I like Fedor and is he one of the GOATs? Of course he is.

Having said that, I gotta be honest...the fact that he consistently refused to come fight in the UFC once Pride closed and had the biggest morons in the business, M-1, run his career has soured me on him quite a bit.

Lets be real here, Fedor while great hasn't done anything since 2006 and is damn near 0-3 in Strikeforce.

He's in the pantheon of great fighters but I can't call him the overall GOAT because he didnt want to fight the best HWs in the world while he was still in his prime.

Ill probably get killed for this but its ok lol.

Fedor is the GOAT. End of ****ing discussion.

I haven't just started, i been watching MMA since the First UFC back in the mid 90's i am just not all gung ho about the sport. I will watch fights with m y brother in law. He's a big mmo fan.

I just am just a step above casual you can say, i know who most fighters are, but for me, they arent must watch live, like i would say a football or basketball game.

Even the other dude above me said Fedor hasnt done anything good since 2006. Maybe he was a beast in his younger years, I havent seen that in the last few fights i have seen of his. I am wrong, please tell me why. I asked that on another forum, and no one has said why, just basically get asshurt cause, i dont know why.

That isn't really fair to say he hasn't done anything since 2006. He wrecked Sylvia and Arlovski when they were still considered top 10 opponents. That is a fact. The fact that he has lost his last two is signs that he is slowing down and outside of his prime. Its so unfair to say he hasn't done anything since 2006, he ****ing won dominantly. M-1 is complete garbage for him and I admit that as a fan, but he is very loyal to M-1 as they did everything for him as far as manage fights when he was in PRIDE, he trusted/trusts them. Maybe now he will see that they will milk him for the last piece he is worth and that is really sad. Nothing better describes Fedors career but "a decade of dominance"

and for kcxiv, you said you have not seen all of Fedors fights, this is all you need to see in order to feel his dominance

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He destroyed Crocop when crocop was being ranked above him at #1
He destroyed Nogeuria 3 times when many considered when he was champion that he was unbeatable.
He came back against one of the best wrestlers in the division (Randleman) with a broken collar bone from a slam and submitted him with ease
Many more. The fact that people say he has a padded record and is overrated is just ignorance to people that did not watch him Fight when he was in his prime, it is ignorance at its best. Watch that video, seriously. Try and understand. He was ranked #1 at heavyweight for 10 years for a reason.

Fedor has generally fought wars, he takes chaces so he opens himself up to a lot of shots and subs. Against Brett Rogers he got his nose broke and then knocked Rogers the **** out. That's Fedor. The fight again Werdum he just got caught. Last night was really classic Fedor. If they let it continue he probably wins that fight in the 3rd. But it was a stoppage. Maybe you just don't know great fighters when you see them. You had your lips affixed to Lesnar's cock as well didn't you?

Basically this, he is notorious for winning long fights when they go that far and they rarely do. You could tell from Silva's demeanor when he got up and after they said he won via Doc stoppage that he was relieved because he gassed himself out Carwin style. I can't say whether he would have won or not but he would have tried, he can fight with one eye, he has proved it before against Crocop, this is why I miss Japanese Doctors. Basically if you can still see out of one eye and throw punches they let it continue.

Fedor didn't just "get caught" against Werdum...he jumped recklessly not once but twice into the guard of one of the top 2 or 3 BJJ guys in all of MMA. It was ****ing moronic.

See there's no point...there is ZERO objectivity in this discussion.

lol, No, i liked Brock the WWF wrestler and i wanted him to do well in MMA, but i am not a Lesnar fanatic. lol I loved every second of Cain beating his ass.

That is how he's fought all of his fights, and yet it's moronic?

Dumbass.

You wanna say it wasn't moronic...boy you're right, it was ****ing genius...it only lead to him getting choked out.

Try again you ****ing idiot.

Mat Lindland
Hong-Man Choi
Andrei Arlovski
Tim Sylvia

Come on man....really?

None of them posed a serious threat to Fedor and were never going to beat him.

Sorry but nothing impressive there.

He should've been fighting in the UFC fighting the top competition and has refused to time and time again for whatever reason.

Yeah, Shane Carwin, and Brock lesnar are top competition. Until recently, the HW division has been NOTHING. Stop kidding yourself.

Frank mir, Brock lesnar, Shane Carwin, Randy couture.

Here we have

1. A guy who turtles when he gets hit
2. A guy with power who gasses out
3. a 50 year old wrestler with the standup of a 12 year old girl
4. a BJJ black belt who loses to people he shouldnt

Really top competition

Strikeforce has all the HW talent.

