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gblowfish 03-09-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9480503)
Royals are beating the living dog crap out of the Giants today, 12-0 in the 6th on 17 hits, our pitchers haven't given up a hit yet.

We'll let you plan the Cactus League Championship Parade route....

BlackHelicopters 03-09-2013 06:30 PM

ST , and despite my earlier skepticism, now JIMP

stonedstooge 03-09-2013 06:35 PM

Royals will have already peaked for the year in Spring Training. FML

alnorth 03-09-2013 07:46 PM

Been playing around with MLB The Show 13 the last couple days. The game is just awesome. Beginner mode is too easy, and experienced is too hard unless you are really good. I think the key is to play around with the sliders and gameplay settings to make a custom difficulty where games seem realistic, and the computer still has the ability to beat you without just getting rocked by the CPU all the time, bumping up your sliders and settings as you get better.

I can already tell that "guess pitch" feature is a crutch. I've got it turned off, need to be able to learn how to be patient and take pitches.

Simplicity 03-09-2013 07:50 PM

We are using up all our wins before the regular season -_-

Gracie Dean 03-09-2013 10:21 PM

I know it is just spring training, but what an awesome start.

KChiefs1 03-09-2013 11:05 PM

Hosmer 0-WBC?

alnorth 03-10-2013 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9481959)
Hosmer 0-WBC?

no, he got a hit and RBI on Friday

KevB 03-10-2013 11:20 AM

New guy impressed with Yordano:

Elliot Johnson ‏@ElliotJohnson9
100% sure that Yordano "Ace" Ventura is going to be closer to #1 of the 100 prospect list after this season. Throwing 101 mph will do that.

DeezNutz 03-10-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9482667)
New guy impressed with Yordano:

Elliot Johnson ‏@ElliotJohnson9
100% sure that Yordano "Ace" Ventura is going to be closer to #1 of the 100 prospect list after this season. Throwing 101 mph will do that.

Any reason why this kid can't be our breakthrough star in the mold of a Lincecum?

KevB 03-10-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9482674)
Any reason why this kid can't be our breakthrough star in the mold of a Lincecum?

I have my fingers crossed. We're due for some luck when it comes to pitcher development.

Pablo 03-10-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9480965)
Royals will have already peaked for the year in Spring Training. FML

LMAO

MUST. NOT. GET. HOPES. UP.

DeezNutz 03-10-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9482684)
I have my fingers crossed. We're due for some luck when it comes to pitcher development.

Yes, yes we are.

Mama Hip Rockets 03-10-2013 11:41 AM

Duncan, thank you for taking the Detroit logo out of the OP.

gblowfish 03-10-2013 12:36 PM

Well, Wade Davis is already dinged up. Paging Bruce Chen....paging Bruce Chen....

lewdog 03-10-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9481327)
Been playing around with MLB The Show 13 the last couple days. The game is just awesome. Beginner mode is too easy, and experienced is too hard unless you are really good. I think the key is to play around with the sliders and gameplay settings to make a custom difficulty where games seem realistic, and the computer still has the ability to beat you without just getting rocked by the CPU all the time, bumping up your sliders and settings as you get better.

I can already tell that "guess pitch" feature is a crutch. I've got it turned off, need to be able to learn how to be patient and take pitches.

I have never played a baseball game on my PS3 and I really don't play video games at all. I hear the learning curve on this game is steep so I might be in trouble!

I will take a look at the sliders but might need to just start on beginner.

How do you most of you play as far as innings per game and simulation? I am assuming most don't have time to play full 9 inning games?

Old Dog 03-10-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9482674)
Any reason why this kid can't be our breakthrough star in the mold of a Lincecum?

Because we're the Royals?

Mama Hip Rockets 03-10-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9482959)

How do you most of you play as far as innings per game and simulation? I am assuming most don't have time to play full 9 inning games?

It only takes about 45 minutes to play a full game.

duncan_idaho 03-10-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9482674)
Any reason why this kid can't be our breakthrough star in the mold of a Lincecum?

Command of his secondaries is the only question.

Arm strength is there, and his mechanics made a big jump forward (He's not a max effort guy on every pitch any more).

The curve is a plus pitch, potentially, and his change flashes above-average. If he can command those pitches (and handle a full workload as a starter), the guy has big-time upside.

