I don't think that one person's comment on the internet "debunks" what Driver told GQ magazine.

I wouldn't think Driver would be dumb enough to drop a huge spoiler like that in the middle of an interview. I mean, they've surely been pounded over the head with what they can and cannot reveal to the public. That just doesn't seem like it could be an accidental oops slip.

The quote was taken out of context. He's referring to the Princess from Hidden Fortress.

At this point it sure feels like it's gearing up to be just that.

Unless you have the November 2nd edition of GQ magazine and are able to scan and upload the interview, your statement is pure speculation.

Or it could be that Lucasfilm has decided to reveal a bit more about Rey's character before Episode VIII in order to drum up more business.

Right now, it's tracking behind Episode VII, which is why we're seeing more and more trailers and interviews.

:facepalm:

He's clearly referring to the Princess from Hidden Fortress.

He's not talking about Rey at ALL.

She isn't hiding her identity from anyone. She doesn't know who she is.

Clearly, huh?

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article...-the-last-jedi

"You have, also, the hidden identity of this princess who's hiding who she really is so she can survive and Kylo Ren and her hiding behind these artifices," Driver says, apparently dropping a massive revelation about Rey's royal origins.

Yeah, crystal clear that he's talking about something altogether different.

Stupendous Wave thinks Rey and Luke go at each other, based on the new trailer

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Yeah, he's talking about...the princess...from hidden fortress...who was hiding her identity.

He's drawing a parallel between his character and the princess from Hidden Fortress.

I mean...that's not obvious to you? Not once has Rey attempted to hide her identity from anyone. SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER IDENTITY IS. ROFL

Whatever. Agree to disagree. I don't know how you make that leap from this quote, especially when he says "Kylo Ren and her".

"the hidden identity of this princess, who's hiding who she really is so she can survive, and Kylo Ren and her hiding behind these artifices"

Another angle

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I guess you would call me a casual Star Wars fan, as what I know of star wars is only what has been in the movies (which i've watched a million times). As a fan of GOT, I find that I'd like to take a deeper dive into star wars, but the animated stuff just doesn't grab me and I find that I have to force myself to watch them. Is there another avenue for me to take a deeper dive here and if so, can you recommend how to do it (i.e. book series, or something)?

Thanks,

Because...he's talking...about...the female princess...from hidden fortress..

He's comparing...that character...to Kylo Ren. Hence "Kylo Ren and her."

The author of that story is just trying to drum up controversy by taking the quote out of context.

Proof, other than some nitwit on Tumblr?

Of course we're all forgetting that technically Luke is a prince. His mother is / was Queen Amandala. So both he and Leia are royalty.

Yes a stretch...

It’s called reading comprehension. They were talking about hidden fortress in the interview, not Rey. The author totally clickbaited a quote out of context.

Chris Connely on StarWars.com
 

Not sure if it was related here, but you all might like to check out Chris C's interview on StarWars.com.

http://www.starwars.com/video/the-ma...e-of-star-wars

I have no idea where you're getting your information, as it wasn't in the link that I provided.

It's in the article itself.

https://i.imgur.com/7Garnop.jpg

He's talking about the Princess from the Hidden Fortress.

The author is butt****ing moron trying to link it to Rey.

Excellent, thank you!

I'm really not sure I can handle an on-screen death for Luke.

However, IF he goes out guns blazing and showing what a monumental badass he eventually became, I can handle it. I need it to be even more awe-inspiring than Vader kicking ass and taking names in Rogue One.

Do not let Luke turn into a pussy husk and then die for shits and giggles. If he goes home on his shield, I'll be okay with that (since we're pretty sure at this point that he's just living a miserable existence and kinda waiting for death).

That seems like a super simple, kinda stupid take on it and presumes the trailer is 100% honest and literal.

I'm sure the burning home is a flashback kind of sequence of the destroyed Jedi Temple and not 'Rey destroying his home'. And as has been noted, she's putting the light saber down in that shot, they've just reversed it for the trailer.

Not much worth taking away from that one, to be honest.

They probably have some kind of conflict, just not actual combat.

I'm sure. And hell, that may be the end of an actual 'sparring' session. But the video sure seems to be acting as though that's her gearing up to wreck shit and I find that pretty damn unlikely.

I'm still rooting for Dane's suggestion, though. Rey and Kylo team up at the end of VIII and IX culminates in Luke vs. Rey/Kylo with Poe and Finn directly confronting/defeating the First Order.

I could totally see a:

Rey: Imma go kill Snoke.
Luke: Grrrrl, you ain't ready.
Rey: EFF YOU AM SO!

They have a bit of a Force fight. Her anger gets the better of her and she knocks the old man down, draws the blade.

Luke: This won't end like you think it will. Trust me.