We'll just agree to disagree lol...I respect your opinion.

ROFL

Have Fedor's nuts out of your mouth yet???

Just admit it.......Brock > Fedor

Really? JDS wasn't the least bit impressive in his win over Roy Nelson. Not impressive by a mile.

ROFL

Nelson can take a shot. LEsnar is a pussy and cant.

That's how he's always fought. All out. Anyone can get caught. It just took 10 years for someone to catch FEdor. You are a ****ing idiot. I knew it when you starting swallowing Jon Jones cum and talking about how he'd handle Shogun.

It doesn't matter if that's how he always fought....IT WAS ****ING STUPID...HOW HARD IS THAT TO COMPREHEND???

Jesus ****ing Christ...you're such a nuthugging reerun that you're actually trying to defend that or act like it was anything short of stupid.

And if I'm swallowing Jon Jones' cum as so eloquently put it...you're taking full on facials from Fedor while jerking him off.

You have zero ****ing objectivity and act like your OPINION almighty truth when it couldn't be farther from the truth.

Go on now...go beat off to some Fedor Pride videos.

what looks like diving recklessly into a guys guard to you is not to Fedor. That's how stupid you are. That you, a guy with zero mat experience, is saying how stupid of a fighter Fedor is.

Think about that for a while while you chew on that bag of Bones Jones dicks.

Can you ****ing read or are you really reeruned?

I never once said Fedor was a "stupid fighter" all I said was that the strategy he employed in that fight was dumb...which it was, there is zero debating that. Almost everyone after that fight said the same thing, I guess they're all stupid too.

Again you don't look at this any other way than being a Fedor nuthugger...you can't debate sensibly.

Do us all a favor and go blow your ****ing head off with a shotgun......you can write a sappy suicide note stating you did it because Fedor lost. It'll be ok.

That's how Fedor has ALWAYS fought you ****ing monkey.

That's the point. That "strategy" is how he's always fought. And how he's won for more than a decade. It's why n00bs like you should just shut the **** up and not talk about MMA.

I, too, believe that fedor probably wins that fight in the third.

that's what is expected from fedor.


And to the guy saying he was stupid top jump in werdum's guard..... How many guys would have given their back last night over and over? Not many. Worked out for fedor as far as not getting subbed.

If you have actually seen many fights you would know that the escapes he pulled off don't happen very often after being locked down like silva did.
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A lot of fighters would've given their back up if their face was getting pounded in like Fedor was...he was getting killed in the mount and the logical solution there is to give the back up when you can't escape.

In fact quite frequently a fighter will give up his back when he's closed to being pounded out in the mount...its where a lot of RNCs come from. Of course I wouldn't know that because I don't watch that many fights apparently. What a load of ****ing shit that is and is such a stupid attempt of an insult when someone has a differing opinion.

Anyways that has about **** all to do with the Werdum fight so I have no idea why it was even brought up.

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And I wasn't trying to insult you. Sorry
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Ok cool...my bad.

I understand what you were trying to say, trust me, but the circumstances were COMPLETELY different between those fights.

Ah yes.....when all else fails, reerunian reverts back to his "superior" mat credentials.

All you resort to is hanging on Lesnar's nutsack.

Seriously. I was trying to remember if you ever actually made a post about MMA that wasn't related to a Lesnar discussion. If so, what the ratio of posts by you related to MMA that weren't LEsnar related. I bet the great majority of posts by you related to MMA are all about Lesnar.

I bet you're a bet rasslin fan aren't you........heh

****ing n00b

I wouldn't pick him over anyone but he'll damn sure beat the hell out of Lesnar.

And for the record just so I can get in on this conversation and be called names like I was 7........I believe Fedor's only problem at this point is that he is not training with a top camp. He doesn't have anyone to push him. If you're always the best guy at your training camp how can you get any better?

Fedor's management may end up hurting his legacy a bit in the end. It's really sad.

I'm really don't how Fedor comes out and wins that third round. That eye was swollen shut and he was pretty badly beaten. All the great ones fall of a cliff eventually and 35 is about right for most MMA guys not named Randy.

i dont know HOW he would have won it either i just feel he would have.


track record.

Maybe at one time, but with that eye no way a competant ref let's that next round happen anyways.

I guess it's all moot now. The tourney seems to be a foregone conclusion at this point. Overeem doesn't reall have much to worry about if he gets past Werdum.

I want to see him mow down Silva. I really do.

Plus I think you are under estimating some of the rest of the field.