Al Bundy 03-10-2013 03:19 PM

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report

Hank Conger two-run homer finishes Hochevar. 3 ⅓, 4 runs, 5 hits. Chen coming in. Not usual piggyback style but nobody on. Royals lead 5-4.

Bambi 03-10-2013 03:38 PM

Good to see Hoch is apparently on his way out.

Canofbier 03-10-2013 04:47 PM

17 runs through 6 innings... It's almost cruel how well they are playing this spring, because everyone in the world knows that they can't possibly keep it up through the regular season. Right? :(

Al Bundy 03-10-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 9483378)
Good to see Hoch is apparently on his way out.

I doubt it.

Kidd Lex 03-10-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9483548)
I doubt it.

We would only lose $800k if we drop his ass prior to the season. It's time to move on from that asshat. Mendoza would be a far better option until Duffy/Paulino are ready to roll.

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2013 05:03 PM

Why did we resign Hoch again?

Kidd Lex 03-10-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9481327)
Been playing around with MLB The Show 13 the last couple days. The game is just awesome. Beginner mode is too easy, and experienced is too hard unless you are really good. I think the key is to play around with the sliders and gameplay settings to make a custom difficulty where games seem realistic, and the computer still has the ability to beat you without just getting rocked by the CPU all the time, bumping up your sliders and settings as you get better.

I can already tell that "guess pitch" feature is a crutch. I've got it turned off, need to be able to learn how to be patient and take pitches.

This year All Star seems to be the perfect level. That link I posted earlier to operation sports has a sub forum for sliders. In there you can probably find the perfect level you. How do you like the hit variety? I play with classic pitch and zone hitting without cursors or hot zones on. Also id recommend turning the fielding from default to just buttons. Absolute baseball heaven.

Kidd Lex 03-10-2013 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9483561)
Why did we resign Hoch again?

Insert Francour, wash, rinse, repeat. :banghead:

stonedstooge 03-10-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9483561)
Why did we resign Hoch again?

Because he's Dayton Moore's Matt Casshole

sedated 03-10-2013 05:17 PM

Hosmer crushes a 3 run double. USA up 9-4

Hootie 03-10-2013 05:18 PM

I wonder how big Hosmer is in the pants.

Walrus 03-10-2013 05:20 PM

Hosmer :hail:

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2013 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 9483589)
Insert Francour, wash, rinse, repeat. :banghead:

Confident, but no reason to be. It's Spring. Enjoy while we can...........

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2013 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9483592)
Because he's Dayton Moore's Matt Casshole

Kansas City. Thanks again , Dad.

stonedstooge 03-10-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9483617)
Kansas City. Thanks again , Dad.

Does your Dad ever apologize? I've apologized to my 24 year old son on numerous occasions for inflicting the Royals and Chiefs on him:deevee:

Mama Hip Rockets 03-10-2013 05:42 PM

Way to go, Hosmer.

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2013 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 9483648)
Does your Dad ever apologize? I've apologized to my 24 year old son on numerous occasions for inflicting the Royals and Chiefs on him:deevee:

Never. I Love my dad, and he is not on here to defend himself. I am 48 years old. Think I should stop blaming others and take responsibility................but it must be genetic. Go KC/Omaha Kings...............

Coach 03-10-2013 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9483561)
Why did we resign Hoch again?

Because we're the ****ing Kansas City Royals?

BlackHelicopters 03-10-2013 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 9483732)
Because we're the ****ing Kansas City Royals?

^ This. Sigh.

KChiefs1 03-10-2013 07:57 PM

http://royals.scout.com/2/1273346.html

Quote:

Scout.com: J.J. Picollo's Optimism - Part One

THIS IS A FREE PREVIEW OF SUBSCRIBER-ONLY CONTENT

In my four days in Arizona, I could not have been more impressed with the Royals organization. Previously, all my observations were as a fan, and this was my first real opportunity to have access to anyone in a professional capacity.

Before I even arrived in Arizona, I started communicating with the Royals Director of Media Relations, David Holtzman. He was always very courteous and professional via email, and upon my arrival he introduced me to several people and set up several player interviews for me. That first point-of-contact with the Royals organization was just the beginning of a trend. In my observances and in my conversations with minor-league players, major-league players, Scott Sharp, J.J. Picollo, Dayton Moore, the word that stuck with me the most was "family". These people all like and care for each other, and it's obvious. To me, that's the mark of any great organization - whether it be in baseball, or anywhere.

