Jefferson and Chase are elite talents. Every single offensive skill position player Veach has drafted on day 1 or 2 has been the result of Veach passing up superior talent for players with question marks. Not sure what Veach's deal is but he can't be trusted to draft receivers or runningbacks.

The NFL over the last three seasons have been littered with rookie WRs making an impact year one. It’s just just those two.

I’m not sure if it’s the scouting, the system, coaching or all of the above.

Was always going to be difficult getting him targets with Kelce, JuJu, MVS, and Hardman.

Man, some of you need your heads adjusted.

You want to bitch about the lack of immediate return from the Moore pick? Yell at the coaches for being chickenshits about putting him on the field.

The bottom line is until we see Moore on the field (and no, returning punts doesn't count) it's kind of worthless to start calling him a bust or whatever it is the **** you're doing.

Tyreek was learning to play WR his rookie year. Does anybody think he puts up the successful numbers he does in 2017 if the Chiefs don't cut Maclin?

I think it's just Andy, man. He probably knows what he's doing, but it's tough to say until Moore gets an opportunity to be "next man up." That might be what it takes.

Truth.

I still say he got the most separation of any WR at camp. He sill be a good WR for us..it was just a shitty day catching punts.

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Nice bounce-back game for Skyy. Hoping he can get more involved as the season goes.

Yea, nothing spectacular, but it was a positive performance and he should continue to get more snaps and opportunities every week.

Looked better than Hardman to me, even in limited snaps. Mahomes doesn't seem to trust Hardman, so I don't either.

I trust skyy to catch passes more than I do MVS.

especially when he is wide open

22 snaps last night. Not bad.

They need to use this kid exactly on like they did. He’s very good on RPO’s and the middle of the field. Collinsworth compared him to the NE guys like Edelman who are strong and quick effective route runners. We’ve needed a guy like that for a long time

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs rookie Skyy Moore finally getting in on the action by picking up a key first down on a crisply run pivot route <a href="https://t.co/3nrKmAimaX">pic.twitter.com/3nrKmAimaX</a></p>&mdash; Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) <a href="https://twitter.com/7RoundsInHeaven/status/1576761931884810242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore getting involved off the RPO<br><br>Nice drive starter for KC <a href="https://t.co/tTROztZbXC">pic.twitter.com/tTROztZbXC</a></p>&mdash; Aidan Maher (@Aidan_Maher17) <a href="https://twitter.com/Aidan_Maher17/status/1576759228835897344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Plucked it out of the air. Nice to see.

This last week shoudl be a good lesson for CP on not writing off things to early and acting like bitche.......who am I kidding. It'll always be this way.

Now it's MVS.

LMAO

He had two catches for 31 yards, calm down.

And no one wrote shit off. Everyone said, GET HIM ON THE FIELD, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

Yeah, that little dagger route was play design (though it's nice to see him involved) but the RPO play was an excellent one. Got to his spot on time and snagged a slightly tougher catch that could've been a pick if it clanged off his hands.

Honestly this is about where I hoped he'd be in week 1 but it's still progress. His curve seems a little flatter than I (and many) expected but he still has a shot at a 5-600 yard season. Just needs to keep on moving forward.

Yeah - not sure what his point is there. Nobody wrote him off at all.

We wanted to see MORE of him, not less.

I put it in the MOore thread but it was more in line with the "OL is awful, WR's are terrible, RB's shoudl be aborted" etc.

Those types will never learn.

Great to see him get on the field. Now double his snaps. I know Hard Man will pout but it is what it is.

Hardman’s first quarter of the season has been the real disappointment. Skyy just needs to keep progressing and he’ll be fine.

Something interesting about last night. The all 22 from the SB loss showed the Bucs doubling Tyreek and putting a LB (White) on Kelce. They didn’t care about anybody else and they were right.

Last night multiple WR’s won. Skyy got open on a few, MVS got open, Juju made plays in multiple ways. And when they doubled Kelce they went back to those receivers.

The strength in their blocking was quite noticeable too. Especially Juju and Watson.

We took advantage of their aggressiveness.

Hardman is fine guys. He was getting open last night. It's ok.

Skyy showed some natural hands on that snag that was out in front of him. Strong, impressive catch.

Yeah not sure why Hardman is getting shit on today.

Mahomes didn't see him when he broke wide the **** open on a busted coverage.....so he sucks?

Becuase they can't shit on CEH or Skyy this week.

There must always be somebody to bitch about.

If I were them I'd bitch about you. You're an easy target.

Your wife's gaping hole is an easy target.

Well there's that guy who said Kelce wasn't a HoF athlete. So he's putting himself in the driver's seat at the moment...

Wait, what?

Unlikely scenario.

Small penis, huh?

He needs to return punts regardless.

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It's alright bud, you are probably an expert at all things oral.

Yeah.

Did you know that you can contrast Kelce and Gates by noting that Gates had 'elite ball skills'?

Completely new information to me. I learned something today.

:LOL:

You know, I've thought this thru and I don't think so.

With this offense, you want someone back there with sure hands and is smart. Get out of the way of touchbacks, fair catches, keep us from being pinned up against the endzone.