He hasn't been that active, but I'm surpised Barnett isn't getting more love then he is. He has the easiest 1st round IMO.

Yes that's exactly what I was thinking.

The last few fights I've seen Barnett in he seems to have lost a step or two. Or maybe its just me.

i have felt the same way.


plus i have always thought he was such a douchebag

Wrestling sucks now.....it was good when they had the Monday Night cable ratings wars back around 2000 or so b/w WWF and Turner's WCW....that's about it though.


As far as posts about Lesnar......who ****ing cares? At the time he was the current UFC HW champ. I'm not the one who acts like he's the information minister of MMA like you do.

Because he had beat NOBODY and had huge holes in his game yet you wouldn't should the **** up about how unstoppable he was. A 280 pound guy beating tomato cans that can't take a punch doesn't impress me. Shouldn't impress anyone.

Glad to see that TheGuardian still makes this thread entertaining.

This is a new one to me.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/02/1...cuses-for-loss

Fedor Emelianenko lost on Saturday night, and while a doctor's stoppage is not the most conclusive way to win or lose a bout, there's no denying that Emelianenko got decisively beaten up in the second and final round. Antonio Silva took him down and smashed him up for nearly the full five minutes. Even if Fedor himself says he could have continued, fighters agree to compete under the care of the referees and doctors in regards to their long-term health and protection, and the ringside physician feared for Emelianenko's vision after seeing his right eye completely closed.

It's only a few days later, but coaches on his team have been quoted many times in the Russian sports media talking about the loss. It's their right to explain what went wrong, but what about when they start floating conspiracy theories?

The most ridiculous one floated? One by his trainer Vladimir Voronov, who claimed in an interview with Lifesports.ru that illegal methods of psychological warfare were used. His claim? Hypnosis.

According to a translation of Voronov's interview, he believes certain "technologies" were used on both fighters from a distance that negatively affected Emelianenko's performance. His reasoning for the wild theory? Fedor did exactly the opposite of what they practiced beforehand. Also, before the fight, he thinks Fedor looked "a little depressed."

Of course, Voronov has no real evidence for the claim, and his only reason for it is the fact that Fedor lost. He also doesn't address how or why the hypnotists allowed Fedor to win the first round on two of the three judges' scorecards, risking their whole insane plot.

Hypnosis as an excuse? Now I've heard everything.

Also getting in a say was Emelianenko's striking coach Alexander Michkov, who spoke to another Russian site, Championat.ru. Michkov was asked about the size differential between Emelianenko and Silva.

Guess what? He pretty much accused Silva of juicing.

"Think about it, how can the normal human being gain 10 kilograms in 24 hours?" he said. "There is something fishy here. The fact is, all our fighters, I am talking about Russian fighters, that are fighting under the banner of M-1, train on their natural abilities. Of course, they take vitamins, but that's it. Meanwhile, all the foreign fighters, I think about 99 percent of them are taking chemicals. Obviously it was not a problem for Silva to make weight without problems. He weighed 264 pounds on the day of weigh-ins, and the next day, he was already over 280. He gained 10 kilograms. It's very hard to fight with a fighter like this."

Michkov's statement isn't so factually true. First off, not all of his M-1 fighters train on their natural abilities. Kirill Sidelnikov was busted for steroids in 2009 and served a one-year suspension.

Of course, Silva infamously tested positive for the steroid boldenone after a fight in July 2008, so the accusation is an easy one to make against him, but the size thing, well that's just puzzling.

Silva has always cut weight to make the 265-pound limit, and fought well over that on fight night.

Here are his weigh-in results of his last five fights before he fought Fedor: 263, 265.5, 263, 267, 261. Silva has always flirted with the very top of the heavyweight scale, and he's put on more size in the last year or so. Silva said after the event that he weighed 285 on fight night.

That should have come as no surprise to Emelianenko's team. Even if he had only gained five pounds, to 270, he still would have had a 40-pound weight advantage. Would that have made a difference in either fighter's performance? If this was going to be an excuse after the fight, it should have been a complaint before it.

Re-hydrating 20 pounds is not uncommon in MMA, and Emelianenko has certainly faced others who've done the same thing in his recent past, including Brett Rogers and Tim Sylvia. Are they really that flummoxed by something as simple as weight-cutting?

Michkov went on to talk about steroids testing in the tournament, charging Alistair Overeem with using steroids and saying that Strikeforce declined Olympic style testing "because everyone will get busted but Fedor."

