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thabear04 07-22-2014 03:52 PM

But the Cavs can't trade Wiggins until 30 days.

chiefzilla1501 07-22-2014 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 10760413)
But the Cavs can't trade Wiggins until 30 days.

Wiggins hasn't signed yet. They are trying to sign him so they can finalize other deals. Hence, why this is coming to a head.

-King- 07-22-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10760406)
Absolutely. None of this makes sense. All of a sudden, a day after it's announced Wiggins is close to signing, all these teams enter the mix completely out of nowhere? Hmm....

The Cavs' best move is to wait until midseason and at least see what they have in Wiggins and Bennett. Period.

Well that would be stupid.

chiefzilla1501 07-22-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10760422)
Well that would be stupid.

Why?

Worst case scenario, the Cavs lose out on Love. Oh well. They keep three first round picks, groom two #1 picks, and have a ton of cap space to bring in a very good veteran. Bennett + Wiggins + a very good veteran is nothing to complain about. And they'd still have great trade bait in Waiters, Bennett, Thompson, and three first rounders. Why are people stuck on the idea that Love is the only very good veteran the Cavs can bring in the next 2 years?

Best case scenario, the Wolves are bluffing and the Cavs see what they have in Wiggins and Bennett first. If they both suck, then give Minnesota a huge haul. If they both combine to be very good, that motivates them to keep them or increases their trade value.

thabear04 07-22-2014 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10760420)
Wiggins hasn't signed yet. They are trying to sign him so they can finalize other deals. Hence, why this is coming to a head.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ract/12993367/

KevB 07-22-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10760046)
Why in the hell would Bulls need Love with Noah and Gasol?

Because Gasol should only really be playing 25-28 minutes per game at this point. Love and Noah get starter minutes, Gasol gets most of the rest with Mirotic filling in the gaps. That's assuming Gasol is ok coming off the bench. Bulls would have issues on the wing if they let Butler go, but Tony Snell looked good in summer league. You just need him to defend and hit a few open looks.

KevB 07-22-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10760451)
Why?

Worst case scenario, the Cavs lose out on Love. Oh well. They keep three first round picks, groom two #1 picks, and have a ton of cap space to bring in a very good veteran. Bennett + Wiggins + a very good veteran is nothing to complain about. And they'd still have great trade bait in Waiters, Bennett, Thompson, and three first rounders. Why are people stuck on the idea that Love is the only very good veteran the Cavs can bring in the next 2 years?

Best case scenario, the Wolves are bluffing and the Cavs see what they have in Wiggins and Bennett first. If they both suck, then give Minnesota a huge haul. If they both combine to be very good, that motivates them to keep them or increases their trade value.

3 first round picks? Are you saying they'd have to trade 3 future first rounders with Wiggins and Bennett? That's insane. Wiggins/Bennett and maybe 1 first round pick. And with LeBron, that pick is 26-31 in the first round, so really, what value does that even bring? You'd rather have a high 2nd than a late 1st.

KevB 07-22-2014 05:21 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Utah's trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/491716823331528705">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>In Murphy, Lucas and Thomas, Cavs get three non-guaranteed contracts to facilitate trades -- or a trade. Another step toward Kevin Love.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/491718242134929408">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>This is the smaller deal Cavaliers have been pursuing in recent days to try and roll into the larger scope deal with Minnesota.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/491718773859438592">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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chiefzilla1501 07-22-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10760600)
3 first round picks? Are you saying they'd have to trade 3 future first rounders with Wiggins and Bennett? That's insane. Wiggins/Bennett and maybe 1 first round pick. And with LeBron, that pick is 26-31 in the first round, so really, what value does that even bring? You'd rather have a high 2nd than a late 1st.

No, I'm pointing out that as of right now, they have three first round picks which make very good bargaining chips for a sign and trade if they chose to not go the Love route. They also have 3 top 5 picks in Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett.

Just Passin' By 07-22-2014 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10760618)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Utah's trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/491716823331528705">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>In Murphy, Lucas and Thomas, Cavs get three non-guaranteed contracts to facilitate trades -- or a trade. Another step toward Kevin Love.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/491718242134929408">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>This is the smaller deal Cavaliers have been pursuing in recent days to try and roll into the larger scope deal with Minnesota.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/491718773859438592">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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So...

Wiggins, Bennett, scrubs and a pair of 1st round picks for Love? That gets the money in range, but is there more as part of Minnesota forcing Martin into the package?

dirk digler 07-22-2014 05:28 PM

With that trade KevB just posted it is only a matter of time for the Love trade to go down IMO.

KevB 07-22-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10760620)
No, I'm pointing out that as of right now, they have three first round picks which make very good bargaining chips for a sign and trade if they chose to not go the Love route. They also have 3 top 5 picks in Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett.

And the fact that those 3 top five picks produced superstars such as Waiters/Thompson/Bennett speak to just how suspect first round picks can be when building a roster. There's absolutely no given that any first round pick the next three years actually enhances your team around LeBron. When you have guys like LeBron and Irving, you leverage the promise of first round picks to bad teams and get back proven vets that can actually help you win in the playoffs. I'd suggest Love is the best alternative in the short term. Maybe something else comes along in the next two years, but a bird in the hand....

chiefzilla1501 07-22-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10760639)
And the fact that those 3 top five picks produced superstars such as Waiters/Thompson/Bennett speak to just how suspect first round picks can be when building a roster. There's absolutely no given that any first round pick the next three years actually enhances your team around LeBron. When you have guys like LeBron and Irving, you leverage the promise of first round picks to bad teams and get back proven vets that can actually help you win in the playoffs. I'd suggest Love is the best alternative in the short term. Maybe something else comes along in the next two years, but a bird in the hand....

KevB, I don't care about the three first rounders except that they are valuable trading chips. The Cavs still have options especially with the extra cap dollars they'll have by not signing yet another max contract guy. I don't see why the trade has to be Love.

GoChargers 07-22-2014 05:46 PM

I can't be the only one who thinks Love is somewhat overrated and not worthy of this much hype over being traded, right?

Mav 07-22-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 10760703)
I can't be the only one who thinks Love is somewhat overrated and not worthy of this much hype over being traded, right?

Lol. He's better than your power forward. If you want to talk about overrated.


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