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But I still remember Justin Houston EMBARRASSING Lane Johnson in his third career game to the tune of three sacks. Now I don’t need nor expect Kingsley to become Lane Johnson, but it’d be cool as **** if he could be a top-15 LT. Orlando Brown level but in a different skill set. Speaking of Brown, still can’t believe you tried to credit that horseshit field surface nonsense Eagles fans tried to spew since LVII. All Mahomes and co. did that night was abuse their secondary/LBs getting the ball out fast (corn dog was embarrassing), with a nice run game mixed in. Shoulda never been a surprise that the QB who broke the NFL yardage record that year gave them fits. |
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so no, not agreeing at all. |
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Yea, teams trade away quality starting LTs every year! |
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I mean, dude found 2 in like 30 years, so yeah, let's plan on THAT. |
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Compare that same success rate with LT’s acquired via UFA and the draft. |
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Kingsley? Wanya? Enough said. |
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Who is this mythical trade target? What team is willing to trade a good Left tackle? NAME NAMES or shut up. |
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Congratulations. You really owned me on that one. |
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The Falcons are in serious salary cap trouble. Penix is a left handed QB that doesn’t require the same investment in a LT, when they had right handed QB’s. That is a trade opportunity. Just like Willie Roaf. Just like OBJ. |
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Eric Fisher. That’s the list. LMAO |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Both defensive ends and Mahomes slip on this play. <br><br>The All22 shows how much worse the field actually was. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sodgate?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sodgate</a> lol <a href="https://t.co/xtDfHnLlfM">pic.twitter.com/xtDfHnLlfM</a></p>— Fitz (@LaurieFitzptrck) <a href="https://twitter.com/LaurieFitzptrck/status/1625360270645161987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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This idea that you have that since Penix is left handed he doesn't matter is moronic. He still draws every team's RDE/rushbacker. He's a trusted veteran and they'd be stupid to trade him when he isn't all that much cap relief. So no, I bet that will not happen. |
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What was stupid was trying to insinuate only the Chiefs got an advantage or that Soma did it on purpose. By all accounts he actually rage quit the league because they wouldn't listen to him.
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What pick was Fisher again? Or you pay out the ass for one in free agency. You found TWO in thirty years we traded for, which were unusual circumstances and want to strut around like a pigeon on a bingo board thinking your hitting bullseyes. |
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Shitty field or not, I know our defense didn’t have fun trying to cover their receivers or pace Hurts in the open that night either let alone rush the passer. |
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That’s your general trend here. See your laughable takes on “having trust in the development of Skyy Less” during the 2023 offseason when you were opposed to signing Hopkins. How did that turn out? LMAO |
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What was dumb is the inability to self scout and not be able to tell wanye and Kingsley were incompetent until the real deal Practice scrimmage preseason Figure out what we have so we can adjust early |
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Eric Fisher is the only successful example of a LT drafted/signed via UFA during that same time frame. Name another example. Branden Albert? Moved to RT. Kingsley? LMAO Wanya? LMAO Donovan Smith? Lasted one year. DJ Humphries? Unplayable in the postseason… couldn’t beat out a career guard. |
Wait, what? Albert never moved to RT. He was the reason Fisher played RT his rookie season.
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John Alt was drafted.
Let’s just keep going further and further back in time. |
The Dallas Texans selected Jim Tyrer in the third round of the 1961 AFL Draft.
I’m sure that’s relevant. |
2008-2013 was Albert
2014-2020 was Fisher That's 12 seasons of LT play concurrently from a first round draft pick. |
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How did Hopkins turn out? You think it's going to be Matthews? Cool. We'll see. |
Florida man, indeed.
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"Hey we need this one position really bad. Like... right now. Somebody in the league needs to sell us a premium player at that spot because we said so. And no, we're not paying full price, either!" |
Jordan Mailata goes into the NFL International Player Program in 2018 and the Eagles pick him up and coach him for two years. Now imagine he got 2 games of starting snaps in 2019, one year before he was ready to play in 2020.
FloridaMan's equally impatient brother from Philadelphia says, "He's a guard at best. Either way, just give up on him ever playing tackle because he suuuuuucks!" |
If we get a top 15 tackle we’re fine. I don’t even mind stop gaps. To get a book end for 6+ years will cost a fortune. A decent guy for 2 years who’s aging should be that much.
