ChiefsPlanet - Chiefs The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

Logic would say you guys are right.

I'm not entirely sure the Jones camp is operating from logic right now. I mean, we saw it from Brown's camp just a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17070768)

Absolutely.

I get being frustrated. But mad at the guy? Be mad at him if he’s not playing week 1. Be mad at him if it’s week 3 and he doesn’t have a sack.

I don’t think he deserves all this vitriol yet. But that can change.

Yeah, and I totally get how things are trending towards CJ and his agent overplaying their hand and maybe even not negotiating in good faith, but even the good faith part is kind of a theory right now since there's still time for him to report.

Not a ton of time, obviously... and along with the Twitter trolling, the possibility of being benched a game or two because it's gotten to this point is bad form (earning a game check from a suite).

Beyond that.... meh. Just let it play out. We'll know soon enough if we really need the pitchforks.

FringeNC

08-24-2023 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17070768)

I don't know. I think we've already passed into the stage where CJ and his camp realize the only leverage they really have is for Chris Jones to be a disgruntled employee. All we are asking him to do is play out his last year on his contract (and be extremely well compensated) and then he can go seek the few extra mill per year the Chiefs weren't offering. That's not good enough for him, evidently.

It's clear Veach thinks his contract demands would not work well within the salary cap constraints. It shouldn't really very hard for CJ to understand. So he reports, plays this year, and leaves. It's already unlikely he'd be 100% for week 1 if he reports today.

tredadda

08-24-2023 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 17070433)

Sooo, this is a stupid Mexican Standoff. CJ wants similar A. Donald $$$$ that HE does not deserve. Donald gets $31 mill a year and deservingly so. CJ wants $30 mill and does NOT deserve to be in that conversation.

Multiple defensive tackles have signed massive contract extensions this offseason, including the New York Giants' Dexter Lawrence (25 yrs old) and Washington Commanders' Daron Payne (26 yrs old), who each signed four-year, $90 million extensions. The Tennessee Titans signed Jeffery Simmons (26 yrs old) to a four-year, $94 million deal and the New York Jets signed Quinnen Williams (25 yrs old) to a four-year, $96 million contract. Chris Jones will turn 30 yrs old this season. My point is that Chris Jones is joining the party too late. When he got his contract in 2020, HE was handsomely paid - today the youth above is relishing in TODAY'S market - Chris Jones is out of the 25/26 year old range asking for handsome funds. We shall see. His demands would CRUSH our salary cap like Eric Berry and Frank Clark. For me? franchise his ass for the next 2 seasons (2024 - 2025) or simply let him walk at the end of this season - He will play what 8 possibly 12 games?

Excellent take. Donald is a three time DPOY and a first ballot HOF player. Jones is good, but has only ever been a runner up and is currently not on a HOF track. I would love for Jones to stay here as he is a critical part of this defense, but if he's unwilling to without budging on his demands, then it will be best for both to part ways. Those other DTs are younger and make less than he is asking. It would be foolish to give in to Jones.

tredadda

08-24-2023 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 17070733)

I don't think they think that anymore. Honestly, I'm not sure he wants to be here anymore.

Why? Who knows but it seems like it is getting personal and doesn't have much to do w money.

That's a good point. I wonder if them cutting Clark has anything to do with this and if he would have been more open to signing what Veach offered had Frank still been here. It's obvious they were close.

O.city

08-24-2023 07:34 AM

I still think there's some optimism that they're close. There hasn't been another move announced to free up some space cap wise. They ain't rollin into the season with what they've got.

tredadda

08-24-2023 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17070768)

I'm at the point of thinking about it like he was injured and wont suit up until Week 1-8. The cost is sunk regardless and injuries are a part of it, so in my thinking KC will have to adjust to either scenario and in some ways this could actually benefit the defense as they learn to live without him.

Marcellus

08-24-2023 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17070387)

Suicide in the parking lot.

That season was already shot by then.

KCUnited

08-24-2023 07:48 AM

Even when its not about the money its always about the money but I just can't help but think this one time it might be something more. Like Frank Clark feelings, or his dad, or how red makes him look fat.

RunKC

08-24-2023 07:50 AM

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Why are Jones and the Chiefs at an impasse?

Taylor: The Chiefs are unwilling to make Jones the highest-paid player at his position. Jones, meanwhile, wants an extension that will pay him an annual salary of $30 million, making him the clear second-highest-paid defensive tackle. The Chiefs believe they have a good offer, one that would make Jones one of the highest-paid players at his position.

But Jones believes his talent and his value to the team last season — in which he produced career highs of 15 1/2 sacks and 29 quarterback hits — should make him worthy enough of his $30 million per season request. — Taylor

Don't think it's that complicated. Veach made him an offer. Probably around $27-28 million APY and Chris wants $30 million.

Andy said there's no communication. Well it sounds like Chris is willing to die on this hill and the Chiefs aren't going to budge from their offer.

mr. tegu

08-24-2023 07:53 AM

The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition

No way he’s worth $30 per year. I don’t think Donald is either.

Marcellus

08-24-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17070816)

I have to admit, his Frank Clark obsession and the comments about Clark do make you wonder if he is so butthurt they cut him he decided to be a dick about this contract.

Which again, is epically stupid.

duncan_idaho

08-24-2023 07:56 AM

Or, perhaps he saw the team would be clinical about a contract that has big non-guaranteed years at the end that aren’t guaranteed and is looking for more guarantees late in the contract. Or a shorter term.

Or something that makes sense and is protective from his end and doesn’t protect KC’s flexibility well enough.

Marcellus

08-24-2023 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17070825)

No way he’s worth $30 per year. I don’t think Donald is either.

Well Donald is the highest paid defensive player in football and the highest paid non QB on one of the worst defenses in football so he obviously isn't worth the $30MM to LA. And this contract was given to him AFTER they won the SB, sound familiar?

I mean guys we are talking about making Jones a top 2 or 3 paid player at any position outside of the top QB's. It AINT happening and it shouldn't.

tredadda

08-24-2023 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17070808)

That season was already shot by then.

Pun intended?

Marcellus

08-24-2023 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17070832)

Pun intended?

Fully intended.