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DaneMcCloud 11-06-2016 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12534897)
I'd handle most of his flaws if he fixed the red zone issues. Way too many headscratching play calls down there.

He tries to "outthink" the opposing DC's.

He can do this because his defenses, historically, are capable of making up the difference.

That said, I always cringe when they're in the Red Zone.

Anyong Bluth 11-06-2016 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12534073)
Foles is capable of stretching the field better than Smith. If they are almost the same player then I choose Foles. He actually threw a td today that was a big factor is us winning. Smith would not have even attempted that throw.

Punting stretches the field? Because if you go 1 for 13 on 3rd, that's what you are going to be doing.

DaneMcCloud 11-06-2016 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12534840)
I was a big QB guy until today. In this system in wouldn't waste the picks on a QB. No way no how.

Welcome to today's NFL.

The Jets and Broncos are starting 7th rounders. The Browns a 3rd rounder, as are the Seahawks.

I could go on and on (Brady, hello!) but the bottom line is that QB's a found everywhere.

Stop with the obsession.

DaneMcCloud 11-06-2016 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12534073)
Foles is capable of stretching the field better than Smith. If they are almost the same player then I choose Foles. He actually threw a td today that was a big factor is us winning. Smith would not have even attempted that throw.

No offense but that's just dumb as ****.

threebag 11-06-2016 08:06 PM

Milk it for all its worth Tuckdaddy LMAO

Anyong Bluth 11-06-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12534915)
He tries to "outthink" the opposing DC's.

He can do this because his defenses, historically, are capable of making up the difference.

That said, I always cringe when they're in the Red Zone.

Yes.

Sometimes you just need to line up and whip ass like Shields on Lewis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oRy0p5Byo&sns

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-06-2016 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12534790)
I'm a streaky guy. I had a pretty good run of WRONG some years, back but I am currently on a pretty impressive win% of correctness.
I don't know how long that's going to last but I have a gut feeling that a first round pick is going to be spent on a quarterback either this offseason or the next

I can just feel it.

I kinda' hope you're wrong, because I've yet to see or be informed of talent worthy of that pick this coming year.

But hey, I'm game.

Reerun_KC 11-06-2016 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12534932)
Welcome to today's NFL.

The Jets and Broncos are starting 7th rounders. The Browns a 3rd rounder, as are the Seahawks.

I could go on and on (Brady, hello!) but the bottom line is that QB's a found everywhere.

Stop with the obsession.

Exactly. Especially when. Youre running reverse inside the redzone.

You don't need a elite caliber QB. You need a solid game manager.. we have that and we can outsmart any DC any time.

trd84 11-06-2016 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12535020)
Exactly. Especially when. Youre running reverse inside the redzone.

You don't need a elite caliber QB. You need a solid game manager.. we have that and we can outsmart any DC any time.

we have the players, including the QB, that could be a consistently good offense. Andy just has to trust them to make plays over his cute play calling.

we've had success when we attack the chains on 3rd down or passing into the endzone, when in the redzone. andy just loves trying to outsmart teams with cute play calling. and it doesn't work against good d's

raybec 4 11-06-2016 11:37 PM

Anyone who watched Foles wildly inaccurate throws, (especially in the end zone to Hill) and blame Reid, or think Alex wouldn't have done better is being intentionally obtuse.

trd84 11-06-2016 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12535792)
Anyone who watched Foles wildly inaccurate throws, (especially in the end zone to Hill) and blame Reid, or think Alex wouldn't have done better is being intentionally obtuse.

I agree that Alex is better but still think Andy's play calling has held this offense back. not much in this game besides that one redzone trip.

saphojunkie 11-07-2016 08:27 AM

That was a pretty damn bad outing by Foles.

Back to wanting a first round QB!

Reerun_KC 11-07-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12535990)
That was a pretty damn bad outing by Foles.

Back to wanting a first round QB!



NO need with this style of offense that Big Andy likes to run... Its more of a plug and play with same style regardless of the QB.

Marcellus 11-07-2016 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12535020)
Exactly. Especially when. Youre running reverse inside the redzone.

You don't need a elite caliber QB. You need a solid game manager.. we have that and we can outsmart any DC any time.

I about threw my shoe through my TV with that stupid play call.

Marcellus 11-07-2016 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12535792)
Anyone who watched Foles wildly inaccurate throws, (especially in the end zone to Hill) and blame Reid, or think Alex wouldn't have done better is being intentionally obtuse.

Its simply the fact that many people want to be so right that Smith isn't the best QB option available right now that they will make every excuse in the book to play someone else regardless of the outcome.

And then when someone like Foles obviously stinks it up the defense is he is now worse than Smith which is just ridiculous.

We already went down this road with Booger but nobody remembers that.

Smith isn't elite, but he is the best we have right now and he is better than he gets credit for.

Reerun_KC 11-07-2016 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12536021)
I about threw my shoe through my TV with that stupid play call.

