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LoneWolf 02-14-2014 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 10432798)
Happy Pitchers and Catchers Report Day!

The Michael Sam thread has been moved to DC.

duncan_idaho 02-14-2014 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 10432551)
The Indians announced yesterday that they've agreed to a minor league deal with former big leaguer Kyle Davies. The right-hander did not receive an invite to Major League Spring Training, however. Davies, still just 30 years old, spent the 2013 season pitching with the Twins' minor league system as he recovered from shoulder surgery. Davies posted a 3.41 ERA with 7.3 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 across three levels, though he didn't pitch at Triple-A. He has a 5.59 ERA in 768 Major League innings between the Braves and Royals.



The greatest day ever.

HIRAM! Awesome. Hopefully, he can set some records with the Indians... keep elevating that ERA so he ends up with the clear worst ERA of all time from a starter with more than 500 IP. Or whatever that was.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10432063)
Well hopefully David Glass doesn't get all puffy chested and drop a decree of NO SANTANA, PERIOD if the opportunity arises to get him back.



Chen is a perfect situational guy. I'm not interested in how well he performed as a started when Mendoza flamed out last year (and he did).

Chen's strength is out of the bullpen at this point in his career.

I'd imagine the plan is that Chen will make 10-15 starts and then pitch out of the bullpen as the long guy. Basically the same role he was pretty effective in a year ago.

If KC can use this to cover some of the innings Duffy is not going to be able to toss, it makes a lot of sense. Danny is probably capped at 130 IP or so, and even that is pushing it. That means you need to cover about 10 starts out of his potential spot.

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 10432053)
Santana aside, I'm just hoping that Duffy and Ventura have the type of spring where it's embarrassingly negligent on Ned's part to put Chen in the rotation. I like him coming out of the pen and being the spot starter for when those young guys need a week off or when they get dead arm.

Use him at the front end, and you keep those young starters fresh all year.

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10432051)
Agreed, Santana's agent is an idiot.

Yeah, he has really miscalculated and done poorly. He's a strange guy who apparently has like 5 clients. Not sure how he makes a living on that (unless he has absolutely NO overhead).

It's hard to imagine an agent performly as poorly as this guy has. One of the reasons I can't fault them too much for NOT seeing this downturn in the Santana market coming.

alnorth 02-14-2014 10:59 AM

Spring Training is off to a rocky start for the Mariners

Mariners already having worst spring ever

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Jesus Montero reported to camp. He apologized to the team for his PED suspension last season. At least Montero had a productive offseason, right? Umm ... "I gained a lot of weight in my country," he said. "So, now, I'm on a program to lose weight. I'm working really hard to get my weight back . I wasn't doing nothing (after finishing winter ball), just eating."

Hisashi Iwakuma, third in last year's American League Cy Young voting, will miss 4-to-6 weeks with a strained tendon in his finger, meaning he likely won't be ready for Opening Day. Is this a bad time to mention that Iwakuma has never had back-to-back healthy seasons in his career?

Top prospect Taijuan Walker, expected to be in the rotation, has a sore shoulder. He said it's no big deal. Manager Lloyd McCLendon said it's no big deal. Why do I fear it's a big deal?

Franklin Gutierrez alerted the team that he's going to sit out the entire season due to a return of the gastrointestinal issues that have plagued him in the past. Luckily the Mariners have other good defensive outfielders like Corey Hart and Logan Morrison on the team.

Prison Bitch 02-14-2014 11:04 AM

Jack Z's numbers are numbered. (For anyone that gets that pun, a high five from me)

dallaschiefsfan 02-14-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10432894)
Use him at the front end, and you keep those young starters fresh all year.

I'm in the minority, but I don't agree with this at all. While the evidence is spotty, I've noticed some real strong performances from Chen during the hotter months. He's had struggles with the early season over the past few years. I think his key value is to give the young arms a rest in the middle of the summer or when fatigue/deadarm sets in. I think a strong start is really important to this team and I think your best chance at a strong start involves both Duffy and Ventura forcing their way into the rotation from day one. Fifth starter will sit most of the first month anyway. I'd prefer that be Duffy over Ventura, so that he can be limited to about 150 innings this year.

alnorth 02-14-2014 11:10 AM

While looking something else up, I happened to notice that David Glass will turn 80 in 2015.

I wonder what the transition plan is? Is Dan Glass just going to inherit the team, or will they sell?