J.J. Picollo went out of his way to have a good conversation with me about the Royals drafting strategies, expectations of some players within the organization, and what we should look forward to this year and in the future. My comments/opinions/feelings will be in italics.

Many "experts" aren't thrilled with quality in the 2013 draft class. What are your thoughts?

"It is still really early, but there is a lot of good depth." He agrees that at this point there isn't the obvious elite talent that there had been in previous drafts, but "it'll work itself out".

This is a good year for the Royals to end their streak of picking in the top 5 of every draft. Picollo seemed very confident with the Royals draft this year.

What is your draft strategy concerning pitchers vs. position players? College vs. High School? Position of need vs. best player available?

"We always put value on pitching." After pitching, the Royals put added value on the middle of the field, specifically C, SS, and CF. In the past, the Royals felt that, at times, they did have to draft based on need. J.J. mentioned that at one point the Royals felt that they had to target the shortstop position because they were weak in that area throughout the organization. Now, the Royals feel that it is a position of strength.

Because of the overall strength through the organization, Picollo feels that they are in a better position to go after riskier (generally high school) players than safer picks with ceilings that aren't quite as high.

I think this is a testament to what the current regime had to deal with when they arrived. Both the major-league team and the entire organization was in disarray and there was an overall lack of talent that the Royals had to try to overcome. Some might wonder why it's taken this long to get to the point where they are comfortable with the current state of their system. I think that's a fair question, but I would also have to point out that the new regime had to gut the entire organization of players and personnel that weren't going to be effective, but at the same time, they had to do that and still not lose 120 games. Did they lose a lot? Absolutely. Could they have been more effective at the major-league level and still build up the minor leagues? Absolutely. But this "process" has brought us to the point NOW where the Royals feel they will compete for the post-season, and they still have a top-notch minor-league system.

What are your expectations for Bubba Starling? What does he need to do to reach his potential?

"When he realizes he can trust his skills, he'll take off." What stood out for the Royals organization with Bubba Starling were not only his athletic ability, but his leadership. According to J.J., Starling is someone that "puts the team ahead of his own successes." Several times, J.J. compared Starling's makeup to Alex Gordon - a quiet leader that leads by example. Last year, as the year progressed, Starling developed a different approach to his at-bats. Because he was an elite, three-sport athlete, he is learning more about the "baseball" side of baseball - the side that isn't just skills and athletic ability. That all being said, because he hasn't played as much baseball in his life as many of the other players, the Royals want Starling to have "sustained success" before being promoted.

Don't look for Bubba Starling to rocket through the system unless he truly forces their hand. The Royals expected when they drafted him that it would take him awhile to reach his peak level, but they still feel his peak is as high as any of their players. Many of the players his age have been focused on baseball for 5-15 years. He's been focused on baseball for a year and a half now. That's a big difference, but I would expect someone with Starling current baseball skills and overall athletic ability to make up that difference within the next couple years.

What different styles do Jack Maloof and Andre David have? Why have two hitting coaches?

Maloof and David have the teach the same foundations and fundamentals. They work well together. One advantage to having both of them is that Andre David has a more fatherly approach and cares about the psyche of the batter; whereas, Jack Maloof is more willing to challenge a player. In essence, they have a good cop/bad cop approach when they are able to work together. They also work well with Terry Bradshaw and Jose Castro. They all preach the same program, and they all speak the same language.

Picollo seemed particularly pleased with the hitting program through the organization. It seemed to me that this was something that they've been working toward. He said this allows a consistency throughout the system, and that they all use the same terminology. This is important so that the players don't get confused and they receive the same message throughout their Royals career.

Which minor-league team will have the best record? What should we be looking for in the minor leagues this year?

The Lexington Legends will have "the best blend of consistent hitters and pitchers." Overall, Picollo is particularly impressed with the pitching staffs from A to AAA. He feels very good with the quality of the starting pitching to the point where it might actually create a problem. One of the concerns discussed in the organizational meetings is that a pitcher might be prepared to move up a level, but there might not be a place in the rotation at the next level.

