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Lzen 02-19-2019 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14114265)
35 passing TDs is mediocre? ROFL
He meant that it is for Mahomes. :D

seaofred 02-19-2019 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14114315)
I'd imagine they'll go to them and ask about a restructure or lowering their money or they'll cut them.

Easier to do with Houston for sure.
Can they restructure them now, or do they have to wait for the new league year? If they have to wait, that might be part of the hold up on what is going on with those two.

Buckweath 02-19-2019 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14114320)
Dee Ford is going to end up getting over $17M, he's a defensive end now.

As for the cap space, you factor in PPE and bonuses and another $3M disappears. $4-5M for rookies. Sign Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones and the rest of it is gone.

They're not signing any marquis free agents. They don't have any money to do so.
You will be pleasantly surprised my friend. You just need to be a bit patient.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 14114326)
Can they restructure them now, or do they have to wait for the new league year? If they have to wait, that might be part of the hold up on what is going on with those two.
They're under contract, they can be done at any time I would imagine.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14114330)
You will be pleasantly surprised my friend. You just need to be a bit patient.
Unless being patient results in them cutting Eric Berry AND Justin Houston, I don't see what waiting is going to do. They don't have any money.

Halfcan 02-19-2019 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14114252)
uhhhh....35 TD's is nowhere near mediocre.

A decent defense could mean fewer TD passes and more running the ball, protecting big leads in the second half.

At any rate, it's not really realistic to expect Pat to put of 50 every year, I mean he's only the 3rd guy ever to do it period in the first place.
If Mahomes drops from 50 to 35 TD's that will look like a mediocre year.

Plus you are assuming the defense is going to be so good we can hold teams off for an entire half or quarter- which has been a disaster for Andy when he has gone conservative.

And just because you have a good defense that does not mean you can start running the ball at will on teams and protecting leads. Once again, we have not been able to do this for years now.

I think predicting a 30% drop off in TD's by Mahomes is unrealistic.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14114340)
If Mahomes drops from 50 to 35 TD's that will look like a mediocre year.

Plus you are assuming the defense is going to be so good we can hold teams off for an entire half or quarter- which has been a disaster for Andy when he has gone conservative.

And just because you have a good defense that does not mean you can start running the ball at will on teams and protecting leads. Once again, we have not been able to do this for years now.

I think predicting a 30% drop off in TD's by Mahomes is unrealistic.
35 TDs would have been 2nd in the league this year after Andrew Luck with 36. If you think Mahomes is going to throw 45-50 TDs every year, I got news for you.

Halfcan 02-19-2019 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 14114321)
He meant that it is for Mahomes. :D
Exactly, the media would be all over it. Why is Mahomes having such a bad year?

I am sure Mahomes would think it is mediocre since he has set his own level of success and only wants to get better.

RunKC 02-19-2019 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14114340)
And just because you have a good defense that does not mean you can start running the ball at will on teams and protecting leads.
You might want to research Andy Reid.

The few games we did play decent defense Andy was doing exactly that with Mahkmws as his QB.

O.city 02-19-2019 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14114320)
Dee Ford is going to end up getting over $17M, he's a defensive end now.

As for the cap space, you factor in PPE and bonuses and another $3M disappears. $4-5M for rookies. Sign Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones and the rest of it is gone.

They're not signing any marquis free agents. They don't have any money to do so.
They're not going to sign both Hill and Jones this offseason I doubt.

One maybe, not likely both.

They can make the money work if they want for whoever. It may end up biting them in the future, but if they do it and win a SB next year, I don't care.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2019 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14114312)
Or get rid of Ford and we have 15.8 million more
If it's all about cap and nothing more, then shit-can all three of 'em.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14114363)
If it's all about cap and nothing more, then shit-can all three of 'em.
That's what they should do. They won't though.

O.city 02-19-2019 01:21 PM
I don't know if they can with Berry. It's been discussed ad nauseum and im still not sure.

Houston is pretty much gone if they're gonna tag Ford.

I'm not opposed to trading Ford but it would have to be a nice haul.

Halfcan 02-19-2019 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 14114305)
The franchise record was 30, which stood forever. CP never fails to entertain.
A record that Mahomes destroyed.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2019 01:27 PM
When we began this dialogue at the end of the season, it was agreed by all that tagging and trading Ford, restructuring Houston, and putting the June 1st banhammer on Berry was the way to fly.

It appears we have done one of those things. What has changed that we could not finish the scenario?


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