Rey lowers the blade. They hug it out. Luke continues to train her. Or Yoda gets involved because she's so special and powerful, maybe. Whatever.

Something like that seems very possible.

I just do not see Disney turning Rey into a villain. Luke is the hero of my generation. To this new generation, he's just an old one-armed man. Rey stays the hero.

Snoke is an acronym.

Sith No One Knew Existed

Heh, not bad.

Was he the contact Palpatine had out in the Unknown Regions?

You might be on to something there.

LMAO

The old Mike Zeroh theory

LMAO

Pablo Hidalgo has already implicitly stated that neither Snoke nor Kylo Ren are not and were not ever Sith at any point in time.

I've missed that.

Well, if that is the case and they are something new and more sinister, I guess it would make sense for Luke to want to end the traditional Jedi to fight the new threat in a new and improved fashion.

I still hold on to that slim slice of a theory just based on the Wendig books. Getting to the Unknown Regions was the main goal to find Palpatine's lost Super Star Destroyer that set out on a mission years before. Sounds like a long shot, but we'll see.

Also, by the time The Force Awakens takes place, there hadn't been any Jedi or Sith in the galaxy for 30 years and if you count Order 66 and The Purge, at least 50 years.

There were only 10,000 Jedi Knights in a galaxy filled with trillions of sentient life forms so forgetting about the Jedi or believing they were a myth is easy to believe. Add to the fact that the Sith were known to be extinct for generations prior, so there's no reason to give Snoke an anagram of "Sith No One Knew Existed" because people didn't know about the Sith or even that Emperor Palpatine was a Sith.

People like Hux calling him "Leader Snoke" and "Supreme Leader Snoke" doesn't make sense.

"Supreme Leader Sith No One Knew Existed" sounds even dumber.

I don't know about "contact" but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Snoke is (or has something to do with) the Force feelings and things that Palpatine was sensing out beyond in the Unknown Regions. I think it's totally possible that he sensed some dark force out there and wanted to know more about it.

Snoke could play into that. But I have no idea if Snoke every actually had contact with Palpatine.

Didn't Palpatine talk about some Sith that was such a badass he could essentially defy the laws of life/death; could effectively create life and make people immortal?

I read some fan theory about him being Anakin's 'dad' not too long ago.

Why couldn't Snoke be that guy? Hell, we could even have a "luuuuuuuke, I am your grandfather...." moment and really just turn this sequel into a shot for shot remake of the original trilogy.

You're referring to Darth Plagueis, who was Palpatine's Sith Master, whom he killed in his sleep.

The reason why he's not Plagueis is two-fold: Plagueis was killed by Palpatine and once again, Pablo Hidalgo has confirmed that Snoke isn't Sith.

Who was the narrator for the 'killed in his sleep' story? If it was Palpatine, how trustworthy a narrator do we have there?

And would anyone actually gain anything by being honest with stuff like that? Hidalgo is something of an archivist/showrunner, no? I guess he could end up suffering a shot to his credibility but it wouldn't be hard to just say "haha, misdirection" and move along...

I think it's more likely than not that this theory and virtually all others are largely bullshit. But with this universe's willingness (neigh, eagerness) to circle back on itself with some regularity, it just seems like the kind of thing they'd do...

I think he was pretty trustworthy in that regard.

I've followed Pablo on Twitter for years and he's nothing if not a straight shooter. He's involved in the Lucasfilm story group and he creates all of the Visual Dictionaries for the films, which IMO, are super cool. I have one for TFA and the Rogue One visual dictionary is on my Christmas list.

I think that if he lied, he'd catch hell for it on Twitter, at Star Wars Celebration and the various Star Wars panels he does around the world.

It wouldn't be a good look for him or Lucasfilm.

Plagueis was described in the book as being of the Muun race, which is humanoid but definitely alien. In the Episode VIII trailer, we've seen Snoke in the flesh and while he's not human but humanoid, he's certainly not a Muun.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20080117160044

https://i.redd.it/kk232uy1ttcz.jpg

Good grief... I hope not. I excused TFA for following the same story line as ANH, but this would be too much to the point of laughing out loud ridiculousness.

Geez... I wouldn't pick the dark side, just because all the old dark side dudes look totally f-d up!

Daisy Ridley Says Rey’s Parents Reveal in 'Last Jedi' Is a "Moving Moment"

https://www.inverse.com/article/3793...26579f881108d6

Could be Leia's kid if not Luke's which everyone assumes she is, just makes more sense that it's Luke's. Anyone else would just be written for shock value which would be kind of lame. I also hope Kenobi had a kid at some point who is secretly an ultra badass jedi and maybe a few years younger than Luke.

Sorry if discussed earlier, could Snoke be Tarkin?

Snoke is not human.

