Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13270433)

Here's the thing: Veach has been more impressive with his moves in June that Dorsey was for the entire year of 2016/2017.

Dorsey drafted one impact player in 2017 in Kareem Hunt, whose fallen off a cliff (for various reasons) since September.

Chris Jones was a nice 2nd round pick in 2016 but his play has dropped off considerably this year. We can chalk it up to his Arthroscopic Surgery just before Training Camp or this being his Sophomore Season. But either way, he's fallen off quite bit from where he ended 2016 and where he started 2017.

Before the 2016 season even started, KeiVarie Russell, a 3rd round CB, was cut. Parker Ehinger landed on IR after less than 5 games (and struggled in the ground game). DJ White has been cut. Eric Murray has been below average and while Tyreek Hill was awesome last year in multiple positions, he had seriously heavy baggage attached.

All that said, Veach signed Harrison Butker, who has been nothing short of awesome and traded a 2019 4th round pick (which equates to a 6th round 2019 pick) for Reggie Ragland, #2 linebacker coming out of high school and won a National Championship for Alabama in 2015. Ragland has been all over the field and his future is unlimited.

He also traded for Kevin Pierre-Louis, who's improving each week and has seen his snap count increasing each week.

The bottom line is that Veach has done more to affect the Chiefs 2017 season that Dorsey's done in two drafts.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13270425)

Not disagreeing with that. I agree Smith holds value and someone would trade for him for sure.

Just not sure it would be Dorsey

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13270437)

Tyreek?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13270442)

Oops, I typed too fast and forgot to mention him.

Yes, for sure.

But Hill is the perfect example of Dorsey hitting on a "low character guy", ala Travis Kelce and Marcus Peters.

Those were his best hits, IMO. The low character guys.

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13270443)

I would want a first and Gordon

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 13270365)

I know we all hate Smith, but he would instantly give the Browns stability, and probably make them respectable in one season. That said he'd be a one season solution. Is that worthy of a pick? I think so.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13270453)

I think we'd be very fortunate to get the 33rd pick for Alex. Not impossible, but seems unlikely.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13270439)

The Browns would be a perfect fit. Hue Jackson can scheme around his limitations and guys like Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman would help him out more than any current Chiefs receiver, sans Tyreek Hill.

They also invested quite a bit in their offense line so that shouldn't be an issue for him.

The bottom line is that the Browns could do a lot worse. Personally, I'd rather have Alex Smith and Josh Rosen learning the system than overpaying Kirk Cousins and have him possibly turn into a pumpkin.

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13270444)

Agreed, hopefully Peters gets fixed

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13270461)

Cousins already is a pumpkin IMO, he has just enough arm and moxie to get you beat

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13270470)

why in the world would Dorsey want a 34 year old QB that was part of the franchise that fired him? He can literally start fresh and get anyone else.