Smith, Foles, Bray, Murray, Daniels, ETC.... It doesnt matter who the QB is. Stat lines dont lie and the play calling isnt changing...

Reerun_KC 11-07-2016 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12536029)
Its simply the fact that many people want to be so right that Smith isn't the best QB option available right now that they will make every excuse in the book to play someone else regardless of the outcome.

And then when someone like Foles obviously stinks it up the defense is he is now worse than Smith which is just ridiculous.

We already went down this road with Booger but nobody remembers that.

Smith isn't elite, but he is the best we have right now and he is better than he gets credit for.

It proves that the QB in really interchangeable at this point...

Two wildly different QB's, completely different skillsets, same statistical results and a W...

Yesterdays games was a repeat of the last 4 years of Reid.. A regular season game that left you glad for the W and frustrated for the future.

DJ's left nut 11-07-2016 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12534331)
Yep. No matter who is under center. Same game plan. Foles, Smith , drunk monkey, masturbatory true fan. Results the same.

Foles was Alex Smith today. Carbon copy.

If Smith's under center the game doesn't come down to how good Telvin Smith's hands are.

I feel like people are overlooking what was unquestionably the worst play of the game because it didn't get held onto. Foles stared down his read in the middle of the field, Smith just baited him and broke on the the ball. If he catches it, it's probably a pick 6 and the Jags take the lead with about 4 minutes left to go. And Telvin Smith is a damn good football player; not knowing where he was on that play would be similar to just blowing off DJ on a key late-down drive. He had to know Smith was there and he just didn't.

THAT is the play that keeps Foles in a backup role. It wasn't even the braindead hurl in the first quarter; that play is recoverable. It was that throw that had backbreaking pick written all over it.

And another one that may not have looked as obvious on TV may show up when the All 22 comes out - the play that Kelce was OOB on because he bobbled it. Kelce was camped out over there and had a nice chance for a catch and run if Foles hits him on time. Instead Foles was indecisive and felt a little phantom pressure, he rolled into it and had to fire late. By then, the defense had started to come over to Kelce and Kelce had lost his rhythm on the route.

Foles was adequate today but he was exactly what he appears to be; a guy that's just not consistently dangerous enough downfield for his aggression to overcome his erratic decision-making and accuracy.

ToxSocks 11-08-2016 11:24 AM

My wife called me up yesterday and said that her customer told her that he went to HS with Nick Foles.

He said his nickname in high school was "Foot Long Foles".....heh.

MahiMike 11-08-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12538651)
My wife called me up yesterday and said that her customer told her that he went to HS with Nick Foles.

He said his nickname in high school was "Foot Long Foles".....heh.

Nick the Dick?

temper11 11-08-2016 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12536057)
If Smith's under center the game doesn't come down to how good Telvin Smith's hands are.

I feel like people are overlooking what was unquestionably the worst play of the game because it didn't get held onto. Foles stared down his read in the middle of the field, Smith just baited him and broke on the the ball. If he catches it, it's probably a pick 6 and the Jags take the lead with about 4 minutes left to go. And Telvin Smith is a damn good football player; not knowing where he was on that play would be similar to just blowing off DJ on a key late-down drive. He had to know Smith was there and he just didn't.

THAT is the play that keeps Foles in a backup role. It wasn't even the braindead hurl in the first quarter; that play is recoverable. It was that throw that had backbreaking pick written all over it.

And another one that may not have looked as obvious on TV may show up when the All 22 comes out - the play that Kelce was OOB on because he bobbled it. Kelce was camped out over there and had a nice chance for a catch and run if Foles hits him on time. Instead Foles was indecisive and felt a little phantom pressure, he rolled into it and had to fire late. By then, the defense had started to come over to Kelce and Kelce had lost his rhythm on the route.

Foles was adequate today but he was exactly what he appears to be; a guy that's just not consistently dangerous enough downfield for his aggression to overcome his erratic decision-making and accuracy.

Nice post.

TimBone 11-08-2016 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12534747)
Seriously since the team Hired Reid, the guy has put together the most epic streak of fail in the history of CP.

Why do you guys ban him? it is ****ing glorious to watch.

I lost 6 months out of the year that I own his Av and sig because he was either banned or whatever.

You guys are interfering with one of the greatest runs of ineptitude I have ever seen.

His constant predictions of chiefs failure almost guarantee their success....

This is one of the best posts about Clay ever. 100% true.

Rausch 11-08-2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12536057)
If Smith's under center the game doesn't come down to how good Telvin Smith's hands are.

I feel like people are overlooking what was unquestionably the worst play of the game because it didn't get held onto. Foles stared down his read in the middle of the field, Smith just baited him and broke on the the ball. If he catches it, it's probably a pick 6 and the Jags take the lead with about 4 minutes left to go. And Telvin Smith is a damn good football player; not knowing where he was on that play would be similar to just blowing off DJ on a key late-down drive. He had to know Smith was there and he just didn't.

