Woah calm down big fellah. I like Moore as well. Don't get so angry.

Cool. Then stop trying to pass your obsession for him off on me like some annoying outside the circle "friend" that constantly brings up shit no one is talking about and everyone looks at like a pest.

travis has competition

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony! Toni! Toney! Kadarius Toney with the 20-yard pitch-and-pass to put the Florida <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gators?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Gators</a> up 10-6 on Mississippi State. <a href="https://t.co/KUftrRud3a">pic.twitter.com/KUftrRud3a</a></p>&mdash; OnlyGators.com: Florida Gators news (@onlygators) <a href="https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1046188972718923777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Let’s hope he’s not a brokedick like Sammy.


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He already has an injury history. But I’m optimistic that he can get it together in a quality strength and conditioning program.

His YAC when he is running, he actually senses where the daylight will be before there is any. You can't teach that and the only other player I have seen do this is Tyreek:D

The guy has some serious talent. Excited to see him added to the mix. Reminds me a bit of Dante hall’s elusiveness/ability to make guys miss and Hardman’s pure speed/explosiveness.

It's almost like Chiefs shrink is a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about lol

No, I really don't think they are.

The Chiefs have more big plays this year than a year ago at this time WITH Hill. If anything, the non-presence of Hill has encouraged teams to try to defend the Chiefs in ways that allow them to create more big plays.

Toney is a cheap, young, dynamic athlete who the team liked and who can fit in well to Reid's offense. I don't think this is an attempt to replace Hill. It's just striking for a playmaker when the opportunity presented itself.

i was saying this all offseason

it's a foolish defensive move to dedicate more than one guy to any of our wide receivers

this creates opportunities we didn't have last season, and we just won a game on one of those plays on third and 11

we get less out of those plays now, but at least we're getting them instead of forcing tyreek to catch almost everything under 20 yards for a whole game

this is balanced out by juju being an amazing underneath receiver and both our starting WRs being way better at catching contested passes and back shoulder throws

Some people are acting like getting a player from another team after only one full season means that player is a bust.

Holy hell people, he never had a chance with the Giants. His QB is just north of literal trash, and the front office and coaching staff were incompetent, and then they were replaced.

I saw many mock drafts that had him coming to the Chiefs, and I feel pretty confident that Veach and Reid spoke with him pre-draft.

His speed and change of direction from college didn't disappear. If you are not excited about giving this kid a chance in this offense, with this QB and HC, then you are just being ridiculous.



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He kind of looks like Eric Berry in this Tennessee highlights

I'm wondering if the Giants organization played a part in holding KT out for more draft capital. I've been reading some of these Giants forums and some of them think this might be the case as KT deleted his tweet about being healthy. Did the Giants ask him to delete this tweet in exchange for perhaps a better landing spot for KT and better draft capital for themselves? Mike Kafka and most likely Brett Veach would know...

Link to the comment section: https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/10/...hat-comes-next

I'm glad to see the Chiefs take a chance on him. I mean, he was drafted at pick 20 last year. Since the Chiefs are always picking 29-32, you're looking at trading our first and at least a 3rd to get a player rated that high. Getting him for a comp 3 and a 6th that will be near the end of the round is a steal ........if he works out. If he doesn't work out, we still have 10 picks for next year and a pretty loaded roster, so no big deal. I'm hoping that he works out. If he can succeed anywhere, it's in KC. I can't see him having much impact this season unless it's returning kicks. But he's got a good head start to make an impact next year when all of our wide receivers except Skyy and MVS will be free agents.

When you're picking around #30 in every round every ****ing year, you have to take a chance on elite athletic talent whenever you get a chance.

Toney's an elite athletic talent. I've got no qualms about the pick-up, or the pick it took to get him. Its a medium risk/high reward bet.

Let be honest about our draft picks. Veach filled a bunch of holes last off season. Williams and Watson filled in very well in place of Fenton and McDuffie. Harris has play really well in the absence of Willie Gay. On offense the only hole is at RT but it's between solid to elite everywhere else.