No, he was atomized on the first Death Star.

To Clay's point that he isn't human - could he be a clone? That wouldn't technically make him a "human". And not necessarily of Tarkin, but of any character we've seen up to this point*?










*I don't think this is the case at all and Snoke is something new we haven't met before (still hoping for some reference to the Unknown Regions), but Mizzou 8541 planted just enough of a seed to make me think about it

He's seven feet tall. He’s not human.

Snoke has been described as "Humanoid" but he's not human

BREAKING: RIAN JOHNSON signs deal with Disney to develop "a brand new STAR WARS trilogy" that will presumably arrive after 2020. Disney is also creating a new live-action STAR WARS series for its forthcoming streaming service.

https://twitter.com/theinsneider/sta...42561946116096

-Sorry I can’t embed, on mobile.

Disney has given him the keys

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/sta...ce-1202611408/

New ‘Star Wars’ Trilogy in Works With Rian Johnson, TV Series Also Coming to Disney Streaming Service

Disney has just closed a deal with director Rian Johnson to develop a new “Star Wars” trilogy, and it is planning a live-action “Star Wars” TV series to air on its entertainment streaming service that is expected to launch by the end of 2019. Disney chairman-CEO Bob Iger announced the “Star Wars” news during the company’s quarterly earnings call. In addition to the “Star Wars” TV series, Disney is working on TV adaptations of Pixar’s “Monsters Inc.,” the Disney Channel’s “High School Musical” franchise and an original series from Marvel.

Johnson helmed “Star Wars: The Last Jedi,” which is due out next month. He’s set to write and direct another trio of “Star Wars” theatrical pics with his longtime collaborator Ram Bergman. “We all loved working with Rian on ‘The Last Jedi,’” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm. “He’s a creative force, and watching him craft ‘The Last Jedi’ from start to finish was one of the great joys of my career. Rian will do amazing things with the blank canvas of this new trilogy.” The long-term pact with Johnson comes on the heels of Lucasfilm having some rocky relations with filmmakers on other “Star Wars” pics.

“We had the time of our lives collaborating with Lucasfilm and Disney on ‘The Last Jedi,’ ” Johnson and Bergman said in a joint statement. “ ‘Star Wars’ is the greatest modern mythology and we feel very lucky to have contributed to it. We can’t wait to continue with this new series of films.”

This also means that he'll have more "power" to guide the storyline in Episode IX so hopefully, it won't be all Abrams and his sensibilities.

This makes more even more stoked for The Last Jedi, if possible.

Although, it is curious how he's the one to helm a new trilogy after they brought JJ back in to do Episode IX.

Well, if he was the sole writer and director of Episode IX, which is supposed to begin principal photography in early 2018, there's no way he'd have time to create a new trilogy and have the first episode ready by 2021.

Dave Filoni as the showrunner for the Live Action series...

I guess I'll need to spring for yet another streaming service. There's no way I'm missing out on a live series.

Prediction: it will be a prequel trilogy.

Yeah it would certainly seem that way and makes me more confident that the Last Jedi is gonna deliver.

Damn, I can't believe the director of that little indie film Brick is gonna be directing all these Star Wars movies! Very cool & happy for Rian . :clap:

So a prequel trilogy to Episode 1? Hmm.

Just last week, KK talked about the continuing adventures of Rey, Poe and Finn on the weekly Star Wars Show, so I'd be surprised if the next trilogy is set pre-Anakin Skywalker, although it would be super cool.

I know there are close to 100 episodes of Star Wars Underworld in the vault but I'd rather see a Live Action TV Series set before The Phantom Menace, maybe like 700 years earlier, when Yoda was not yet a Jedi Master.

Disney and Kennedy must’ve really loved the direction he has taken The Last Jedi. I mean, common sense says so anyway, with this deal he now has.

Every true nerd out there wants a KOTR series, but that will never (likely) happen.

I agree.

Interestingly, Star Wars is one of the few sci-if franchises where prequels could actually be very very cool (if done right, they could even replace the Lucasfilm prequels that suffered from having about half-a-movie’s worth of story stretched into a trilogy). Rian could make an alternative to Episodes 1-3 and everyone would embrace it (mostly because it wouldn’t suck).

Or he simply is good at doing what they tell him to do.

Seems like a lot of directors have problems with that...

Foiled again!

Another trilogy after this one. Really getting all they can out of that 4 billion.

Disney earned half that $4 billion back after the release of The Force Awakens.

Star Wars will be around in 100 years or more.

I think it's likely to be a combination of both.

He's working well within the given parameters but he's also very talented, very driven, very creative and an easy going guy on set.

This announcement has made me even more excited to see Episode VIII, as if that was even possible.