CaliforniaChief 02-14-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10433051)
While looking something else up, I happened to notice that David Glass will turn 80 in 2015.

I wonder what the transition plan is? Is Dan Glass just going to inherit the team, or will they sell?

Mark Cuban? LOL I wish.

dallaschiefsfan 02-14-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10433051)
While looking something else up, I happened to notice that David Glass will turn 80 in 2015.

I wonder what the transition plan is? Is Dan Glass just going to inherit the team, or will they sell?

Yes...I think this is pretty clear from his current involvement with the team. Whether he sells upon the inheritance is the real question. If he stays, I don't think that bodes well for the Royals. I think daddy actually holds Dan's ineptitude in check. David Glass might not be popular. Dan would be even less popular from what I've heard. I hope he cashes out and sells.

duncan_idaho 02-14-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10433051)
While looking something else up, I happened to notice that David Glass will turn 80 in 2015.

I wonder what the transition plan is? Is Dan Glass just going to inherit the team, or will they sell?

Hopefully Dan decides he would like to cash in and double Daddy's fortune by selling the team to OnGoal.

That ownership group + baseball=good years for all of us.

RockChalk 02-14-2014 11:21 AM

I think we all know that David Glass is one of "those" rich assholes that will live to be 100, with decent health along the way.

alnorth 02-14-2014 11:45 AM

http://grantland.com/features/alex-r...d-sox-yankees/

Rany put together a neat little article that credibly speculates on what A-Rod's career might have been like if the MLBPA hadn't vetoed his trade to the Red Sox.

duncan_idaho 02-14-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 10433059)
Yes...I think this is pretty clear from his current involvement with the team. Whether he sells upon the inheritance is the real question. If he stays, I don't think that bodes well for the Royals. I think daddy actually holds Dan's ineptitude in check. David Glass might not be popular. Dan would be even less popular from what I've heard. I hope he cashes out and sells.

http://www.rocklamanna.com/Portals/9...esized-600.png

Prison Bitch 02-14-2014 01:32 PM

What would be th impact of a new buyer? Assume he/they buy the team for $400m and interest on the purchase is 10%. (Mix of debt and equity). That's $40m flushed down the toilet each year that could go to payroll. Just to keep payroll at current levels which I do believe is maxed out the new owner has to generate $40m extra. We only make 130m in revenue so that's asking for a 25% immediate rise just to keep pace. How would this make us better?

alnorth 02-14-2014 01:47 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/14...plausible.html

Mellinger figured out how much of a bump we're getting from 2013 to 2014 for the new national TV deal. It is not $25MM, which I already knew because these deals always start below average and end above average, but I figured it would be about $20MM or so.

Apparently the TV deals are more back-loaded than I thought, and I hadn't considered that our old deal was also probably back-loaded; the bump we're getting next year from the new national TV deal is only about $5-10MM, not counting the share that MLB is going to take for the central fund.

If that is really the case, then it is definitely possible that we might be a little bit past our break-even point.

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-14-2014 01:50 PM

So, it's time for Prison Bitch to step up and go to the games. Gotta get that attendance up, right? :)

duncan_idaho 02-14-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10433285)
What would be th impact of a new buyer? Assume he/they buy the team for $400m and interest on the purchase is 10%. (Mix of debt and equity). That's $40m flushed down the toilet each year that could go to payroll. Just to keep payroll at current levels which I do believe is maxed out the new owner has to generate $40m extra. We only make 130m in revenue so that's asking for a 25% immediate rise just to keep pace. How would this make us better?

If it's the OnGoal guys, they will sink the assets into the business necessary to operate at a high level.

These guys are not cheap asses like Glass and the Hunt families. They understand if you spend on sports, you get it back in the long run, even if you take initial losses.

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-14-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10433335)
If it's the OnGoal guys, they will sink the assets into the business necessary to operate at a high level.

These guys are not cheap asses like Glass and the Hunt families. They understand if you spend on sports, you get it back in the long run, even if you take initial losses.

AND they bring a winning attitude. They will not give a guy like GMDM 8 years of pure failure.

BlackHelicopters 02-14-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10433341)
AND they bring a winning attitude. They will not give a guy like GMDM 8 years of pure failure.

Pure failure feels like we almost won the World Series.

Prison Bitch 02-14-2014 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10433335)
If it's the OnGoal guys, they will sink the assets into the business necessary to operate at a high level.