Emelianenko's team had a right to demand an even playing field, and given the lengthy period during his re-negotiations process, they certainly had every chance to get it. Now, with Emelianenko essentially eliminated from the field -- barring an advancing fighter's injury withdrawal and reconsideration from the tournament committee -- all of this sounds like a lot of bluster and misdirection.

Emelianenko himself handled the loss with dignity. He congratulated Silva and walked out of the arena shaking the hands of fans on his way to the locker room. His camp hasn't handled it quite as well. Losing is never easy, and it's probably even more difficult when you're so used to winning, but accusing everyone else of cheating is hardly behavior worthy of the team of one of the greatest champions this sport has ever known. It would be more helpful if they took a page from their fighter and simply moved on.

Jumped up jesus christ on the cross.......hypnosis?really?!?
Also it's not that hard for a dude that size to shed or gain 16 lbs of water

:facepalm:

Yeah, training with a sain team might do him some good.

Tito should just ****ing retire.

Tito Ortiz Out of UFC Fight Night 24

he really has nothing left

I really with Bellator would sign Gerald Harris

^^Hes actually fighting at Tachi palace fights 9 on may 5th!

I can't understand the UFC cut process. Some guys with real potential get tossed while guys like Phil Baroni keep hanging around

I saw that. I was just stating that I wish he was on the MTV2 season. Starts pretty quick here!

BTW Did anyone see the prefight presser for 127? I got a good laugh out of Bisping. I can't wait for Saturday anymore.

Lol at baroni showing his junk to bill goldberg after a fight.
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WHy is Florian dropping down to 145 for 131? I don't really give a shit about him either way so I'm just waiting to see how unhealthy he looks. What doesn't he work on his wrestling and tdd instead of working on getting smaller?

Hopefully he starts pissing during the fight and gets choked out again.

Because he can't cut it fighting 155's. Also he won't look unhealthy, its a good weight for him because of his naturally skinny frame. Anderson Silva cuts from 230 to fight at 185.

Anyone think Rivera has a shot on saturday?

Oh yeah, he has gotten into Bispings head. He wanted to piss him off bad to make him Brawl with him, Bisping doesn't want to do that.

Watch this vid lmao

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I've seen them all. Bisping's comments about the videos during the presser were pretty funny. It's gonna be hilarious if Rivera catches him but unfortunately it's not gonna happen.

I'm glad Mr. Wonderful found his way into a decent fight

Absolutely, Bisping is a good fighter, but far from great. It's a toss up to me, I just hope Rivera KO's him.

I agree, I really don't think Florian is phyiscally strong enough to beat the top 155ers. Of course now he's got som real dog fights on his hands at 145 too. There aren't any easy divisions anymore.

Like Bisping is some kind of awesome fighter. He's a second tier bitch.

He can really handle himself until he gets in with the top guys. He can beat the crap out of the Dennis Kang's of the world all day long.

The best is when Hendo put Big Mouth Bisping to sleep.

This.

I forget who but somebody here had that as their sig for a while.

Alright I want Rivera to win obviously but come on the fights not a coinflip lol

Yup. LOL one of my fave moments of all time as far as fights go.

For sure, with all the build up from TUF when Bisping went to sleep it was epic. I loved the way Hendo sized him up and finally when the time was right, lights out!!!

LOL Actually it was the shot after he was clearly out that I laughed my ass off about.

Right-o! Here's another one, Mikey, for good measure! Sleep well! LOL!

That's what happens to a guy who the russian mob has been threatening throughout his whole career to fight for them or else(speculative opinion by the author of this post).

supposedly childhood friends.




Supposedly. But I am with you.
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I'd say every fight with Bisping is a coin flip, unless he's a huge underdog. He's not good enough for me to say he will definitely beat anyone.

Exactly. Bisping is a second tier guy. He's never going to be a guy fighting for a title unless the division is void of any real talent to to bottom.

Ummm, what the hell are you guys talking about? If you look at his 3 losses (Evans, Hendo, Silva) he was a decent sized underdog in all 3. I'd say he was a 'big' underdog (probably +200 to +280) in the first two and was probably about +140 to +160 in the Silva fight? So you're telling me a guy who's won every other fight outside of 3 that he was a decent to huge sized dog is 50/50 against anyone that he's not a big underdog against? lmfao! And don't give me any 'that was then, this is now' bullshit because that's just not true. I hate the guy too and I want Rivera to knock him the **** out but there's no way you can call this fight a coinflip.

So hopefully Rivera does win so Guardian can come back and be results oriented act like that proves I'm wrong when it's something that's not really debatable. That'll at least make me laugh.