goddamn Colts.

I hate that he's in Indy and I hate that Clark did not make this move at the end of the season to promote Ballard if what was told to me was true.
This is where the other intel about Maclin and Dorsey wanting more money being the final straw for Clark doesn't make sense. Ballard DID seem to have a lot of cheerleaders out there. Surely Clark had some inkling of what Dorsey might want for salary going forward, and the Dorsey to GB rumor came out before Ballard went to Indy, right? When it looked like Ballard was going to interview with Indy Clark should have made the move then because most the complaints he is rumored to have had about Dorsey had already happened.

I'm blaming Clark here. He may have had a succession plan in place with Ballard, but he didn't bring the Dorsey thing to a head in time to actually use it. He waited until the succession plan had collapsed and then decided that he couldn't live a moment longer with Dorsey. Talk about a mis-managed situation.

threebag 06-23-2017 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12928776)
Yesterday it was because Dorsey drafted the worst QB in the history of the NFL, as evidenced by Mahomes' minicamp. In fact, Reid was so pissed about it he had Mahomes do footwork drills in front of the media so everybody could see how awful Mahomes was so it would make Dorsey look bad.

I am not making this up.
Where there's smoke... Hopefully Mahomes comes along

Ming the Merciless 06-23-2017 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 12929011)
Where there's smoke...
shut the **** up turd

where theres smoke theres friction burns from a hairy ugly tranny with the herp just dry-ass pounding you like a demo hammer

threebag 06-23-2017 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 12928919)
Just so you know Clay is stealing your shit and putting it on Twitter
Dudes a low rent hack

thegame214 06-23-2017 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 12929005)
I don't know many specifics but there were tons of analysts and talking heads who swore we shouldnt/wouldnt take a safety that high...so If he held course and was the one insisting on going against the tradition and theory that that is too high for a S, then credit should be given...

Are you thinking of Berry? I never saw Peters labeled as a safety. Also many corners were taken before him so why would that be too high?

Ming the Merciless 06-23-2017 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by thegame214 (Post 12929016)
Are you thinking of Berry?
yes i was thinking of the berry pick

my bad

I know that pick was 'unusual' because S usually doesnt get drafted that high...i have no idea who was the one who actually scouted or made the case for that pick though..

same with peters I don't know enough about the situation to be concerned about Ballard leaving (or not concerned)

I guess for a layman without specific knowledge the idea of change (dorsey and ballard leaving) at a time when things are going OK and we seem to be prepping for a good future is a little strange and discomforting though...just generally

thegame214 06-23-2017 03:47 PM
I could be wrong, but didn't Andy have a partial say upon hiring Dorsey? I know it was publicized as all Clark, but no way we land Reid without his input. Andy probably thought John could give him the right pieces, should we trust Reid ( I mean "Clark") on finding his replacement?

Chiefs Pantalones 06-23-2017 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12928779)
KK also said that Dorsey was damaged goods because Hunt and Reid have disavowed him, and that other NFL teams might be reluctant to hire him.

Trent Green was on and basically said, in his nice way, that Kietzman was FOS.
Both 610 and 810 are so awful. 610's former athlete guests are Maas, Hughes, and the KSU guy that doesn't even watch football anymore, Lilja I think. So that's a guy that was doing coke at one point, a career special teamer and a guy that is just getting a check for nothing. They need to reboot or something. KC needs an upgrade in sports radio but with the market being like 32nd in the nation this is who you get.

ndws 06-23-2017 03:52 PM
Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer).

Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndws (Post 12929036)
Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer).

Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all.
He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.

Meatloaf 06-23-2017 04:07 PM
Now that I've digested this a bit, my next concern revolves around Dorsey's replacement. As we know, the Hunt family (and ergo the Chiefs) have been an ultra conservative group. Enter Dorsey who seemed to shoot from the hip a bit more than the"normal" Chiefs front office guy. So, is Dorsey's replacement going to be an organization friendly guy who seldom takes chances, or will it be someone a bit more free-thinking than the typical Chiefs GM. In my mind, someone going counter to the organizational personality is not all bad. Sadly, I fear we're gonna hire a former accountant as our next GM. Ugh.

Baby Lee 06-23-2017 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prhom (Post 12928692)
If that is true, then I think Clark is overvaluing the business side of being a GM and undervaluing the talent recognition side. So what if Dorsey offends the players a little when negotiating contracts. If Clark had to intervene to get the sides talking then fine. Maybe that's what he needs to be prepared to do going forward for negotiating major star contracts? Clark can help Dorsey out in that department, but he's not going to be of much use finding the next Kelce, Peters, Hill or Jones. Now, none of us know who is truly responsible for advocating for those players. Maybe those people are still with the team and we will be fine?

It just makes seems like a juvenile reason to let someone go over personality and mgmt style when they are producing a high quality product on the field. Do people love the Pats because Belichik is a nice guy and people think highly of the franchise? No, it's because they win championships. They win championships because they have Brady and can find talent in the draft and in strategic cheap free agents. I thought we were well on our way to replicating that model if Mahomes pans out, but now I have no idea. We will find out is Dorsey or Ballard were the keys to our draft and fa hits or if that person/people are still around.
This!! If this scuttlebutt has any accuracy, anyone who takes an emotional Berry over Dorsey on this issue can eat my whole asshole the next time they complain that we can't compete with the Pats, or that the Pats' dominance is unfair.