My point is these mid to later round picks aren't going to mean as much this year. The premium picks need to be spent on premium positions. Right now that's EDGE and RT.

I must say I don't like the Cook pick right now. I wish we would have used it on a RT but then again I'm sure Veach would tell you the value wasn't there. That's just how it goes sometimes.

All in all, this was a great move by Veach.

Cook has had several big Special Teams tackles to pin the other team deep. He has looked descent in coverage in limited snaps. He should continue to improve.

I don't know how ANYONE can watch Cook play and not be excited about his future. Hell, his present is pretty damn good, both on ST and at safety.

What, exactly, is it that you "don't like" about the pick?

With his contract the size that it is, I'd say it's low risk / high reward.

I'm still absolutely pumped about this move and cannot wait to see him play.

Reid says that Toney is healthy. Hahahaha....

He HAS to be healthy enough to pass a physical, otherwise he couldn't have been traded.

It's a miracle!

If Toney was injured the 1st week in October then sure he's healthy almost a month later.

So we want him to play but aren't we forgetting "how difficult it is for WR's to pick up this system" or whatever we say when a WR struggles here?

Wonder if the Giants will get a slap on the wrist for marking him down as injured when it seems to be likely that wasn't the case at all.

Trent McDuffie says maybe not.

I don't think anybody expects a big role right away. I'd imagine he'll return kicks in the beginning and get a few snaps on offense until he has a better handle on everything.

Depends on the severity of the injury. A lot of guys can play the week after tweaking a hammy. Other players not so much.

Probably Toney will have a package of plays that Andy will expand as the season goes on. But a lot depends on Toney's ability to absorb the playbook.

My conservative guess is that Toney will be a decoy on a lot of plays initially and most of his touches will be manufactured this season. If he picks things up quickly, he'll get more targets in the last quarter of the season.

But the more I look at it, the more it looks like Toney is really Hardman's eventual replacement in 2023. He's just better at all those gadget type plays than Hardman, and a much better WR that still has some growth ahead of him, while Hardman is basically what he's going to be at this point. Personally, I think Hardman could still grow as a WR, but he's close to his peak at this point. Plus, Mecole will want a big contract, and Toney is still on his rookie deal for another 3 years?

Seems like a no-brainer.

yeah seems a bit inflated - 5 weeks early? no.

not necessarily

Depends on what system Kafka is running for the Giants.

he's more like DeSean Jackson honestly. Not remotely like Hill - I hate that comparison, it's not true...

after watching this guy (finally) - I think he has mad potential - and I really need to stop doubting Brute Veeches!,,

reminds me of my JV days y'all!!

After checking the injury reports he's had a hammy since week 2.

Again, he's healthy.

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have been traded. The Chiefs have to administer a physical, and he has to PASS it, to even be traded in the first place.

And, since some people can't seem to put two and two together, Kadarius Toney passed his physical, which is how he got traded to the Chiefs the other day.

Is this in dispute? Reid said today in the press conference he was healthy and ready to practice. :shrug:

Right! My post was about him faking it.

Sometimes people miss stuff, I guess.

Reid said he's healthy. Toney has said several times since the trade that he's healthy.

I don't get the hand wringing over it.

Wow, I completely missed that inference, sir.

According to NY sports media, Toney was saying a couple weeks before he was traded to us that he was healthy enough to play.

I'm not sure about him faking it, he said himself he was healthy before the trade

Maybe the Giants benched him and used the injury as the excuse? We'll probably never know for sure.

My guess as well. Toneys deleted tweet was pretty damn suspicious.

I saw somebody say he deleted a tweet but I never saw it, so I don't know what he said. I'd be interested to know. ;)

“That Joke Would’ve Been Funny If I Was Actually Hurt Still Lol…Irrelevant people don’t get updates,”

Thanks!

It is indeed suspicious.