Because of the overall depth in the organization, look for most of the 2012 high school draftees to stay at extended spring training. Around June 1st is when we should expect to see some movement among the minor league players.

As it looks to me, the Royals might not have elite talent at the AAA level at the beginning of the year, but they have several players in the lower minors that could be top-100 prospects next year. Expect the Royals to be prepared to not only promote deserving players, but also demote deserving players.

Want more information from J.J. Picollo? Look for part two of this interview soon!

Bambi 03-10-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 9483534)
17 runs through 6 innings... It's almost cruel how well they are playing this spring, because everyone in the world knows that they can't possibly keep it up through the regular season. Right? :(

Blackhawks

alnorth 03-10-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9482959)
I have never played a baseball game on my PS3 and I really don't play video games at all. I hear the learning curve on this game is steep so I might be in trouble!

I will take a look at the sliders but might need to just start on beginner.

How do you most of you play as far as innings per game and simulation? I am assuming most don't have time to play full 9 inning games?

The pitching is not too difficult, that part you can pick up fairly quickly. Fielding is kinda tricky, but assuming you don't give up and let the computer do all the fielding for you, you'll eventually get that. Baserunning also takes a bit to get used to.

Hitting is what is tough. On beginner its easy, games get comical with the opponent throwing strikes every pitch, and almost every swing is hard hit, with 6-HR games being common. Anything above beginner and its a learning curve even if you bump down the hitting sliders a tick. The thing that is tough is recognizing, and not swinging at, bad pitches. Even a pitch that is in the strike zone if its a low or high strike, you don't want to swing unless you have to because you'll just get yourself out. You slowly learn how to recognize bad pitches and the fact that you are given 3 strikes, so you should use all 3 of them and not feel bad about letting a strike go. There's no way to get good at hitting except lots and lots of practice, I think I played 7 or 8 exhibition games before I started a season.

Prison Bitch 03-10-2013 08:56 PM

Any word on the 5- spot ?

alnorth 03-10-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 9483586)
This year All Star seems to be the perfect level. That link I posted earlier to operation sports has a sub forum for sliders. In there you can probably find the perfect level you. How do you like the hit variety? I play with classic pitch and zone hitting without cursors or hot zones on. Also id recommend turning the fielding from default to just buttons. Absolute baseball heaven.

I haven't gotten up to all star yet, I got rocked on that level. I'm one level below that, but I'm starting to win a lot more often than I lose, so I may need to go up to all-star hitting and pitching soon.

For hitting, I've got zone hitting turned off, thats just too hard for me. I just use timing and accept the fact that my guy might choose to swing too high or low even if I have a pitch perfectly timed. I use pulse pitching. Fielding I've got on the default, the only thing I let the computer help me with is the first steps and fly ball indicators. I also turned on the single-button jump/dive. Other than that, I'm determined to figure out fielding, I finally turned a damned double play today.

I read that a lot of people turned off the variable strike zone, but I left that on. I love the fact that the umpire might blow a ball or strike, its just as likely to help me as not, and it adds a fun little twist to pitching and hitting. I also left on the pitch call-out. I let the CPU basically play the part of the catcher telling me what to throw just like if I was the pitcher, and I think if you hit the mitt outside the strike zone, sometimes the game gives it to you since the catcher is able to frame the pitch.

lewdog 03-10-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9484093)
I haven't gotten up to all star yet, I got rocked on that level. I'm one level below that, but I'm starting to win a lot more often than I lose, so I may need to go up to all-star hitting and pitching soon.

For hitting, I've got zone hitting turned off, thats just too hard for me. I just use timing and accept the fact that my guy might choose to swing too high or low even if I have a pitch perfectly timed. I use pulse pitching. Fielding I've got on the default, the only thing I let the computer help me with is the first steps and fly ball indicators. I also turned on the single-button jump/dive. Other than that, I'm determined to figure out fielding, I finally turned a damned double play today.

I read that a lot of people turned off the variable strike zone, but I left that on. I love the fact that the umpire might blow a ball or strike, its just as likely to help me as not, and it adds a fun little twist to pitching and hitting. I also left on the pitch call-out. I let the CPU basically play the part of the catcher telling me what to throw just like if I was the pitcher, and I think if you hit the mitt outside the strike zone, sometimes the game gives it to you since the catcher is able to frame the pitch.