ToxSocks 06-23-2017 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929044)
He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.
That's silly. Finding diamonds is what allows a team to not have to fill holes with vets and pay for over priced FA's.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 04:13 PM
Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.

ToxSocks 06-23-2017 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929063)
Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.
That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.

srvy 06-23-2017 04:20 PM
All these scenarios but none seem logical. This seems like it came on fast or no way they let Ballard walk if they knew the ax was soon to fall. You just dont let a guy like Dorsey go unless it was really really bad. Insubordination and loyalty could be the deal on this one and it may of boiled down to GB and other teams. Once he was caught the first time he surely was given a warning from CHunt. If he was caught a second time that is insubordination and being disloyal a cardinal sin to the Hunts.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12929065)
That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.
What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929063)
Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.
Completely false.

Which linebackers were available this year that would have been upgrades?

The Chiefs weren't shelling out another $40 million dollar deal to a free agent guard when they extended LDT this year, extended Fisher last year and brought in Schwartz on a $30 million dollar deal in 2016 as well.

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929075)
What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.
Denver has QB's on rookie deals. Remove Alex Smith's contract and the Chiefs have $28 million in space immediately.

Silly comparison.

thegame214 06-23-2017 04:24 PM
Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.

ToxSocks 06-23-2017 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929075)
What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12929078)
Denver has QB's on rookie deals. Remove Alex Smith's contract and the Chiefs have $28 million in space immediately.

Silly comparison.
And i would like to add that yes, we have premiere players on this roster. If your plan is to keep premiere players then you must pay up.

And yes, comparing it to something like Denver or Oakland is silly. Just wait until these teams have to pay for the contracts coming due.

Look no further than Seattle after Wilson got paid.

threebag 06-23-2017 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thegame214 (Post 12929079)
Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.
Looks like the Walrus has seen his shadow, four more years of Alex Smith

-King- 06-23-2017 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12929065)
That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.
That's not why we're in the hole. We're in the hole because of stupid contracts like Hali's and because Dorsey slacked on Berry's contract last year. There are other teams with talent that still have money available.
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BlackHelicopters 06-23-2017 04:47 PM
Dorsey should consider himself fortunate the Hunt family didn't give him cement loafers and toss him in the Missouri.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12929101)
That's not why we're in the hole. We're in the hole because of stupid contracts like Hali's and because Dorsey slacked on Berry's contract last year. There are other teams with talent that still have money available.
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No no no. I was assured I was wrong as you must be. We are in cap hell every year because we have too much talent, Not because of bad contracts.

BossChief 06-23-2017 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12928689)
So Clark is the one who saved Berry. Clark is the real MVP here! No one here should be mad at Clark
He also pushed for the Bowe extension as well as the Alex Smith extension.

mcaj22 06-23-2017 05:19 PM
Dorsey was definitely going to send Alex packing next year and now I bet he stays and gets that 20 million in 2018 cause Clark and Andy have feelings for the players

what a shame, I miss cutthroat Dorsey already

penbrook 06-23-2017 05:21 PM
At the time the Smith extension was the best thing. Name me a better QB at that time

BossChief 06-23-2017 05:23 PM
I'm gonna be sad if he ends up in LA with the Chargers, or replaces Elway in Denver.

Still pissed Clark didn't pony up the cash to lock down Dorsey for the next 50 years.

This is the first move Clark has made that I really don't like.

notorious 06-23-2017 05:25 PM
If Dorsey wasn't horrible at the cap we would still have Maclin and Poe.


Just Sayin'.

TribalElder 06-23-2017 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 12929102)
Dorsey should consider himself fortunate the Hunt family didn't give him cement loafers and toss him in the Missouri.
Except Clark hunt ain't mafioso

BossChief 06-23-2017 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12929139)
If Dorsey wasn't horrible at the cap we would still have Maclin and Poe.


Just Sayin'.
Letting Poe walk had nothing to do with Cap space.

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12929139)
If Dorsey wasn't horrible at the cap we would still have Maclin and Poe.


Just Sayin'.
Poe has been declining since his 2015 back surgery and would have been a terrible extension, IMO.

Logan signed for $8 million, the same as Poe did in Atlanta, so the cap had nothing to do with it.

Maclin was declining and overpaid as well.

BlackHelicopters 06-23-2017 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 12929141)
Except Clark hunt ain't mafioso
Keep telling yourself this. The Mafia runs the NFL.

thegame214 06-23-2017 05:30 PM
No matter who is GM, Mahomes starts next year. Alexs contract makes it easy decision.

