Nobody pissed and moaned about anything.

You made a silly claim that was easily disproven.

If you want to have an honest discussion, pretending that guys like Franklin and Worthy don't have elite speed and HR ability isn't the way to do it.

Some people are very thin skinned.

That's you man, sorry but you have a hard time talking to people who deviate from your opinions without getting really upset.

How am I "having a hard time" talking to you?

You got so worked up on my MILD Franklin criticism that you started searching my posts from years ago to change the subject.


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In the end, time to move on. You like him at 32 and I would take him later.

"To change the subject"

You're such a disingenuous prick. You brought up Dyami Brown, therefor changing the subject, then I did that in response.

There was no need to change the subject. Again, you made a silly claim, and it was quickly disproven.

If you insist, you're entitled to have your opinion and I won't dog you. Franklin's crispness in and out of breaks, foot speed and variation off the line, and his overall route running are among the better in this class IMO, and just about everyone that has offered an opinion on it so you'll definitely get rebuttal

I am not being facetious here when I ask.. how is he in the +3.1 YPRR category if his routes and catching ability are bad?

I totally respect your opinion. You put a lot of work in on these guys and I generally agree with you on guys.

Just not on Franklin.

I think his route running is going to be below average in the NFL and that it will keep him from separating against good corners and mostly used as a decoy.

Like Jamo.

I don't think what I see him doing in college translates that well to the next level.

He is fast and good enough that he will have an NFL role.

I see him a Vertical #2 that is used to clear space for better WR's.

To me that's not so hard to find so I would not want to spend a #1 on that.

Well, rolling on the floor laughing seems kind of like you're worked up about this shit, not Staylor.

But since we're on the topic at hand, how about you give us YOUR pick at WR? I'd like to know BEFORE the draft, so we can gauge if you're as bad as you are at judging QB's.

since Zach Wilson is elite, and all.

First off grandpa, before you make up more bullshit let me refresh your memory.

I said Zach Wilson did not get a fair chance in NY when he had Lafleur's reeruned brother. You insisted the OC was fine but that OC the got FIRED a few weeks after you declared he was good.

Take the L on that one as no one has hired him since.


Wilson is a nice buy low project. That's what I said and nothing can be proved on that point until he gets out of NY.

Your great QB that you loved sucks. You fell in love with Mike White so please STFU.

:evil:

And your Mike Glennon wannabe didn't take the GREAT JETS to the playoffs.

Take another L gramps.

Now moving on to WR's, I don't have my board ready yet. Need to do more work so 5 years from now when I criticize someone's new JAGami Brown my board from 2024 is on point.

You asked what I like?

I am starting to zero in on Adonai Mitchell and Keon Coleman for our 1st round pick.

Adonai is my guy as of now.

Do you always just lie when you're proven wrong?

I never said shit about the Jets OC. I don't care. The ONLY thing I ever said was that Mike White was better than Zach Wilson. I said Wilson is a ****ing dumpster fire, he's a terrible entitled shit of a person and his teammates hate him. That's all common knowledge now. I never said anything about White being great, I said he was better than Zach the human dumpster fire. that's all bullshit that you keep slinging at the wall, but it ain't sticking. Not true, never said it, but keep on being dishonest. Everyone here knows what you are.

For the record, I like Mitchell too. I don't like Coleman.

I'm not a grandpa, but I am a step-dad to two great kids. Oh, and I just played a rockshow last night to a nice, full crowd at a great live music venue. Good times.

Enjoy your video games, junior! I'm sure you're great at Madden!

You’re the one that has lied and misrepresented my position while not acknowledging how stupid your take was that Mike White was going to take the Jets to the playoffs.

He failed. Take the L.

As for video games haven’t played them in over a decade. But you sound triggered by the evil “ video games”. Maybe if you weren’t a miserable old dude you wouldn’t be so worked up what other people do to entertain themselves.

I don’t play but if people enjoy a game good for them.

Live and let live.

I don't think you trade 3 starters for 1 unless you know you're getting a HOF-caliber player at a position that routinely has plenty of good players come out every year. That's why I support doing it for a guy like Justin Jefferson but not so much for a rookie. We've seen plenty of high picks just not be good.