But $400m sounds like a lot of dough. As you know, MLB is a much pricier game than MLS is. They would be walking into a completed stadium rather than building another Sporting Park from scratch. Still, they're locked into a crappy TV deal for another 6 years as of today. Where would the extra revenue come from?


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These guys are not cheap asses like Glass and the Hunt families. They understand if you spend on sports, you get it back in the long run, even if you take initial losses.
I thought we were looking to get away from profit-seekers and go towards guys who are willing to spend big and lose big. Since you can't improve the TV deal and since our fans are resistant to purchasing tickets even at today's low prices, how on earth does OnGoal find money?

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-14-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10433386)
But $400m sounds like a lot of dough. As you know, MLB is a much pricier game than MLS is. They would be walking into a completed stadium rather than building another Sporting Park from scratch. Still, they're locked into a crappy TV deal for another 6 years as of today. Where would the extra revenue come from?




I thought we were looking to get away from profit-seekers and go towards guys who are willing to spend big and lose big. Since you can't improve the TV deal and since our fans are resistant to purchasing tickets even at today's low prices, how on earth does OnGoal find money?

They are creative... they have a damned amazing marketing team.... and sell out every freaking game.

They provide a fabulous atmosphere and connect with the fans...

I don't know how that makes them more money, or if it really even does... but those guys are incredible in the areas of marketing and vision.

Prison Bitch 02-14-2014 02:20 PM

Oh, I agree. What they've accomplished in MLS has been quite impressive. I do think our fans haven't considered what a massive investment that just buying the team would pose. Then, on top, they have to generate tens of millions just to cover the interest payments in order to stay where we are at. One of the benefits of Glass owning the team (shoot me now) is that he's pretty flush. Financially stable with low or no debt.

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-14-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10433407)
Oh, I agree. What they've accomplished in MLS has been quite impressive. I do think our fans haven't considered what a massive investment that just buying the team would pose. Then, on top, they have to generate tens of millions just to cover the interest payments in order to stay where we are at. One of the benefits of Glass owning the team (shoot me now) is that he's pretty flush. Financially stable with low or no debt.

That's all fine and dandy... but give me the owner that spends their money in better quality manners - even if there's less of it - Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

alnorth 02-14-2014 03:39 PM

If what Glass has been saying all along has been the truth, I think its time to release an audit from a respected accounting firm. Not just to satisfy our own nosey curiosity, but really he should do it for his sake. I don't know if there are rules among the MLB owners or in the CBA against doing that, but if he's really looking at possibly losing money this season and he's getting absolutely no credit for doing that, then thats not fair.

We probably don't need an open book or a line-by-line accounting of every dollar spent, you can make the categories somewhat general, as long as its specific enough for us to kinda see how it could be the case and someone independent and respected signs off on it, then we can move on.

Prison Bitch 02-14-2014 07:46 PM

It wouldn't be in the CBA because the players have requested this for years. They'd love it if Glass did it. Then the other owners would kick him out of the game.

Deberg_1990 02-14-2014 08:23 PM

So apparently the "Reins are off" of Duffy........but then they talk about him being in the bullpen or maybe even AAA. WTF??


http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/14...her-danny.html



If Duffy doesn’t win the job, his next step will be compelling. The Royals have yet to decide on a subsequent path, general manager Dayton Moore explained on Friday morning. Duffy could operate as a dynamic left-handed weapon in manager Ned Yost’s bullpen. The other choices to pair with southpaw Tim Collins are Francisley Bueno, Donnie Joseph and Everett Teaford. Duffy possesses a momentary appeal in this role.

Yet Moore reiterated how Duffy is critical to the Royals’ long-term planning, and his success as a starting pitcher is paramount. The organization visualizes Duffy, Ventura and fellow top prospect Kyle Zimmer all part of the rotation in 2015. So a stint in Class AAA Omaha might be more conducive to Duffy’s advancement. There is concern a bullpen stint may heighten his struggles with location.

stonedstooge 02-14-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10433854)
So apparently the "Reins are off" of Duffy........but then they talk about him being in the bullpen or maybe even AAA. WTF??


http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/14...her-danny.html



If Duffy doesn’t win the job, his next step will be compelling. The Royals have yet to decide on a subsequent path, general manager Dayton Moore explained on Friday morning. Duffy could operate as a dynamic left-handed weapon in manager Ned Yost’s bullpen. The other choices to pair with southpaw Tim Collins are Francisley Bueno, Donnie Joseph and Everett Teaford. Duffy possesses a momentary appeal in this role.