Maybe we should make a thread in the Media Center since it seems a few of us are playing it and then we don't have to clog this thread? Plus I don't want to join the MLB Show forum to talk about this game. Would just be easier on here.

no love 03-10-2013 11:00 PM

sup y'all

thought we could get back on track here. don't post much, but I check the repository daily.

Hadn't seen this yet, thought I'd share. Sorry if repost
A Little diddy on Myers. Interesting.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb...?sct=uk_bf3_a3

Full disclosure, I was a fan of the trade that brought in Shields. But if this kid turns into Trout, Harper or, gasp, A person people compare other phenoms too... well.
I'm not sure what I'm rooting for, the 2nd coming of Mark Quinn or of a superstar.

alnorth 03-10-2013 11:50 PM

Man, the show is really fun when you've got the difficulty sliders appropriately set. I just got done winning a real struggle 3-1 in extra innings on a walk-off homer against Cleveland. (this was after a 7-4 loss in the first game of the series, I didn't want to go to bed without hopefully beating the Indians in the 2nd game)

Ubaldo Jimenez was just owning my soul, striking me out left and right, I got a random solo homer but that was it, and Guthrie gave up a run from a bunch of hits in the 3rd. I was able to take and foul off enough pitches to get Jimenez out in the 7th, but the damned bullpen kept stranding my runners. Meanwhile, Guthrie was out of gas in the 6th, Crow got me to the 8th before he got in a huge jam, I brought in Hoch but he got the bases loaded after only one out, brought in Collins to get out a lefty to end the 8th, he got in trouble in the 9th, brought in Holland in a tie 1-1 game to shut down the 9th, I couldn't bring home a runner from 2nd, Holland owned the Indians in the 10th, got Butler to 1st in a walk, subbed in Dyson, stole second, and Escobar hit a game-winning walk-off homer, woohoo!

teedubya 03-11-2013 01:35 AM

Quit taking about ****ing video games in here. I come here for Royals news, not video game GM bullshit. This thread is becoming worthless.

alnorth 03-11-2013 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9484390)
Quit taking about ****ing video games in here. I come here for Royals news, not video game GM bullshit. This thread is becoming worthless.

whatever, its March, there is no Royals news.

Archie F. Swin 03-11-2013 06:22 AM

do the Royals use the 3rd base dugout at the Surprise Complex?

mr. tegu 03-11-2013 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9484390)
Quit taking about ****ing video games in here. I come here for Royals news, not video game GM bullshit. This thread is becoming worthless.

You want Royals news? We are destroying everyone who is unfortunate enough to cross our path!

BigCatDaddy 03-11-2013 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9484390)
Quit taking about ****ing video games in here. I come here for Royals news, not video game GM bullshit. This thread is becoming worthless.

This!

Three7s 03-11-2013 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9484433)
You want Royals news? We are destroying everyone who is unfortunate enough to cross our path!

Other than the occassional Hochevar starts!

Prison Bitch 03-11-2013 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 9484390)
Quit taking about ****ing video games in here. I come here for Royals news, not video game GM bullshit. This thread is becoming worthless.

No shit. Who gives a rats ass about video games?

BigCatDaddy 03-11-2013 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9484469)
No shit. Who gives a rats ass about video games?

My 5 year old loves them.

duncan_idaho 03-11-2013 09:03 AM

Hochevar's spring line:

8 IP
8 Ks
6 BBs
6 ER
1.88 WHIP
6.75 ERA

Kid might pitch JUST awful enough to be able to cut him and win the grievance. Maybe.

Of course, the team would have to be willing to cut him, first...

stevenidol 03-11-2013 09:13 AM

Zack Grienke says he doesn't feel 100% comfortable with his elbow, and will undergo a precautionary exam.

Dodgers say the exam is just them being overly cautious.

Man, that would be an expensive injury.

Prison Bitch 03-11-2013 09:14 AM

Like i said, why isn't Mendoza getting the look? He's cheap and he's effective.

duncan_idaho 03-11-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9484676)
Like i said, why isn't Mendoza getting the look? He's cheap and he's effective.

1) Because the Royals don't believe in him, 100 percent.
2) Because the Royals think he's a long reliever, optimally
3) Because Luke Hochevar is still on the roster and they continue to believe he can be "fixed"
4) Because if they can't fix Luke, Bruce Chen is available (who actually is fine at the No. 5 spot).

