Lord please just stop with this dumb ass narrative.

Both SBs we won would have not happened without Jones in the playoffs. Hell he single handedly wrecked SF's last drive in the SB when they were still in it.

We don’t really have any idea how far apart they are. But regardless I think it’s clear they are happy to risk not getting a deal done knowing they will still get him this season at least, well motivated, and for pretty cheap.

Just saying it's unusual outside of QB. Not saying Jones isn't elite. He definitely is.

Which is why the trade him now, free up 21.25 million, and recoup draft picks now has entered the room. Even if it is Plan C.

Plan A - Extention. Looking bleak.
Plan B - Play out season and Tag and Trade. Maybe not ideal
Plan C - Just laid it out.
Plan D - Play out season and let him walk.

Plan C is looking better all the time.

If you trade him now....who are you bringing in to replace him?

Plan D is completely unacceptable.

Chris Jones... I love you. Please don't go.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KC... I love you</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1689008479271522304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Suh and Dunlap for this year.

This is all Les Snead’s fault.

They were too scared to call Donald’s bluff. And ended up giving him an anomaly of a contract. And yes I admit I would probably have done the same for fear of losing the greatest defensive player ever

O.city was right. People have lost their minds after we were able to replace Hill with a bunch of randoms. Now people think that applies to every position every scenario.

Every page of this thread is like Groundhog Day

It is Plan C for me. But we are there. It's entered the picture, like it or not.

It is. But it's also in the realm of things. What if he says he will play provided the Chiefs don't tag him next year? We have already tagged him once back in 2020.

Why the hell do people keep bringing up Suh? Dude is an old used up former "good" DT. He fell off years ago and wouldn't make it through as whole year as a starter. And we need a starter.

He can work in a rotation for one year. Then address the postion head on in the next offseason with 33 million and extra draft picks. The 33 million we won't have because of the tag cost.

Of all the options trading him now is without a doubt the worst. We lose his production and any trade value he brings also unavailable this season. To make it worst we flush the cap space down the toilet on players nobody wants.

I don't know why people keep bringing this up. It's just not realistic, every time it's happened the trading team has gotten anal'd (Grudens Raiders and Khalil Mack).

They need the guy this year to compete for a championship and there's no one to replace him with. No, Suh isn't replacing him. The time to have done this was before the draft if that's the route you go. You don't even really know what you're trading the guy for pick wise if you do it now before the season starts.

There's no god damn point in talking about it. They'll let him play out the string and let him walk if it comes to that.

It's wild

If we're at a complete impasse then I'd happily settle for what the Raiders got for Mack.

Guys......We're in a championship window. We aren't in "accumulate draft picks" mode.

Sorry, but just no.

Our championship window is at least the next 10 years.

:shrug:

Our window is open for multiple years if Mahomes stays healthy. I don't envy Veech right now.

Mahomes can put 35 to 40 on the board pretty much anytime he wants. He's proven that. It's not like we have to have a defense that holds teams to 14 to 17 to win. Does it help? Absolutely! But it's not a deal breaker.

Weird that our 2 SB wins were the years the defense played the best. I dunno.

And the window just isn't open forever. There will be other windows open during it, but even the beloved Patriots went thru down times. It's just the way it goes.

Not until I mention him playing for the Bears next year. We'll take their 1 and a few extra picks. Chris Jones is NOT irreplaceable. In fact , with this kind of attitude after Mahomes left money on the table he's going to be a locker room CANCER.


There we go , he's now a locker room cancer. LOL!

not true but close. As long as we have Mahomes/Reid/Kelsey we will always have a chance.

We have a 2 year window before Kelsey either retires to go to media or his skills start to deteriorate. That still doesn’t mean we should make Jones the highest paid DT for the next 4/5 years.

From 2003 to 2019, they missed the playoffs 1 time. Matt Cassels 11-5 year. That pretty much an open window for 17 years. 11-5 just happened to not get them in that year.

And there were a few people before the draft this year that had the foresight to see this situation coming and suggested a trade before the draft. You guys didn't like that either.

I've listed the options in order A thru D. Unfortunately, they are all in play on this 10th day of August. None of them are that great.

With that, I'm tapping out for the day on this topic.

Can somebody look at history and provide us with a win/loss when CJ was out please.

Who the hell is Kelsey?

Played Dr. Fraiser Crane back in the day.

Welll duh!

Yes, we should have drafted a 5th round DT as insurance for a DPOY candidate. Maybe Tank or Turk have a son?

Why? Almost all DTs fall off a cliff after age 30. We'll have gotten 80-90% of Jones good years w/o committing to 2-3 bad years (see Houston and Berry).

Since mahomes took over? 2-0. he simply hasn't missed a lot of games

With Hill and Kelce and defenses playing single high, sure.

If KC's new LT is solid in pass pro. If Toney stays healthy and/or the WR hype at training camp holds, maybe...

Go on…

Because Chris Jones is still one of the best players in the NFL, and THE best at his position. If he walks and we get nothing but a compensatory pick, that is a MAJOR disappointment. Tag and trade at the very least.

And he doesn't get to say "I'll play in 2023 if you promise not to tag." **** that. One year in which he is making like $25M to play or whatever he doesn't get to dictate that.

Jones is headed to KC!! He has been training in Miami during this training camp

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Headed to KC, Chris Jones? �� <a href="https://t.co/c4pERLx3s0">pic.twitter.com/c4pERLx3s0</a></p>&mdash; Lexi (@lexiosborne) <a href="https://twitter.com/lexiosborne/status/1689732303776354304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Or headed to the dolphins for a 2025 1,and 2026 2, 3,4

SOMEONE GET TO KCI PRONTO

I think you're overestimating what a tag and trade can return. The tag is going to be $32.5M or w/e. He'd probably just be ok with playing on that. And no team is going to trade for him w/o working out a long term deal. And the Chiefs probably won't feel comfortable tagging him at that price w/o a deal in place.