The reason that there are "pillar' positions is that they are not only critical to success but they are also very difficult to get. A good QB, a good LT, a good pass rusher, those guys aren't the easiest things to find. I'd argue it's most difficult to get the QB and LT. Those are the guys that, if I felt pretty confident in them, I'd shoot for the moon. Otherwise I'm happy making modest moves for other positions.

Rank these WRs by likeliness to be on the roster next season:

Kadarius Toney
MVS
Justin Ross

Could Franklin or Coleman jump Thomas Jr in the draft?

What do you guys think about Thomas Jr in KC?

Possible, but I expect BTJ to be the 4th WR off the board.

Justyn Ross
Kadarius Toney
MVS

Maybe MVS restructures? He made some plays in the postseason.

I'm shocked, actually, that you don't play video games with most of your spare time, based on your ideas of what Veach should or shouldn't do, and what's important.

I think what's important is winning Super Bowls, and my apparently outdated thinking lined up pretty exactly with what Veach did and...won two straight Super Bowls. So if that's outdated thinking, cool by me.

All you do is project, bub. Like you're on a middle school playground. You might as well just type, "I know you are but what am I?"

I don't remember predicting that Mike White was going to take the Jets to the play-offs. I probably said something like-they have a better chance with White than Wilson. And that's true. Wilson's a dumpster fire. You keep equating it as me saying White is something great, but being better than a dumpster fire doesn't mean he's any great prize.

Anyway, let's not ruin the draft post.

You like Mitchell.

Fair enough.

I don't know if Coleman's game is going to translate in the NFL. Some of those type of receiver DO, but an awful lot don't. We'll see.

Rank these WRs:

Troy Franklin
Brian Thomas Jr.
Keon Coleman
Xavier Worthy
Xavier Legette
Adonai Mitchell

(That's the order I'd rank them)

Legette last for me, dawg.

I just can't get with zero production for four years. I mean what IS that? I mean NONE.

I think I like Mitchell a touch more than Worthy, but I could see Worthy working in Andy's offense just fine.

Coleman I'm not sure about. I'm not sure he's going to translate well. Is he Mike Evans? Or just another plodder? I dunno. Guess I'll make my mind up when he runs at the combine. Or not.

Franklin, Thomas, Mitchell, Worthy,
Coleman then Legette.

But I think Devontez Walker might be the best fit of all of them. Honestly, I'm not too far in, though. I've been busy and haven't been looking into guys as much this year.

Man I could not agree with you more! Franklin needs to be our #1 pick. Fill the rest of the roster after said selection!

I am starting to zero in on Adonai Mitchell and Keon Coleman for our 1st round pick.

Adonai is my guy as of now. Why in the HELL is Keon Coleman on your list? ROFL Adonai Mitchell will not be in our range to acquire. You are reaching!

Troy Franklin for the win unless, we move Sneed and move further up the draft ladder for Nabbers or Thomas or Bowers. We will see. Lot of time left until draft with combine and free agency coming up. Gonna have to see how this plays out at this point in time. :thumb:

This is tough but ill take a crack at it.

1. Troy franklin - huge team fit, developed route tree, good improvisation. Can separate or make contested catches when needed. A true X with speed and yac ability.

2. Xavier worthy - another huge team fit but for different reasons. more dynamic version of hardman that can track a deep ball. May be the best kick/punt returner in the draft as well. I see alot of zay flowers in him without the domestic violence issue.

3. Keon coleman - good size, physical and dynamic after the catch. Can make spectacular catches and is a plus punt returner too. Isnt afraid to make plays over the middle of the field. I think he is a great fit for what the chiefs have been doing the last couple of years, but Not sure if we need a guy like him, as he seems to do alot of the same things rashee rice does well.

4. Brian Thomas - good size, but doesn’t seem to be as physical as his size indicates he would be. Excellent at adjusting to the ball and ripping off big gains. Alot of similarities to Legette, including one year of good production. The only reason i rank him above Legette is due to him being a couple years younger. Aside from that i think they would be 4a and 4b.

5. Xavier Legette - big strong physical target that will separate often but also win most 5050 balls. Seems to have a knack for finding soft spots in zone after plays break down, and seems like he almost cant be bullied at the LOS. I would have him and brian thomas ranked 3rd and 4th here if i didnt take team fit into account. He isnt quite as well rounded as franklin or coleman.

