Nope. If you want to talk about overrated, we can start with never making the playoffs in your entire career to date, padding your rebounding stats by fighting your own teammates for boards and getting into rebounding position early instead of contesting shots, being one of the league's worst rim protectors (allowing 57% FG at the rim, only Tristan Thompson and Thad Young were worse), and still being labeled "the best PF in the league." I'll take Anthony Davis, Griffin, Aldridge, Duncan, or Dirk over Love any day of the week.

Oh, I don't consider him the best. I'd take Paul millsap over him. I'm just saying. Love also can't defend. But live is a great passer, he is a great shooter, and with LeBron and kyrie driving that makes love deadly.

These are things I'm concerned about too.

I think he's absolutely worth max contract. But not on a team like Cleveland right now that has two other max contracts, no defense (other than LBJ), and no stable rim protectors.

The Cavs might be able to get by with Love's poor rim protection if not for Kyrie's own issues on the defensive end. If they trade the farm for Love, they're stuck with a Big Three in which only one of the stars plays defense, and not much else. That's why I'm not crazy about this trade for Cleveland, and if I were a Cavs fan, I'd rather take my chances with Wiggins (who at least has shown the willingness to defend).

I'm not trying to totally shit on Love, and he is a good passer and scorer, but there are just other players at his position who can do that at a high level while still providing better rim protection.

As a Cavs fan, trust me, for some reason you're the only one that can see this. Let's also not forget that Wiggins costs only $5.5M. Love will cost $20M. The Cavs can basically get Wiggins and a $15M player at the same cap charge as Love. For some reason, people keep treating this like it's a Wiggins/Bennett for Love trade straight up.

NBA has to get rid of the matching salaries stipulation in trades. Its stupid as **** and makes making trades unnecessarily complex and drawn out.
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If they both suck, what haul would Cleveland have left?

Adding the 28th pick in the first round next year to Wiggins/Bennett just isn't that much more value. Many teams try to trade out of the late first round because you're locked into a guaranteed contract taking a guy like Josh Huestis.

There's an argument for going the direction you suggest, I don't think it's a crazy path. But when you already have LeBron and Irving, why risk an unknown (Wiggins/Bennett) when you know you're getting major production from Love. Fill in with a cheap rim protector (a guy like Chris Anderson was for the Heat), sign a Thabo, Brandon Rush, etc. for cheap that can give you some wing defense and rock and roll. If you have Irving and Wiggins signed to long term deals at today's max, in two years that looks a lot better. LeBron gets more expensive, but you have defined production with predictable cost. A good GM continues to pull the right strings to put competent players around them. That's why pro GM's get paid 7 figures in many cases.

I'd open up the talks to Kyrie Irving o:-)


Seriously though. They shouldn't even have him. Kyrie Irving should be a Timberwolf right the **** now. The only reason why he's not is because the NBA cluelessly uses the worst possible scheme to determine draft order. And if I thought tinfoil was fashionable, I'd go so far as to claim that it's ****ing rigged to shit.

It wasn't that long ago that teams were selling top 10 picks for cash.

I'm not a tin foil wearer but that shit is fuking rigged.

Just look at Cleveland's luck in it starting with Lebron. Then Lebron sign and trade, how many were 1 overall? Ping pong balls...
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If they suck in the first half of the season, their stock might drop, but Wiggins is still a huge get because of upside. They still have Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, and 3 first round picks. You also have preseason to get a sense for if they fit your system or not.

They are two #1 picks. The chances of both of them flat-out sucking is pretty unlikely. And again, you don't have to trade for Love. You can still shop around for other players who won't require a superstar haul.

Well, thank you for that. At least you acknowledge what I'm saying isn't crazy talk even if you don't agree.

I think Love is easily the best option... for 2 years. Unless Lebron takes a paycut and that could honestly happen. If not, three max contracts is basically the entire salary cap. I just don't see rounding out the roster with no money to be nearly as simple as people on here make it out to be. And I don't see keeping Wiggins and Bennett to be nearly as risky as people make it out to be, considering you can use those cap savings to buy a pricey free agent.

I don't even want the bulls to get love...

our front court of Noah, Gibson, Gasol and Mirotic as absolutely sick and Doug McDermott has been tearing up (at least offensively) the summer league.

A healthy Rose and I still think the Bulls are the frontrunner this year no matter what the Cavs do (in the East)

A lot of people here just go by what the national media tells them.