Yet Moore reiterated how Duffy is critical to the Royals’ long-term planning, and his success as a starting pitcher is paramount. The organization visualizes Duffy, Ventura and fellow top prospect Kyle Zimmer all part of the rotation in 2015. So a stint in Class AAA Omaha might be more conducive to Duffy’s advancement. There is concern a bullpen stint may heighten his struggles with location.

Didn't they test him enough last fall? Let's see what he's got

tk13 02-14-2014 09:29 PM

If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.

Deberg_1990 02-14-2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10433948)
If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.

Absolutely.
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Brianfo 02-14-2014 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10433948)
If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.

Uh this. X11tinty billion. Some of the kids have to produce. Have to. Otherwise, we had fun. Be back in 2020. Chit or get off the pot.

Brianfo 02-14-2014 10:16 PM

Summer of 2014 will be epic!!!
 
We are poised. Stars are lining or so I think. I have convinced{or brainwashed} my whole family. Gonna be a fun year. We have tickets to opening day at the K. See you there.

MeatRock 02-14-2014 10:18 PM

I will say this, If the Royals can resign Shields in the next off-season, I would love to see a rotation of Shields, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura and Zimmer. I think that rotation has great potential with cheap good pitching in the bottom half.

Brianfo 02-14-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 10433989)
I will say this, If the Royals can resign Shields in the next off-season, I would love to see a rotation of Shields, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura and Zimmer. I think that rotation has great potential with cheap good pitching in the bottom half.

Let shields walk. Too much coin. Throw kitchen sink at Hosmer and see what happens.

MeatRock 02-14-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 10434002)
Let shields walk. Too much coin. Throw kitchen sink at Hosmer and see what happens.

We have to see what Shields is looking for. That rotation could be sick in 2015 though as long as our pitchers develop and pan out.

MeatRock 02-14-2014 11:07 PM

Not to mention we have Manea waiting in the wings. Hope i spelled his name right. :shrug:

alnorth 02-14-2014 11:26 PM

Its different from about 5-10 years ago.

Right now, even if the Royals shit the bed in 2014, we've got a metric ton of young players who can step up and keep hope alive in 2015-2016. Back in the 2000's, when you looked at our roster and our minor leagues, we were staring at a river of putrid suck, and trying to convince ourselves that the talent sewer might not be bad.

duncan_idaho 02-15-2014 08:28 AM

The Royals need:

One of Duffy, Zimmer and Ventura to be a star, ToR type of pitcher.
One of Duffy, Zimmer and Ventura to be at least a good No. 3 starter

One of Manaea/Almonte to be a good No. 3 starter.

Success in 2015-17 is going to depend in large part on how those things work out. You like having the depth, but TINSTAAPP is still in play.

I like that most of these guys are more advanced than there counterparts in 2011, but there still is the potential to get burned.

DeezNutz 02-15-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10433854)
So apparently the "Reins are off" of Duffy........but then they talk about him being in the bullpen or maybe even AAA. WTF??

AAA makes sense if he's not in the rotation when the club breaks camp. There is simply no question that the prep and training needed to be an effective starter is different from the skill set demanded from an effective bullpen arm.

Putting him in the pen would be the type of move for an all-in, win-now season.

Thus, the lack of certainty at this point is pretty understandable. We are in a win-now mode, yet we do need to see the big picture, too.

Tough call.

TLO 02-15-2014 10:09 AM

Shields/Vargas/Guthrie/Duffy/Ventura would be my 5 man rotation. I doubt it plays out that way though.

DeezNutz 02-15-2014 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10434477)
Shields/Vargas/Guthrie/Duffy/Ventura would be my 5 man rotation. I doubt it plays out that way though.

That's mine, too.

Chen provides an excellent option for long relief out of the pen to cover some learning pains from the back end.

BlackHelicopters 02-15-2014 10:36 AM

It is time to see if Duffy and Ventura can handle it.

Cephalic Trauma 02-15-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10434538)
It is time to see if Davis and Chen can handle it.

Ned fixed your post

BlackHelicopters 02-15-2014 10:52 AM

Saw Ned at Starbucks this morning...

Sure-Oz 02-15-2014 10:56 AM

Bonofacio to the Cubs

alnorth 02-15-2014 12:02 PM

minor league deal, but he's going to get a legit shot to win their 2B job, which is probably why he went with them.

Wilson8 02-15-2014 12:38 PM

A little more on the Bonifacio story...