6. Adonai Mitchell - I could be way off here, but i feel like almost all of his production happened on contested catches and blown coverage. I just don’t feel great about how his skillset translates to the nfl. Seems sluggish with the ball in his hand and seems to lack confidence in and out of breaks.


Adonai Mitchell may be the only one on this list i would be mad about in the first round. (I know i know “xAvIeR lEgEtTe iSnT a FiRsT rOuNd ReCeIvEr”)


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I dont know if his ego will allow him to take the money he is worth.

If he takes 3.5m or something then fine, but he wont, and he should be cut if he asks for more than that.

I dont think we cut him before free agency though. Not until we add another receiver in FA.


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Your instincts are correct here.

Adonai has too much testosterone and would make the next few years for KC too easy and not allow Mahomes to be a heady game manager.

Would score too many points.

:thumb:

Still early but seems like

Harrison/Nabers/Odunze gone fast and then I expect Thomas to go.


After that it gets interesting.

Just a reminder that the Eagles took Reagor with Justin Fricking Jefferson still on the board.

Whoops.

LMAO

I get it, you like adonai. Thats fine.

Im not a fan, and thats fine too.

Im starting to think that the draft is so wr heavy that the chiefs are going to take a fatso in the first round anyway. Lmao


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Those mistakes happen every year, and we have victimized ourselves like that.

Hardman over dk
Clyde over higgins
Trading back and taking skyy instead of just staying and taking pickens. Icing on the cake is tre mcbride went the very next pick.


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I didn't have Jefferson 1. But I loved J Jeff before that draft.

Was too low on Higgins but I also loved Pittman.

Had

Jeudy
Lamb
Jefferson

then Ruggs as the elite vertical 2.

hated Reagor, did not think he was 1st round worthy.

Really good in-depth analysis of this years WR class with Brett Kollman. WR discussion starts at the 8:29 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6mah_XxFDQ

Currently, I like...

Thomas Jr
Franklin
Coleman
Legette
Worthy
Mitchell

I think if the WR big board could get shaken up at the combine or in the pre draft process and Thomas Jr could end up being the guy that falls to us. Wouldn't hate that one bit, he's the best tall vertical deep in the draft.

Franklin's fit for Andy and the Chiefs is easy to see.

Coleman has that "It" factor and "alpha" mentality. I think he might flash some plays early, return for us, but take a couple years to really develop though.

Legette has the physical attributes and might be a plus that he's a 5th year, we need someone mature and ready to contribute now. I might like him more than Coleman for this reason. No chance Andy doesn't figure out a way to get this guy some production. No chance.

Worthy would be a better Hardman for us, hopefully.

Mitchell, I just can't see it yet. He's big and slow to me on tape, I reserve the right to change my mind after the combine.

Bottom two are both TX WRs though, there's a league wide appreciation for TX football, and we all know Mahomes will get a closer look at these guys than the rest.

I think I like Anthony Gould as a late round/UDFA option.

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The more I watch Worthy, the more I'm petrified that the kid is just another Hardman. I know he has a more proven resume but even a texas fan I saw talking about him said "he's not a route runner".

Right now Franklin, Mitchell and Coleman are the guys I most favour. And I'm waiting to see what Leggett, Polk and Baker do at the combine. If Ladd runs a fast time then maybe I could see it.

I just don't think a guy that needed 5 years to figure out college football is a good prospect for an Andy Reid offense.

McConkey is gonna end up being our pick isn't he.

Somebody needs to create a combine thread.

I'm kind of hoping he runs something stupid and gets drafted before 32.

Like, if he runs low 4.3s at the combine.

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No chance.

At 64? I mean...maybe.

No, we're not taking the guy at 32. And I doubt we take him at 64. This is just your standard draft season stuff where suddenly there are 60-70 different guys being mocked into the 1st round by various sources.

And as is usually the case, those guys that are 'screaming up the draft boards' will go in the 3rd like everyone expected them to in mid-January.

Maybe 1 in 5 dudes actually move a great deal. Someone like Robinson may have moved himself up (we'll see - I still think he goes in the mid/late 2nd) but they aren't ALL moving up on the strength of senior bowl practices and underwear olympics.