Lee's Summit Best Buy confirmation?!?

Let’s go Chris!! Get this deal done 😍😍

The difference is that sack directly impacted the game. It was a close game, Cincy had the ball with a chance to drive into FG range with less than a minute left. They had already converted one third and 16 on that drive. That sack changed everything and forced the Bengals to punt and the rest is history.

Could KC have stopped them on that third down without the sack? Sure. Would Cincinnati have punted if it was fourth and short? Sure. That sack forced their hand and allowed for a good Moore return and a Mahomes scramble/15 yard RTP.

In no way is that sack and his missed one the year before the same as two years ago that missed sack never should have decided the game. It wouldn't have if not for KC's offensive meltdown.

On Arrowhead Pride they said Jones could be fined 1/18th of his salary (over $1M) for missing a preseason game. Although they didn't really go into detail on how that works, or if the fine is at the discretion of the team. So maybe he's headed back to KC so he doesn't miss the preseason game.

At this point my question could have been answered somewhere in this thread, but under the new CBA they have, don't players get paid a full check for preseason games, now?

No one out there is giving us for Jones what the Bears did for Mack.

Cincy isn't going anywhere for a few years. The defense was a major reason KC beat them in the AFCCG and Mahomes has yet to put up 35-40 on them.

I don’t get it tbh, why doesn’t Chris just agree to be the second highest paid DT but Veach add on some incentives for him. That can reach an extra 5 mil a year? Let’s just say 28 mil a year with a chnace at 33 mil. 500k for 5,10,15,20 sack milestones. 1m for all pro. 1 mil for DPOY, and another 1 mil for making the playoffs?

Just saw CJ leave Cargo Largo with a Wilson football!!!!!

Texans playoff game?

It was already leaked that Jones was asking for $30M and the Chiefs obviously weren't biting. So I don't get why "Chiefs refuse to make Jones the highest paid DT" is any kind of news. Donald makes $31M+.

Pretty much everything that's come out about this has been non-news, including that woman with her boob hanging out on the McAfee show.

It's CP at it's finest. I don't grasp where this "tag and trade" scenario is even realistic. What team is going to give up picks for the right to pay a DT pushing 30 (the cut off age for DT decline) at minimum just under Donald money? I keep hearing Chicago, but there is no reason for them to do that.

I'm sorry I missed this great journalism do you have video of the interview with the breast hanging out

It was posted in this thread. I forget her name.

Diana Russini

YES!!!!!!

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I've said throughout this thread that he will report by this Sundays game as the CBA treats the preseason the same as a reg season game and so it's like a $1.3 mil hit. It appears he was at the airport, most likely on his way.

Oh yeah, forgot about that preseason game part. So probably just means he's gonna show up to collect his check. Hopefully he joins the team in full and is practicing and such

Maybe we get Chris and Carlos at the same time
sounds like a Veacher move

CJ on Twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Im under contract for one more year! I&#39;m no fortune teller. Let&#39;s enjoy this year ��</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1689772299187027968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who knows what this means long term but I would say it strongly suggests he won't hold out the whole year.

Good to see. Still hope we can get this done before the season starts.

Well...,

Chris probably wants more in guaranteed income, either money per year, or number of real years, (whether or not his level of play, injury status deserves it) than KC wants to guarantee.

Presumably he wants to be protected/paid against injury, decline.

I mean why wouldn't he?

And why wouldn't KC want a Team friendly deal with incentives and outs?

That would definitely help long term plans for signing others.

Seems like there's no bad feelings at the moment. Good.

Hopefully they'll get this done over the next 8 months.

Honestly can’t fault either side. Just hope they can come to some sort of compromise.

It’s weird being on the same side as King and OxyContin.city.

We won the SB last year after trading Hill, but let’s not forget we didn’t dominate at any point of the season. Lose a couple pieces and things can change.

But he’s coming so who cares (for now)!

WE NEED BOOTS ON THE GROUND AT KCI.. I'M ORDERING A CODE RED. REPEAT.. A CODE RED

Whew!!!!!

Chris I understand you want to be paid and you definitely deserve it, you and Veach need to sit in a room all night if that’s hat it takes to get this deal done. Veach please don’t **** this up, I trust you. But if you **** this up billy will cum for you!!

So where does the salary cap relief come from if he does extend his contract?

lower cap hit first 2 years hopefully

****ing Holly man! Does she post here? Our Twitter tards need her training!

Why would CJ go to KCI or even to a place accessible by the public at KCI? If he is indeed flying to KC, he would either land in a private plane at Muni airport or he would land in bum-**** Egypt at KCI and step into a ride waiting to take him to training camp.

FINE.. BOOTS ON THE GROUND AT ALL AIRPORTS

I thought he wasn’t going to practice till Monday?

We won the Superbowl, but we didn't dominate.

Do you hear yourself?

W is a W. By one point, or by 40 points.

31 other teams would LOVE to have our Lombardi that we won not dominating at any point.

I"M CUMMING!

Huh? Did we roll over teams in the regular season? Did we clearly outclass the Bengals and Eagles?

We could easily be sitting here bemoaning another season where we didn’t win a SB in the Mahomes window. I’m well ****ing aware how lucky we are, but get some perspective if you actually think we steamrolled the league last year and there weren’t the requisite moments of luck necessary to achieve that.

Do you hear what I’m saying?