Yeah...whatever happened, happened.....I think Toney is gonna work out, he is gonna be supported by the coaching staff and the WR room, he is gonna do what it takes and we are gonna look back on this deal as one of Veach's best trades.

Can't wait to see him on the field....be nice to see him house a punt on SNF to start off his Chiefs career.

I wonder if the Giants were holding him out the last week or so just so there’d be no way he could pop another hammy and not be tradable.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> QB Patrick Mahomes confirms that the team was interested in acquiring Kadarius Toney well before the trade actually happened. He says that Brett Veach first mentioned the idea of a trade for Toney back in the offseason.</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1587852634475573249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They obviously really wanted this guy. I gotta think they have plans for him already. Can't wait to see him play.

Yep I am kind of excited.

Toney shared that the teams interest was high on him even before he came into the league.

It's easy to see that Veach wanted him, but after pulling the trigger on the OBJ trade with the Ravens, we had no chance to get all the way up that high to get him. Makes you wonder if we had signed Silverback that offseason if we would have made a move for Toney.

Then, we wouldn't have Creed or Bolton, maybe. So it's weird how the butterfly effect works.

It turned out for the best in hindsight. We got Creed, Bolton, AND Toney.

Seriously. We dodged a bullet by losing out on him. And you have to wonder how SF feels about that contract now.

I'm trying like hell to contain my excitement, as it's very likely Toney won't be on the field much this season, as much as we'd all like to see him out there making crazy plays with Pat.

But this guy is so electric, it's really hard to keep my pants on, so to speak.

I saw Superturtle's post and automatically thought it was BossChief that he was quoting when I saw "Silverback" LMAO

He's gonna play man. They've been thinking about how to use him for months apparently.

I wonder if that was before or after trading Tyreek

Yeah, I get that Veach liked this guy last year. My only concern is whether he has the brains to be an integral part of the offense. Just to get on the field much this season, he's going to have to absorb a good chunk of the playbook very quickly. And he doesn't seem to be nearly as good playing against zone as he is vs. man. Now, between Kelce and JJSS, he's got access to a couple really good mentors in that regard. But that may take time.

Personally, I think a lot of his routes (outside of gadgets/screens) will be verticals, where he can maximize his current abilities.

Whatever. Just trying not to geek out too much at this point. Better to be pleasantly surprised if he plays more than 5 snaps/game.

You know who NYs OC is right?

I have a feeling Toney will be able to contribute a little faster than some may think.

Peter King just said that we traded a second and a fifth for Toney...he is not good at his only job

All other things being equal, I would agree with you. And yeah, I know it's kafka/Daboll. And Kafka was with the Chiefs last year. My understanding is that the NYG offense is kind of a hybrid between WC(Kafka) and the spread (Daboll).

So much of the language should be the same or similar.

But Toney didn't participate in preseason activities, and at least NYG analysts felt he didn't improve over last season. So that's at least a little concerning.

Oh, I don't think he's going to take on a full time role right away. Like you said, he still has to learn the route trees and the playbook.

But you can bet that they've got some designed packages ready for him to get him involved sooner rather than later...

LMAO Took enough shit for thinking that signing Brokeback was a bad idea at the time that I will gleefully mock any mention of him for all times.

I'm not sure how in just 2 games they decided he hadn't gotten any better at all.

Link?

he was on the Cowherd

No idea. Just paraphrasing what I read from a couple of their local Giants analysts. Doesn't help that he was only targeted like 3 times in those games, so literally no actual film to study either.

Maybe they're going by how he practiced?

WEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

He wasn't practicing because of the hammy, that's why they wanted rid of him.

Yeah, i know. Think that article was from week 3, basically after his second game. But I think he was limited in practice even before then.

He's been limited with some injury or another pretty much his entire NFL career to this point. Hopefully, it was an attitude thing and not really him being injured all the time but I wouldn't count on it.

I wonder if he's maybe just an asshole. If Mahomes and Reid can't get anything out of him it's really a small investment.

That's the risk, yes.