Mendoza as the long reliever/Chen as the 5 would be fine with me. I fully expect Mendoza to get a handful of starts filling in for Chen and another handful filling in for others in the rotation (Likely candidate: Wade Davis)

Toadkiller 03-11-2013 09:26 AM

Pulling out the big mojo for this season. Was looking through boxes of crap and man do I have a lot of Royals stuff. Made me really miss the good old days. We need the next two years to be great. Oh and parking was 3 bucks.

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/3789/royalsg.jpg

AndChiefs 03-11-2013 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenidol (Post 9484673)
Zack Grienke says he doesn't feel 100% comfortable with his elbow, and will undergo a precautionary exam.

Dodgers say the exam is just them being overly cautious.

Man, that would be an expensive injury.

That's too bad. I like Greinke.

ChiTown 03-11-2013 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9484644)
Hochevar's spring line:

8 IP
8 Ks
6 BBs
6 ER
1.88 WHIP
6.75 ERA

Kid might pitch JUST awful enough to be able to cut him and win the grievance. Maybe.

Of course, the team would have to be willing to cut him, first...


Jesus, he's already in mid-season form........

alnorth 03-11-2013 09:29 AM

The Yankees are asking Derrek Lee to come out of retirement and play 1B until Teixeira gets back. He didn't play at all last year.

It'll be fun watching them crash and burn.

gblowfish 03-11-2013 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9484723)
Jesus, he's already in mid-season form........

We should start Hoch opening day!

gblowfish 03-11-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 9484722)
That's too bad. I like Greinke.

I don't think the Dodgers paid him enough. Maybe if they paid him better his elbow wouldn't ache so much.

Saul Good 03-11-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9484644)
Hochevar's spring line:

8 IP
8 Ks
6 BBs
6 ER
1.88 WHIP
6.75 ERA

Kid might pitch JUST awful enough to be able to cut him and win the grievance. Maybe.

Of course, the team would have to be willing to cut him, first...

Cut him? Dayton's probably working on an extension.

stonedstooge 03-11-2013 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9484644)
Hochevar's spring line:

8 IP
8 Ks
6 BBs
6 ER
1.88 WHIP
6.75 ERA

Kid might pitch JUST awful enough to be able to cut him and win the grievance. Maybe.

Of course, the team would have to be willing to cut him, first...

Told you he was good/Dayton Moore

alnorth 03-11-2013 01:07 PM

There's also pride getting in the way. Rany wrote about it a couple weeks ago:

Quote:

Contrary to how it seems sometimes, the Royals are quite aware of what people think about Hochevar. They are also aware that almost everyone thinks they’ve made a big mistake by retaining him at such a high salary – and by “everyone”, I don’t just mean fans, I mean most front offices. They know they’re bucking conventional wisdom here.

And if they cut bait with him now, they’d be admitting they made a mistake without even giving him the chance to prove it. The embarrassment that would cause makes it highly unlikely that they would do such a thing. The only scenario I could see that would earn him his release is if Hochevar’s stuff is qualitatively down this year – his velocity is gone, or he can’t throw strikes, something like that. Basically, the Royals would need an excuse – an excuse above and beyond the fact that he’s been a lousy pitcher for five years.

Once the season starts, things change. A bad first six weeks in the rotation might be enough to move him to the bullpen, if not off the team. The problem, of course, is that by that point his entire salary is guaranteed.

DeezNutz 03-11-2013 01:19 PM

"conventional wisdom"? LMAO. How about all semblance of common ****ing sense.

Hochevar is a complete sack of ****ing shit. Has been for years. No surprise for anyone paying a modicum of attention.

siberian khatru 03-11-2013 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9484819)
Cut him? Dayton's probably working on an extension.

With a K rate like that, who would blame him? STUFF!

chefsos 03-11-2013 01:56 PM

I don't see KC on the schedule today. Intersquad game?

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Pitt Gorilla 03-11-2013 02:58 PM

I assumed they were hoping Hoch looked good enough to move him in a trade.

siberian khatru 03-11-2013 03:03 PM

Uh-oh:

Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Zack Greinke was scratched from his scheduled start Monday due to elbow irritation and flew back to Los Angeles to be examined by the team's physician.