Scouting departments are far more concerned with 2-3 years of college tape than they are any of this stuff. And none of that has changed. What may actually move guys are medicals and interviews and none of that has actually happened yet. But still we're hearing that dudes are moving all over the place.

They aren't. Daniel Jeremiah just has a column to write.

Worthy is the Parris Campbell to Adonai Mitchell who is the Terry McLaurin on Texas.

The tiny slot gets drooled over and the actual good WR gets glossed over.

What wr do you like at 64?

Mcmillan. Romeo Wilson would be my fallback.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No team is adjusting their draft board based on Marvin Harrison Jr. not running a 40 (they have all the in-game GPS numbers anyways).<br><br>With that said, Malik Nabers is already viewed as WR1 by some teams. Both are top-3 prospects in this draft, IMO. <a href="https://t.co/xk1kZtpCeO">https://t.co/xk1kZtpCeO</a></p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1762130635970187730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nabers.

MVS was one of those had a semi good senior year and got drafted in the 5th round. He also was in the 55th percentile for bench press, so he's pretty weak.

<3% of football fans know how to evaluate a players route running ability, so pretty much anyone that acts like they know how good a route runner someone is has heard it from someone else and more than likely the person they heard it from doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...orthy-WR-Texas

"has the route-running skills of a savvy vet."

https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/202...ick%20returner.

"Good route runner with the talent to refine route running even more."

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...as-wr.amp.html

"Good route-running tools. Quick feet and loose hips to transition in and out of breaks well."

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/...nfl-draft-2024

"Plus-level route-runner"

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/x...scouting-2024/

*High-energy athlete with wicked foot speed and lateral twitch out of his stance.

Can keep speed while using curvilinear acceleration and bend to sear through breaks.

Stop-and-start, speed, and flexibility amount to devastating upside as a separator.

Manipulative route runner who actively weaponizes speed to bait DBs into fading upfield.

Can masterfully throttle up into stems and use tempo modulations to tug DBs off kilter.

Versatile WR with a vast route tree, elite sinking capacity, and freedom on breaks."

Hmm seems like your friend doesn't know what he's talking about or you just made up this whole story, so you can use it as a reason not to draft the kid.

I haven't seen anything that questions his route running. It's actually the opposite and is listed as a strength in pretty much every write up I see.

Oh damn looks like we've got a Worthy groupie on the forum ROFL ..listen whoever Veach, Andy and Pat like then that will be that. The dude I saw talk about Worthy's route running is from a video on youtube called "Why Xavier Worthy is the riskest player In the nfl draft". Now on second watch the guy is a sooner fan not a texas fan. But he does seem to have watched them a bunch. And when I watch Worthy's tape most of the clips are basic routes and punt returns. If you think he's Randy Moss #2 then knock yourself out buddy we'll see if the Chiefs agree :thumb:

Dipshit thinks Worthy is amazing because some guy in his basement said so on his blog.


;)

Franklin still smaller and weaker than MVS.

Not really a fan boy. I don't know enough about recruiting or all the little intricate details that you need to look for to tell if a guy is going to be good or not. However I do know that I like guys with height, speed, and consistent production in college. I really don't have much interest in a player that was shit up until his SR year and then has a good final year.

Also I had no idea what the write ups said about Worthy's route running. However, I wasn't surprised when everything I read said the exact opposite of what you said, because you're usually pretty full of shit.

NFL Combine Participants at WR:

Javon Baker, UCF
Jermaine Burton, Alabama
Jalen Coker, Holy Cross
Keon Coleman, Florida State
Malachi Corley, Western Kentucky
Jacob Cowing, Arizona
Ryan Flournoy, Southeast Missouri State
Troy Franklin, Oregon
Anthony Gould, Oregon State
Lideatrick Griffin, Mississippi State
Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
Jha'Quan Jackson, Tulane
Cornelius Johnson, Michigan
Xavier Legette, South Carolina
Luke McCaffrey, Rice
Ladd McConkey, Georgia
Jalen McMillan, Washington
Bub Means, Pittsburgh
Adonai Mitchell, Texas
Malik Nabers, LSU
Rome Odunze, Washington
Ricky Pearsall, Florida
Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington
Brenden Rice, USC
Tayvion Robinson, Kentucky
Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint, Georgia
Ainias Smith, Texas A&M
Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
Jamari Thrash, Louisville
Devaughn Vele, Utah
Devontez Walker, North Carolina
Malik Washington, Virginia
Tahj Washington, USC
Xavier Weaver, Colorado
Jordan Whittington, Texas
Isaiah Williams, Illinois
Johnny Wilson, Florida State
Roman Wilson, Michigan
Xavier Worthy, Texas