Chiefshrink 06-23-2017 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 12929071)
All these scenarios but none seem logical. This seems like it came on fast or no way they let Ballard walk if they knew the ax was soon to fall. You just dont let a guy like Dorsey go unless it was really really bad. Insubordination and loyalty could be the deal on this one and it may of boiled down to GB and other teams. Once he was caught the first time he surely was given a warning from CHunt. If he was caught a second time that is insubordination and being disloyal a cardinal sin to the Hunts.
This is my theory as well. This was all too fast, unexpected and dare I say possibly 'impulsive' on Clark's part. But that remains to be seen. And all the side drama didn't help Dorsey either i.e. to contracts. What is bolded above is the big tell and why this "did" catch Dorsey off guard. Dorsey didn't respect "Richie Cunningham" and then Richie showed Dorsey who was really the Fonz here IMHO.:D

Good analysis srvy !!:clap:

BossChief 06-23-2017 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12929146)
Poe has been declining since his 2015 back surgery and would have been a terrible extension, IMO.

Logan signed for $8 million, the same as Poe did in Atlanta, so the cap had nothing to do with it.

Maclin was declining and overpaid as well.
Seriously.

Moving on from Maclin and Poe were good moves.

Poe reminds of of the defensive Branden Albert...back problems and very inconsistent.

Look how that played out.

Maclin got a 2/11 deal with minimal guarantees...there was an article a couple days ago saying he lost a step.

Saying either move was because of the salary cap is silly.

Chiefshrink 06-23-2017 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 12929018)

I know that pick was 'unusual' because S usually doesnt get drafted that high...
You are correct BUT remember that Ed Reed and Troy P had been roasting teams for several years prior and any team would give a top five pick for either one of those guys and who Berry was being compared to. Just saying.

Chiefshrink 06-23-2017 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12929156)
Seriously.

Moving on from Maclin and Poe were good moves.

Poe reminds of of the defensive Branden Albert...back problems and very inconsistent.

Look how that played out.

Maclin got a 2/11 deal with minimal guarantees...there was an article a couple days ago saying he lost a step.

Saying either move was because of the salary cap is silly.
:clap:

BossChief 06-23-2017 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12929153)
This is my theory as well. This was all too fast, unexpected and dare I say possibly 'impulsive' on Clark's part. But that remains to be seen. And all the side drama didn't help Dorsey either i.e. to contracts. What is bolded above is the big tell and why this "did" catch Dorsey off guard. Dorsey didn't respect "Richie Cunningham" and then Richie showed Dorsey who was really the Fonz here IMHO.:D

Good analysis srvy !!:clap:
It wasn't impulsive.

78m in dead money in 4 years
Media leaked rumors of JD wanting to go to GB as GM
Been working on extension for months
Firing Maclin via VM
Lots of bad contracts


Andy/Clark hired Dorsey, now they need to find the next Dorsey.

Until the new guy is announced, I'm gonna reserve judgement.

The last 2 GMs Clark hired were considered the best available applicant available.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-23-2017 05:43 PM
What I find endlessly fascinating about this place is how quickly about 85% of the posters will turn on someone once they are no longer part of the tribe.

kgrund 06-23-2017 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12929163)
What I find endlessly fascinating about this place is how quickly about 85% of the posters will turn on someone once they are no longer part of the tribe.
It is called human nature.😁

Baby Lee 06-23-2017 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12929163)
What I find endlessly fascinating about this place is how quickly about 85% of the posters will turn on someone once they are no longer part of the tribe.
No me. Right about now, mommy Clark just dropped daddy Dorsey off at the Ramada Inn 'for a break' and left us sitting in front of Mork&Mindy with a Swanson frozen dinner.

I'm hoping daddy finds a new mommy who isn't such a raging c[h]unt.

BossChief 06-23-2017 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12929163)
What I find endlessly fascinating about this place is how quickly about 85% of the posters will turn on someone once they are no longer part of the tribe.
I hate the fact that Clark fired John. I'm not sure you mean me, I often get misunderstood as I point out both sides of an argument.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-23-2017 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12929168)
I hate the fact that Clark fired John. I'm not sure you mean me, I often get misunderstood as I point out both sides of an argument.
No; I think you are actually pretty fair, albeit prone to a bit of optimism :). Overall, though, there are a lot of people throwing a shitload of dirt on Dorsey when I would bet if I put up an approval poll 48 hours ago 80-90% of the posters would have thought he was an excellent GM.

Chiefshrink 06-23-2017 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12929162)

Media leaked rumors of JD wanting to go to GB as GM
Been working on extension for months
So are you saying JD wanted to leak this to the press as to put pressure on Clark to get a deal done much sooner then, regardless of Dorsey's dream job desire in GB?

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12929171)
No; I think you are actually pretty fair, albeit prone to a bit of optimism :). Overall, though, there are a lot of people throwing a shitload of dirt on Dorsey when I would bet if I put up an approval poll 48 hours ago 80-90% of the posters would have thought he was an excellent GM.
I wish this move had hadn't happened. But considering the info posted by RunKC and the logical conclusion that Dorsey wanted an escape clause, I can understand why it happened.

If everything Run posted is true (and I have no doubt that it's false), the relationship between Clark Hunt and John Dorsey was toxic.

As much as I imagine I'll miss Dorsey, a toxic relationship can only negatively affect a team's chance at a Super Bowl run.


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