Greinke, who signed a six-year, $147 million contract in December, threw a bullpen session Friday, but reported the irritation after playing catch on Sunday. He was scheduled to meet with Dr. Neal ElAttrache and to return to the Dodgers' spring training facility in Arizona later Monday afternoon.

The Dodgers said the exam was precautionary.

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said Greinke had a MRI last week that detected no ligament damage.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/s...or-check-elbow

gblowfish 03-11-2013 03:04 PM

"I think Hoch has electric stuff!" - Kyle Davies

KChiefs1 03-11-2013 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9484644)
Hochevar's spring line:

8 IP
8 Ks
6 BBs
6 ER
1.88 WHIP
6.75 ERA

Kid might pitch JUST awful enough to be able to cut him and win the grievance. Maybe.

Of course, the team would have to be willing to cut him, first...


Mendoza has to be the 5th starter.

KChiefs1 03-11-2013 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9484701)
1) Because the Royals don't believe in him, 100 percent.
2) Because the Royals think he's a long reliever, optimally
3) Because Luke Hochevar is still on the roster and they continue to believe he can be "fixed"
4) Because if they can't fix Luke, Bruce Chen is available (who actually is fine at the No. 5 spot).

Mendoza as the long reliever/Chen as the 5 would be fine with me. I fully expect Mendoza to get a handful of starts filling in for Chen and another handful filling in for others in the rotation (Likely candidate: Wade Davis)

Mendoza has to be the 5th starter!!!!!

DeezNutz 03-11-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9485918)
Mendoza has to be the 5th starter!!!!!

Davis is ailing so Hoch gets bumped to four. AND YOU GET YOUR WISH!!!

Shogun 03-11-2013 03:26 PM

It really only matters until Duffy/Paulino come back. Both guys will be great additions once they're back. Especially if Paulino can come back to how he was last year, because he was flashing some ace stuff to start the year.

duncan_idaho 03-11-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9485892)
Uh-oh:

Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Zack Greinke was scratched from his scheduled start Monday due to elbow irritation and flew back to Los Angeles to be examined by the team's physician.

Greinke, who signed a six-year, $147 million contract in December, threw a bullpen session Friday, but reported the irritation after playing catch on Sunday. He was scheduled to meet with Dr. Neal ElAttrache and to return to the Dodgers' spring training facility in Arizona later Monday afternoon.

The Dodgers said the exam was precautionary.

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said Greinke had a MRI last week that detected no ligament damage.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/s...or-check-elbow

Remember a few years ago, when he basically stopped throwing his slider because he wanted to save his elbow for when it mattered?

Hmmmmmmm...

CaliforniaChief 03-11-2013 03:32 PM

At this point, a best case scenario is a Hoch DFA (if that's what it would be called), but that's probably not happening.

I do think Chen has pitched well enough to fetch some value (say a 4th outfielder) in a trade, and would love to see Mendoza start the season as the #5 starter.

Shields
Santana
Davis
Guthrie
Mendoza

duncan_idaho 03-11-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9485904)
Mendoza has to be the 5th starter.

I agree that Mendoza should be the guy, based on last-season. Though I wouldn't raise a fuss if they went with Chen (contract, change-of-pace in a rotation, better overall track record) to start the season.

But the worst possible alignment is giving Hochevar 5th starter status and relegating both Chen and Mendoza to the 'pen. That's probably what will happen, though.

I find it weird that Dayton Moore is so convinced there is a huge market for Luke Hochevar, should the Royals cut him. I mean, I'm sure a few teams would be interested in taking a flyer on him. But it's not like they're going to create a bidding war for him or anything.

Makes me envision rival GMs sitting in a room, waiting for Dayton to call, then all laughing as they talk up Hochevar. "15-game winner." "Great stuff." "I love his attitude and work ethic!"

Either that, or there are just a lot of dumb guys in baseball who can't get over a pitcher with the classic build who looks good in side sessions. I mean, Rick Porcello has been practically as bad as Hochevar (and at times, worse) and apparently there still is a huge trade market for him despite terrible indicators (career k/9 of 5 flat at age 24 with 4 years of MLB experience is just an atrocious sign).

Scout's Eye! (Even if the stats make it clear that the eye lies on a guy).


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