We have too much resources tied up at super star positions and interior o line. I thought the thuney over a left tackle was a horrible idea from the get go. And it’s been known for a long time that a guard is much less important than a tackle. Even a right tackle. My guess was investing in the interior o line was Andy Reid being progressive seeing some kind of trend the nfl had coming. Idk I don’t watch all 22 tape daily so idk but we won a lot of damn games. |
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I think FloridaMan has a point in that you at least dangle an offer out there to the Falcons for Matthews.
Do I think they'll do it? No, I think they'll trade Kyle Pitts, trade or cut Grady Jarrett, cut David Onyemata, extend and restructure Kaleb Gary, and try desperately to trade Cousins. Those are the moves that hurt you less than taking protection away from a young QB. Terron Armstead might also be a trade option because the Dolphins have tight cap issues. They can restructure Tua to get them to +18 million and Chubb can get them to +31.75m so that doesn't mean they would. Armstead doesn't give them a ton more space in a trade, only 4.2 million, but he is a commodity at this point they could stand to lose with Paul, who they drafted in round 2 last year, on board. |
Listening to The Athletic Football show, those guys obviously cover all 32… they’re under the impression that KC should be hoping Kingsley improves enough that he can start next year. Funny how non-fans view these situations.
We all agree that’s best case, I just wonder if there’s any way Veach would remotely go that route. Can he really look at Patrick and go, “hey man, I know you just got clobbered all year with these LTs we gave you and it lead to your worst season, but we need to roll the dice on those guys again to get by. Sound good?” Not only would that feel wrong, it also goes against Veach’s entire history. Think it’s far more likely they go bigger at LT and see where else Kingsley can surface, RG, RT. |
I'd rather do that than stick a brokedick bandaid in front of him just to have to force him into action again without the benefit of all the reps in TC.
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You want to move a tackle to guard? Move Morris.
You look at his fat ass sticking out when he lines up at tackle and think that's a tackle? He's a guard. He's got a guard's body. THAT'S a guard. |
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He was very good against Zach Allen. He’s most likely replacing Trey Smith at RG and that’s okay. He looked way better and way more comfortable there. |
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He’s probably having a surgery to fix that this Spring |
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They didn't move anyone permanently. Kingsley will be taking reps at tackle again in a few months. |
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Permanently? Lol |
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Kingsley could get there but if you told me Wanya was the starting RT, I wouldn’t sweat that. Again, mid RT play is something Mahomes has always been able to work around. |
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If they've seen something throughout the season and decided Suamataia is better suited inside, fine. They get eyes on him week to week and would know better. But that makes LT absolutely dire. Like, we actually probably do need to sell the farm in FA or the draft dire.
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You don't spend a 2nd round pick on that raw of a player with LT upside only to give up and move him to guard after 1 year or there is something wrong with your strategy. |
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thumbs up. |
While I'd be fine with a top 5 LT in a trade or FA. We had last in the league type of play at the LT position. Mahomes doesn't need a top 5 LT.
Go out and get a starting level Vet and let Kingsly develop. |
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I think it will be DJ Humphries coming back with Kingsley backing him up. This is the present and the future.
DJ is as good of a solution as there is available in FA and should be reasonable to sign. Stanley is very good but his injury history and contract is way to risky. Jackson is decent but not a good fit and will also be very expensive. Could say the same about Robinson, decent but expensive. This makes the most sense and allows us to remove LT in the draft. Kingsley is LTOTF and he will be a beast! |
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If he gets relegated to RG bc he failed at LT but is a moderately average RG for cheap, that would be a successful draft pick relative to where he was picked. Now Felix on the other hand… |
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Well, I along with many having been screaming for this offense to evolve this offseason since last Sunday…
With Kelce coming back for a reduced role at best, how about giving Kingsley adequate help throughout games, with TE chips and RBs, and running your offense through Rice/Worthy/Hollywood where Mahomes is receiving proper time to survey the field. Kill multiple birds with one stone. The book is out on how to give this offense problems as Andy currently calls it. You just run through the T’s ****ing chests. |
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Remember when the Bears drafted Teven Jenkins early in Round 2, tried to put him at LT, he failed, and they moved him inside to OG? How about Dillon Radunz drafted towards the end of the 2nd, put in at LT for the Titans and moved to OG the next season? Sam Cosmi was drafted mid-2nd to be a LT, they moved him to RT in camp then ended up moving him to RG a year or two later. Robert Hunt went from RT to RG the following year. That's not considering some 1st rounders. Mekhi Becton, LT to RT to RG. Tyler Smith LT to LG, etc. So, it can be a thing is all I'm pointing out here. It's the best-case scenario that Suamatatai stays at LT and you hedge that with a vet like re-signing Humphries. I HOPE for that. It just may not be reality. I honestly hoped to at least see him get reps at RT before getting reps at LG but that's not what they did. It doesn't bode well. |
I don’t think people understand how good of a draft this is for weapons this year.