Cubs To Sign Emilio Bonifacio
By Charlie Wilmoth [February 15 at 10:53am CST]

The Cubs have agreed to terms with infielder Emilio Bonifacio, Grupo Telemicro's Ildefonso Urena tweets. The agreement is for a minor-league deal, ESPN Chicago's Jesse Rogers reports. Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets that Bonifacio had Major-League offers from other teams, so it appears likely that he believes he will make the Cubs out of spring training. If he does, he will make the league-minimum salary, Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times tweets. Bonifacio is represented by Kinzer Management Group.

The Royals had previously avoided arbitration with Bonifacio, signing him to a one-year, $3.5MM deal, but they designated him for assignment when they signed Bruce Chen, meaning they only had to pay a fraction of that $3.5MM salary. Bonifacio subsequently cleared release waivers, and became free to sign wherever he liked.

Bonifacio, 28, hit a relatively .243/.295/.331 in 461 plate appearances with the Blue Jays and Royals last season, but he can play second and third base and any outfield position, and he contributes good value on the bases. He also played shortstop semi-regularly as recently as 2011. Cubs second baseman Darwin Barney struggled last season, so Bonifacio could provide insurance at second if that happens again. He could also serve as a bench player.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

WhawhaWhat 02-16-2014 09:20 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>And $13m option RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN">@Buster_ESPN</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst">@jaysonst</a> reporting Kimbrel deal is worth a minimum of $42 million over 4 years</p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/statuses/435066213371478016">February 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Holland is knocking on Dayton's door this morning.

Al Bundy 02-16-2014 09:39 AM

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 17m

BREAKING: Ryan Dempster will not pitch for #RedSox in 2014 due to physical reasons and his desire to spend more time with his kids.

TLO 02-16-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 10436028)
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 17m

BREAKING: Ryan Dempster will not pitch for #RedSox in 2014 due to physical reasons and his desire to spend more time with his kids.

What's wrong with him? Cancer?

MrGiggity 02-16-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10436032)
What's wrong with him? Cancer?

I know it was reported a few years back that his daughter had a disease. Not sure the severity of it or if that's even the reason for him not playing this year. Just a possibility.

Prison Bitch 02-16-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10436009)
Holland is knocking on Dayton's door this morning.

No he's not. He's already signed for this year, why would he knock? They'll get rid of him after this season anyway because there's no way we pay a closer 10M/per.

BlackHelicopters 02-16-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10436009)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>And $13m option RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN">@Buster_ESPN</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst">@jaysonst</a> reporting Kimbrel deal is worth a minimum of $42 million over 4 years</p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/statuses/435066213371478016">February 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Holland is knocking on Dayton's door this morning.

Holland and the Royals have already agreed on a contract for 2014. Avoided arbitration.

WhawhaWhat 02-16-2014 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10436230)
Holland and the Royals have already agreed on a contract for 2014. Avoided arbitration.

I was more referring to this - Royals, Holland Have Mutual Interest In Extension

You can sign a deal for 2014 and sign another later for more years.

Coach 02-16-2014 04:34 PM

So I was killing some time, and I noticed something.

What's wrong with this picture?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rgGNHw6mh7...2BJackson3.JPG

TLO 02-16-2014 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 10436504)
So I was killing some time, and I noticed something.

What's wrong with this picture?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rgGNHw6mh7...2BJackson3.JPG

Well, for one, it shows up as a small blue question mark for me.

BlackHelicopters 02-16-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 10436504)
So I was killing some time, and I noticed something.

What's wrong with this picture?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rgGNHw6mh7...2BJackson3.JPG

Jackson was a lefty?

Coach 02-16-2014 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10436505)
Well, for one, it shows up as a small blue question mark for me.

Hmm... strange.

See if this works.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_rgGNHw6mh7M/...y+Jackson3.JPG

Coach 02-16-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10436508)
Jackson was a lefty?

Bingo.

So Danny Jackson is a lefty, and that card clearly shows a righty..... we can reasonably assume that it's not Danny Jackson.

Which begs the question. Who the hell is the guy on the card?

BlackHelicopters 02-16-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 10436518)
Bingo.

So Danny Jackson is a lefty, and that card clearly shows a righty..... we can reasonably assume that it's not Danny Jackson.

Which begs the question. Who the hell is the guy on the card?