THAT is the play that keeps Foles in a backup role. It wasn't even the braindead hurl in the first quarter; that play is recoverable. It was that throw that had backbreaking pick written all over it.

And another one that may not have looked as obvious on TV may show up when the All 22 comes out - the play that Kelce was OOB on because he bobbled it. Kelce was camped out over there and had a nice chance for a catch and run if Foles hits him on time. Instead Foles was indecisive and felt a little phantom pressure, he rolled into it and had to fire late. By then, the defense had started to come over to Kelce and Kelce had lost his rhythm on the route.

Foles was adequate today but he was exactly what he appears to be; a guy that's just not consistently dangerous enough downfield for his aggression to overcome his erratic decision-making and accuracy.

Exactly.

I think people need to keep things in perspective.

For a game where Maclin and Kelcee both left, our 3rd string HB was in, and and we had to win with our b/u QB he did fine. He did ok for a b/u. He did more positive than negative but didn't do a whole lot. Passing grade.

For a starting QB he looked pretty poor for much of the day.

Good thing he's a better-than-average b/u and not our regular starting QB...

NJChiefsFan 11-08-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12534915)
He tries to "outthink" the opposing DC's.

He can do this because his defenses, historically, are capable of making up the difference.

That said, I always cringe when they're in the Red Zone.

He really does appear to be afraid of letting the DC figure out what he is doing. Sometimes you just have to make the defense stop you, and not stop yourself worried about staying 1 step ahead. Sometimes on a 3-2 count you just throw your fastball because it's your best pitch and you don't worry about if the hitter knows it's coming.

Molitoth 11-08-2016 01:34 PM

While you guys are ragging on Reid, I have to temporarily stand in your corner.
His play calling drives me ****ing bonkers.

I'm all about being Unpredictable... but hot damn some of the calls in the red zone are just utter garbage.

New World Order 11-08-2016 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12538651)
My wife called me up yesterday and said that her customer told her that he went to HS with Nick Foles.

He said his nickname in high school was "Foot Long Foles".....heh.


He's goin' deep.

carcosa 11-10-2016 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12538651)
My wife called me up yesterday and said that her customer told her that he went to HS with Nick Foles.

He said his nickname in high school was "Foot Long Foles".....heh.

He must love Subway sandwichs!!!! yum yum

Simply Red 11-10-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12545542)
He must love Subway sandwichs!!!! yum yum

ROFL

Reerun_KC 11-10-2016 06:43 PM

Reid's redzone play calling will be the single main cause for us either missing the playoffs or getting bounced rather quickly.

Playoff defenses and DCs are not scared of Reid imploding himself...

Rasputin 11-10-2016 07:44 PM

I don't care to see Foles anymore. Ride rest of season with Alex Smith and hope our defense is championship and we Trent Dilfer our way to Super Bowl victory.


Has anyone ever mention drafting a quarterback in first couple of rounds in the draft?

DJ's left nut 11-11-2016 12:04 PM

MN Chiefs fan noted the same play I did in his all-22 breakdown.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1...-all-22-review

That was an amazingly awful play and it only looks worse from the reverse angle. Jesus - what the hell was he doing? And I didn't notice his feet on that throw to Kelce (which, in his defense, was an amazing throw).

Solid read, wish there were a few more video clips though.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-11-2016 12:14 PM

That late game "near pick6" wasn't even close. Dude had to dive to barely get a hand to swat it away.was a great defensive play by Smith.

carcosa 11-11-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12545808)
ROFL

YSN!

DJ's left nut 11-11-2016 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12547096)
That late game "near pick6" wasn't even close. Dude had to dive to barely get a hand to swat it away.was a great defensive play by Smith.

If he doesn't stutter step, it's right in his mits. It hit him in the forearm; it wouldn't have taken a dive as much as he just needed to not take that false step at the last second.

He broke before Foles even started his throw because Foles absolutely stared a hole through Hill.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-11-2016 01:17 PM

Well it wasn't even close to the Parker muff. Now THAT is a drop.

DJ's left nut 11-11-2016 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12547226)
Well it wasn't even close to the Parker muff. Now THAT is a drop.

Yeah.

Parker was...uh...not good. He had a game shortly after the Buffalo game that he pretty much won for us and we shifted him briefly back to corner; it was probably the worst game I'd ever seen him play.

This one beat it. I don't think I've ever seen Parker play as poorly as he played in that game. Was it two plays after the Muff that he managed to lose Robinson in the 2 seconds and 10 yards that Robinson had to work with for the TD? I mean shit man, you knew they had to go to the endzone and had to go quickly, how can you not manage to keep an eye on Robinson for long enough to prevent that?

And then there was that time that Ivory took his soul.

It was a tough, tough day for Ron Parker.


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