[QUOTE=RINGLEADER;13299832]he did his own thing that just doesn’t fit within that story. [/qoute]

How does it not fit? It doesn't fit within many fan theories about what was going to happen, but fits just fine connected to TFA.

Like what?

What rules were broken again? Johnson worked with Lucas' guy that has his finger directly on the pulse of what does and does not fall within the universe and he approved everything.

RT is never going to admit that bots subverted their system. Their system cannot confirm that the person rating the movie has actually seen the movie, let alone is an actual person.

Not even close Luke was having trouble envisioning the training blaster, and in all intents purposes was a weak bitch compared what Rey did from VII to VIII. She was being thrown around by Ben at 1st then second meet they were on equal footing, even though Ben had YEARS of training

Something else that isn’t even close. One grew up on a farm with parental figures while the other grew up fighting to survive. Which one was mentally stronger when they discovered their ability. Rey was tied down and about to be tortured when it happened. Luke recently had his world turned upside down.

It’s just an apples to oranges comparison, IMO

Wow, epic level of bitching on this thread. I saw it last night and I enjoyed it a lot. I get amused by all the vitriol spewed by haters on the internet. Some people don't know how to have fun. Was it perfect? No. Was it very enjoyable sci-fi with characters I love? Yes.

I just don't get some of the bitching. Luke was always a whiny dude, big surprise he's now a crusty old man.

Rey only beat KR in TFA because he was wounded and he was mentally and emotionally shattered by having just killed his own dad, snokes even mentions it in this movie.

The humor was fine, Star Wars has always mixed in a lot of silly humor. This was a lot better than the comic relief of Jar Jar.

Expanding the force abilities is also consistent. The Jedi in the prequels were powerful, but not all that much since they couldn't sense the sith or even Annakin getting married and having kids. In the original trilogy, the force was used in all kinds of ways beyond the prequels such as Luke visions while training, and dead people talking to him and appearing to him. Is it that hard to believe that a magical force that moves objects with mind power and allows communication with the dead can float a chick through space or allow visual communication across space?

Some people just need to lighten the F up.

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It could easily be subverted.

Well stated, directly from Hamill.

Rian didn't make that decision, though.

That was JJ. HE stuck him on that island.

Rian gave us a viable character arc and an amazing finish from that setting.

There isn't a shred of drama if Luke is like "hey, look, my old lightsaber, let's go KICK ASS young rey!"

That's because she had a moment with the force.

Just like Luke in Episode IV.

Get over it.

Rian Johnson absolutely made that decision.

Rey finding Luke on Ach-To could have gone many different ways, from Luke explaining that he sought to find the first Jedi Temple in order to defeat Snoke and Kylo Ren, to explaining that he sought to find the Tree of Knowledge (which is what it was, figuratively speaking) so that he could create a better Jedi Order or to the creation of a new order of Force users, etc.

It wasn't necessary for Luke to be a dour man, hiding from the situation that he partially created while refusing to help his sister, The Resistance and the galaxy.

But that was Rian Johnson's decision and some people hate the film because of it and it's pretty clear that Mark Hamill doesn't like this characterization, either.

This Luke reminds me of the dark Knight rises depressed Batman

I think it's a stretch that green saber, ass kicking Luke Skywalker straight up abandons the rebel cause without a word and allowed someone with the raw strength of Kylo to wreak havoc on the galaxy.

But JJ just had to have his mystery box, and as per usual, didn't plot out the consequences his mystery would have on the overall story.

Rian picked up JJ's loose thread and stitched it up beautifully.

Going to go see it again today, this time with the kid. She's a closet nerd, so I'm interested in what she's going to think about it.

After the first viewing, the two main things I couldn't stand were the slow motion chase through space and the way Luke went out. I'll see if my reaction changes on a second viewing (NOT 3D this time) and try to pick up all the little eggs I missed the first time through.