Maybe by "not skywalker related", they mean the next trilogy will continue Rey/Poe/Finn's adventures after Luke dies and they kill the artist formerly known as Ben Solo. Meaning (possibly...) no Skywalkers are left.

The official release:

http://www.starwars.com/news/rian-jo...c%7C1147744441

RIAN JOHNSON, WRITER-DIRECTOR OF STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, TO CREATE ALL-NEW STAR WARS TRILOGY

For director Rian Johnson, Star Wars: The Last Jedi was just the beginning of his journey in a galaxy far, far away.

Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Johnson will create a brand-new Star Wars trilogy, the first of which he is also set to write and direct, with longtime collaborator Ram Bergman onboard to produce.

As writer-director of The Last Jedi, Johnson conceived and realized a powerful film of which Lucasfilm and Disney are immensely proud. In shepherding this new trilogy, which is separate from the episodic Skywalker saga, Johnson will introduce new characters from a corner of the galaxy that Star Wars lore has never before explored.

“We all loved working with Rian on The Last Jedi,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm. “He’s a creative force, and watching him craft The Last Jedi from start to finish was one of the great joys of my career. Rian will do amazing things with the blank canvas of this new trilogy.”

“We had the time of our lives collaborating with Lucasfilm and Disney on The Last Jedi,” Johnson and Bergman said in a joint statement. “Star Wars is the greatest modern mythology and we feel very lucky to have contributed to it. We can’t wait to continue with this new series of films.”

Johnson’s upcoming Star Wars: The Last Jedi arrives in U.S. theaters on Dec. 15, 2017.

No release dates have been set for the new films, and no porgs were available for comment.

According to the official release I just linked, the new trilogy will be outside the Skywalker saga and "introduce new characters from a corner of the galaxy that Star Wars lore has never before explored."

So, we're getting a brand new story in a different part of the Star War galaxy, with an undetermined time line.

That's a ballsy move this early in the game. Wow.

I think it's pretty obvious the massive success of Rogue One plays a big hand in the decision to move away from the Skywalker saga, particularly so "soon". That, and Rian Johnson must have just crushed it with VIII (or he's the perfect lapdog, as Ringleader suggested. Hopefully not that).

I expected them to move beyond the Skywalker family saga at some point but 2021 is a shocker to me.

I guess this also means, if I'm reading the press release correctly, the next trilogy won't be about Rey, Finn and Poe and that maybe the earliest they come back to that part of the Star Wars universe will be 2026.

2017: Episode VIII
2018: Solo
2019: Episode IX
2020: Obi Wan stand alone
2021: Episode I of the New Trilogy
2022: Star Wars Story
2023: Episode 2 of the New Trilogy
2024: Star Wars Story
2025: Episode 3 of the New Trilogy
2026: Episode X?

Also, a new Live Action Star Wars series to begin in 2019 on Disney's new streaming service.

That's a ****load of Star Wars...

Think they have any intention of doing more than one movie a year? Marvel seems to be doing just fine with 2 or 3 a year.

I'm glad they're going in a new/unrelated direction for the next trilogy.
I have no excitement related to the Hans Solo and Obi Wan stories. Hopefully, they'll use the stand-alones from 2022 on, as stories focusing on important moments in the way Rogue one did.

I'm not all that intrigued by Han, for whatever reason.

But man, I'd be all-in on more Obi Wan. Maybe it's because he's just had better actors portraying him but he's always been one of the more interesting characters in the entire saga for me. I feel like there's a ton of material that could be mined in there, especially if they let him leave Tatooine.

It wasn't as though he was the crazy uncle next door as Luke grew up; he was more of a background presence that appears to have kept his ear to the ground in case something showed up that might pose a threat to Luke. Well that's not exactly a 24/7/365 type of gig. Or certainly not a stationary one; it could easily involve him needing to leave the planet to explore the nature of a threat.

I have a feeling that the characters around Han Solo in the spinoff will be more interesting than Han himself. As I've said in the thread, it's really "interesting" that Ron Howard has posted pics on Twitter of everyone in the cast except Alden Ehrenreich.

They've hired an excellent director for the film and it's supposed to be released in 2020. As we heard in Rogue One, Obi Wan is still in contact with people in the Galactic Senate and Rebellion, which leads me to believe that there's no way he just sat in his hut for 20 years, waiting to train Luke.

There is SO MUCH territory to mine there, including another encounter with Vader.

Please, no.

"When I left you, I was but the learner."

"I sense something. A presence I've not felt since..."

They don't see each other between III and IV. Otherwise you're just shitting on canon.

It doesn't have to be a lightsaber fight. It could be an instance of Obi Wan doing undercover work for the Rebellion and Vader either arrives or is already at the location.

Those quotes don't necessarily need to be specifically about the battle on Mustafar.