TreVeyon Henderson’s don’t fall in the draft guys. A guy with that kind of vision, receiving ability and reportedly runs a 4.39? That’s Jahmyr Gibbs territory. Imagine that on this football team? Someone is gonna fall to us. Tetairoa McMillan, Tyler Warren, Ashton Jeanty, Coleston Loveland, Emeka Egbuka and Luther Burden will likely all go before us. That’s 6 guys. Someone is falling. And it’s probably Henderson. I am also loving what I am seeing from Miami TE Elijah Arroyo as well. He looks like a great fit for us to. I just don’t see how you pass on these guys for a project LT like Josh Conerly who IMO does not look to be any better for us than Kingsley. |
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Moving him to guard before Year 2 is nothing but a panic move, IMO. |
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It’s on Andy to fix this. We aren’t getting an elite left tackle in 2025. We’ll be lucky as all hell to get Eric Fisher level production. So tweak your offense to help the LT a lot. Ensure you have a legit rushing threat. We aren’t asking you to run your offense through Toney, MVS, and Justin Watson. The WRs are in better shape than they’ve been since 2019. |
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You can whine and throw your hands up all you want but the options at tackle are less than ideal in the draft and FA. The worst thing you can do is reach for need on another unknown project tackle and pass on a known premier talent. |
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Why do people assume (and I'm not saying YOU are specifically but it's pertinent here), that because a class is "bad" at a position, the players all suck at that position? Because that ALWAYS happens. Just because the OT class is weak, doesn't mean they all suck. LT Simmons, LT Campbell (if he sticks due to arm length), RT Membou, LT Conerly, and LT Banks are all pretty well CONSENSUS 1st round picks. None of them are bad and most all are widely considered to be top-25 players. The depth of the class is weak, absolutely. There are a few developmental LTs and a few developmental RTs but it's not like last year where it was stronger into the 3rd round. We should not assume a prospect in this class is somehow less of a prospect than Suamataia because that is simply not true. Conerly is about the same prospect this year as Fautanu was coming out last year from build, to athleticism, to the way they play the game. Fautanu was drafted at #20. |
I don’t want to hear FA tackles are too expensive. That literally holds no weight. If veach thinks they’re a fit he will move heaven and earth to acquire a tackle in FA. It doesn’t matter the price it has to be done then we can draft playmakers which there are a plethora of in this draft and it’s freed up because tackle is taken care of.
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First it doesn't really matter if Suamatia was drafted as a LT and ends up being a good guard because it is still a cheap contract that helps out the cap. Second I think when it is all said and done Suamatia will be a guard this year or next and Morris will be right tackle after Taylor is done. They will try to sign one of the FA LT if that doesn't work they will resign Humphries (maybe 2-3 yrs) and draft a tackle. Suamatia looked good at guard and Morris looked good at RT.
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Look no further than how many chances Skyy Moore got as a second rounder, you want and you NEED someone taken that high to pan out |
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To pass on legit tackles in FA only hoping to see if a tackle falls or a possible trade up? Just don’t see that happening. |
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Fautanu was Daniel Jeremiah’s 11th ranked player and Dane Brugler’s 9th in their final big boards. Conerly is currently 38th on Daniel Jeremiah’s board and 31st on Dane Brugler’s. It’s early but I don’t see how Conerly is close to Fautanu as a prospect |
Look, DJ is the best fit and Talent for us via FA. This will happen IMO. This will free up the draft for us to take some weapons, RB TE maybe even WR.
Now if by some chance one of the LTs they like falls to us, you pick him. After the top few choices, it would just be like drafting Kingsley again. I believe Kingsley will be our LT in the not so far off future. I also believe DJ can hold it down, much better than anyone from last years line. Of course Veach may pull off something none of us thought possible but outside of that, DJ and Kingsley will be fine. Above average at least. With no real options in FA and our draft position, this makes the most sense. Personally, I would love to see J Wills brought in as well. Very low risk but the reward could be huge! |
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/527...kings-top-100/ He moves around on guys as he hears stuff from NFL guys. We'll have to see what happens over the next couple of months until he releases The Beast. |
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Couldn't even make it one ****ing game before going back out with injury. Why the **** would you want to bring him back?
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