Oh hell. I'll be up all night now.

stonedstooge 02-16-2014 05:28 PM

I looked it up. It was an error card. I never would have guessed it, but the name was familiar after I saw it. I never would have got "close" guessing who it was. That's a hint there

BigMeatballDave 02-16-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10436585)
I looked it up. It was an error card. I never would have guessed it, but the name was familiar after I saw it. I never would have got "close" guessing who it was. That's a hint there

Steve Farr?

stonedstooge 02-16-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 10436595)
Steve Farr?

DING DING DING DING DING. We have a WINNAH

siberian khatru 02-16-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10436596)
DING DING DING DING DING. We have a WINNAH

Are you sure? Farr usually had a stache and longer hair.

siberian khatru 02-16-2014 05:54 PM

I think it's Frank Wills

stonedstooge 02-16-2014 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 10436619)
Are you sure? Farr usually had a stache and longer hair.

That's what the baseball card error site said. Could be another error though

Infidel Goat 02-16-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 10436622)
I think it's Frank Wills

Willis wore 19. That looks like a "6" as the second number which fits with Steve Farr's 26.

At any rate, it's not Amos Otis.

ETA: If it is Willis, it's even funnier because he was a Mariner that year. He played for the Royals in '84, though, so it's still possible I guess.

siberian khatru 02-16-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 10436636)
Willis wore 19. That looks like a "6" as the second number which fits with Steve Farr's 26.

At any rate, it's not Amos Otis.

ETA: If it is Willis, it's even funnier because he was a Mariner that year. He played for the Royals in '84, though, so it's still possible I guess.

You've got better eyes than I do, because I can't make out any numbers.

Wills was kind of a shot in the dark -- he got traded to the M's in January 85.

Just doesn't look like Farr to me.

Coach 02-16-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10436596)
DING DING DING DING DING. We have a WINNAH

Couldn't be Farr, because he had a stache.

Wills is the one I was thinking.

Coach 02-16-2014 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 10436636)
Willis wore 19. That looks like a "6" as the second number which fits with Steve Farr's 26.

At any rate, it's not Amos Otis.

ETA: If it is Willis, it's even funnier because he was a Mariner that year. He played for the Royals in '84, though, so it's still possible I guess.

Well the photo could have been taken in '84, as typically most card companies use prior year photos on their cards at the time, I imagine.

It looks like a 9 to me, since the 6 and the 9 section can match, just could not tell the exact number because of his left arm is in the way/blocking the view.

Coach 02-16-2014 07:00 PM

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1985-BB-Donru...-/310835601920

There's a better quality photo of the card in question.

http://img.beckett.com/images/items_...3483/front.jpg

stonedstooge 02-16-2014 07:23 PM

It looks like it could be Jim Sunberg looking at his cards from that year

siberian khatru 02-16-2014 07:42 PM

Surely it can't be Leon Roberts in his only pitching performance of his career.

KChiefs1 02-16-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10433948)
If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.

If the two guys are Ventura & Duffy I will have movement!:p

KChiefs1 02-16-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 10436504)
So I was killing some time, and I noticed something.

What's wrong with this picture?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rgGNHw6mh7...2BJackson3.JPG

Kinda looks like Bud Black.

Coach 02-16-2014 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10436730)
It looks like it could be Jim Sunberg looking at his cards from that year

Sundberg was a catcher though.

KChiefs1 02-16-2014 08:01 PM

According to my intensive research it is Frank Wills.

BigMeatballDave 02-16-2014 08:02 PM

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewCar...-Danny-Jackson

According to this it's Frank Wills.

C3HIEF3S 02-17-2014 01:09 AM

Here's an interview with Dan Glass that was posted on the Royals website for those who haven't seen it.

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/new...nt_id=67831478

Contents in spoiler, I put some of the interesting parts in bold for those who don't want to read all of it.

Spoiler!

Discuss Thrower 02-17-2014 01:26 AM

What in the world does a fan of the St. Louis Cardinals know about losing?

duncan_idaho 02-17-2014 08:02 AM

That last statement is interesting.

The OnGoal guys are interested in buying the team. They're local. They have more money than the Glass's (4 guys worth what David Glass is worth). Hard to imagine, if the Glass's are truly being honest with themselves about what's best for the team, that they don't see that.

Three7s 02-17-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10437283)
That last statement is interesting.

The OnGoal guys are interested in buying the team. They're local. They have more money than the Glass's (4 guys worth what David Glass is worth). Hard to imagine, if the Glass's are truly being honest with themselves about what's best for the team, that they don't see that.

OnGoal actually said they were interested in buying?


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