This is really the argument for not taking a LT. Any DT you take at 31 is not necessarily an impact player because of the fit. You’d be stashing a DT to eventually take CJs spot. The nose type of DTs can be picked later.

The view on Simmons here is different from what I’m reading online and seeing in his workouts like his pro day where Simmons is showing that his rehab is on pace to get back to 100%. I don’t see anyone saying that Simmons is a 2nd rounder. Could yall be right and he’s damaged goods? absolutely. That just doesn’t seem to be being leaked to the press anywhere and he seemed to move well at his pro day.

We have another thread where there is a debate on who you have more confidence in Moore at LT or Kingsley at LG and it seems like most people are pretty nervous at both positions. Who’s the backup for Kingsley & Moore if either struggles? That 49ers offense does a lot to protect their LT with the running game and short passes. I feel like we are undervaluing competition and depth across the oline. We are thin.

A DT like Nolen or Grant would be expected to play a lot, immediately. Grant can 1T and had explosiveness to rush the passer, too. Either could play inside next to Jones when KC is in its pass rush package. Wharton played a ton of snaps last year, and either of those guys could slot into those snaps.

It is more than a stash for Jones. It’s a player that would play a lot and add to the pass rush.

I don’t really believe either of those Stats will be there for KC to choose from at 31, though.

Re: Simmons and perception elsewhere, how many people are diving in as deeply as Crow there? How many are looking at the traditional precedents for torn patellar tendons, and what players are/get back to afterwards?

Cadillac Williams, Jerod Mayo, Ryan Williams, Jimmy Graham, Victor Cruz, Morris Claiborne, JC Jackson…

All star level guys who tore their patellar tendon and were not the same afterwards.

I think folks that are hand-waiving Simmons’ ability to make a full recovery are simply not paying attention to the ugly history there.

NFL teams won’t put their heads in the sand on that.

I think people see what they want to see, and ignore what they don't.

Usually.

It's also true that the longer the reach the more likely the fall. Don't reach. Take the BPA unless that's a HB or guard.

I'm not as high on the HB's as most seem to be but I think the upper middle (B+ to C+ range players) is huge this year. Taking a HB from rounds 2-5 should be much more fruitful than most years. Even the lower round talent is deep at HB.

That’s interesting on the history of patellar tendon. I didn’t know that. Nolen won’t be there. I would be tempted to move up for him if he fell. Grant is interesting and I definitely wouldn’t be upset with that. It’s the depth of this dline class would make me want to take another DT in 2nd or third. I see the need and value at LT as enormous. I don’t trust Moore. I think Kingsley will be ok. But I still see oline as our biggest team weakness considering how differently Mahomes plays with a porous oline. I get the argument for RB but I think we can fill that spot later in the draft as well.

A 1st round pick's fifth year is worth something unto itself.

We signed our LT. That's it

He’s 33 years old… not ancient… surprising…

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Since this has become a Simmons thread. Are there guys who have played well after a torn petellae

Our most mocked player among all expert draft boards are left tackles. Even after our signing.

Explain.

I'm not a real Kenneth Grant Fan, because a NT like that can be found in the later rounds. If the Chiefs go DT then I'd want Harmon

Everybody and their dog saw what happened last year. Sports media is good at pointing out the obvious. This happens every year - draftniks build their boards based on what they think teams need. We've all seen the results. It really doesn't matter what they think, they're right about as much as they are wrong because they're guessing.

How many games has he started in again? Bottom line is that it's risky to play someone at LT who's been a career backup.

It's even more risky to trade up for a guy that isn't a blue chip prospect.

So don't.

Trade down and add more chips.