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Yep, I should totally think he sucks, because the contrarian dipshit on here doesn't like him for reasons.

Let's act like I only posted some random blogger when it's actually been several. Here's another one for ya.

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...024xworthy.php

"Worthy is a threat to beat coverage deep, using both his speed on verticals and his quickness out of the break as a dangerous route runner to get open."

I merely echoed what a guy who has watched Worthy said. Is his opinion not as valid as the scouting reports you referenced? Or do you just want to be a petulant child who can't handle differing opinions? :)

Walter Football is for reeruns.

So it makes sense that you like that.


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I'm a big Longhorns fan and there's things I didn't like about Worthy's game, but he is a very good route runner. He also played most of his junior year with a broken hand. He had one of the lowest drop rates in the Big XII this season with his hand healed and he also played with a toughness this season you wouldn't expect for a player his size. He's also an elite return man...so I don't think it'd be a horrible pick if we took him.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/new...pring-football

Would you guys like Ricky Pearsall in the 2nd round?

I’m really liking this guy.

Worthy's contested catch rate is 25%. Does a small breeze knock him over?

I've been driving the bandwagon. Hop on!

I’m definitely on board, good call.

Does Veach draft Pearsall being close to 24 though?

He drafted Rice who was 23 in the 2nd last year :shrug:

Could keep them from drafting him, but I don't think it should at 64.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Xavier Worthy - WR, UT<br><br>- Early career production<br>- Dynamic threat downfield &amp; after the catch<br>- Elite speed &amp; start-stop ability<br>- Fluid mover w/ good route running chops<br>- Ball tracking is A+<br><br>Not entirely sure why the vibe isn&#39;t higher when talking about him in the WR class. <a href="https://t.co/dv3JjdyZgh">pic.twitter.com/dv3JjdyZgh</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1762164884945482181?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah i love Thomas Jr's game. Im def a Thomas Jr. guy.

MVS
Ross
Toney.

Chiefs will find a way to keep MVS and Toney's next camp injury will be his last.

I really like Corley's game. Physical, knows how to get open, great at breaking tackles. Can be used in a variety of ways.

Thomas to me is an Elite, take the top off Vertical #2.


If Mahomes and Thomas got in sync teams would be terrified of getting beat deep.

Not entirely sure why the vibe isn't higher-

How much higher should the vibe be Matt Lane?!


LMAO

Seems like Worthy getting more than enough hype seeing he isn't even the best WR in this draft on his own team.

I think you might be right

There's a chance he's within range I think.

FYI, Mahomes follows Worthy on IG :hmmm:

Rumor mill heating up!

He's the only WR in this draft that has truly elite, game-breaking speed in the 4.2s. A few guys in the mid-4.3s maybe, like Franklin, Legette, Gould, and Wilson. I think some others have a shot to barely break 4.4 but not as confident in them.

I think if Pat wants his next guy that can run WASP, this is his guy haha. I'm having a hard time jumping on the bandwagon after my epic fail with Hyatt last year but I can say I would like it alot if he were the pick.

I just happened to come across Worthy's IG and it shows you when people you follow also follow that person.

For those that are unaware, Mahomes doesn't follow a lot of people. Could mean nothing, but it could also mean they already have a date set for Camp Mahomes :shrug:

You could sign Hollywood and draft Worthy and just try to outrace teams again.

Heard KCSN mock Worthy to us. What do we think about him? I know nothing.

Might be the fastest player in the draft. Moved around a lot, some people think he's slot only due to size, but played outside more than in. Great ball tracking skills apparently.

Sounds like he runs routes well and is open a lot. Could be a perfect Z WR for us to complement Rice as the short to intermediate beater.