Sure, you'd love the occasional return TD, but with this offense, I dont' need to steal points in special teams, just don't give up any.

Hardman may house one every once in a while. He also may cause some disaster.

I know Skyy had the INdy fiasco, but I'm chalking that up to nerves and bad luck.

And sight lines. There was obviously something up in the 1st quarter because he muffed the first one but completely lost the 2nd one in the air.

I do just fine, thanks.

It was a dentist joke, man. Those are always funny.

Nothing that comes from that son of a bitch staylor is funny. It's tired and it's boring.

That's what she said (your wife).

He snatches horizontal footballs like lizards snatching flies

Move Hardman back to punt returner and let Skyy exclusively focus on his role in the offense.

I concur with this take Doctor.

One thing I noticed right away is his ability to snatch the ball out of the air. He has really good hands.

Also does anyone think we are brining him along slowly as to not ****ing let the league know right away we have a real WR.

No.

That would be pretty counterintuitive.

Average separation from the closet defender per route run


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Skyy Moore stock up big after this week. Constantly got open all night. Should 100% be our 3rd WR going forward over Mecole and Watson <a href="https://t.co/sZlk5esew3">pic.twitter.com/sZlk5esew3</a></p>&mdash; ArrowheadConner (@ArrowheadConner) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadConner/status/1576994331889586176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Saw Matt Lane and those guys saying he was getting open all night too.

Just let this man do his thing Andy. The offense will be unstoppable once you get him going.

Yep he just needs opportunities. I am hoping he continues to get more and more snaps because he could end up being our best WR.

You mean, like they're bringing him along slowly to spring him on an opponent in a key conference matchup that will be heavily influential in determining homefield advantage for the AFC playoffs?

Is there one of those coming up soon?

hmmm?

Yeah Kinda like that, I cannot imagine why Hardman is getting snaps over this kid.

MVS/HARDMAN on the field at same time doesn't make sense to me. Both burners, but both suspect hands.

Moore from the looks of it give you A+ hands.

It'd be nice if Moore was like Mike Williams. That mother****er catches everything.

SKYY NEEDS MOORE CATCHES

Looking forward to the day we hear "Pickens who?" from the doubters. Yes I am ignoring his last game, and yes I am also assuming he has a career mired in diva nonsense while Moore quietly stacks up yard after yard.

Probably wildly optimistic but we were on the train early so might as well ride it.

Yea, I mean if one was a rookie playing for Andy Reid or something, but we've already beaten that horse to death...

Maybe it's just bad karma.

Give it time and I'm sure his luck will change.

anybody see his leg and knee get collapsed in that scrum?
Must be some rubber in there, he was hurting for a minute

Saved by the elasticity and flexibility of youth

Good to see him get a couple like MVS. Offense still evolving.

I would be limping for years after that

Dude plays football wide receiver for the KC Chiefs imo

If everyone is seeing Moore constantly getting open in the all-22 then the team is going to see it soon as well.

Exactly. Mahomes sees it on tape he will start looking for him Moore.

He'll be fine. If he's still just getting two targets after the bye, then I'd be concerned. Otherwise, he's going to gradually pick up targets and as i said before, he'll be a starting WR no later than week 10 or 11.

Maybe this offense IS a tad complex for a new WR...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Juju Smith Schuster told NBC that he’s learned more about offense in a few months with the KC staff than he did in five years in Pittsburgh. Wow</p>&mdash; Bob Pompeani (@KDPomp) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDPomp/status/1576744233297678337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But could also be kissing butt of the new bosses, similar to Tyreek with Tua and Sammy Watkins in Green Bay.

Could be, I suppose.

But we do know that Andy makes every WR learn every route tree. This offense doesn't have designated spots like some others.

That and Pittsburgh is an absolute tire fire for offense.

Matt Canada might be the least creative OC in football. I have zero respect for him, and I'm continually shocked that Tomlin and the organization keeps sticking by him.

To some degree this seems unnecessarily dogmatic, no?

I get that having versatility is a great thing. And you want to be able to do some 'next man up' stuff when someone gets hurt.

But when Hardman is in his 4th year and still doesn't seem like someone who's gonna grasp the X role or the offense needs help on the backside in the worst way and you've got Moore out there running Z routes in practice...aren't you missing the forest for the trees a bit?

I understand the long-term benefits here, but maybe just focus on making sure that you have guys that are really good at their primary function as quickly as possible BEFORE you have them dabbling in their backup functions.

Reps and practice time are limited lads - lets get Moore up to speed on that Y position as quickly as possible. Then try to get him involved as the X and see where it takes us. But having him out there splitting his time between all 3 and/or saying he isn't ready for a full load until he can play all 3 positions credibly just seems unnecessary.

I don't necessarily disagree but I also don't think this is ever going to change.

I mean, Andy keeps texting me and asking me what I'd do in his shoes, but I just haven't found the time to get back to him.

So my bad, I guess. I'll try to do better.

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At this point I just want a wr in the right spots and I know it’ll take time for skyy to get there. I am way more confident in Justin Watson to do that than mecole at this point. Watson should get more of mecoles touches with the goal of easing skyy into more and more as the season goes on.

Agreed.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/10/...hiefs-offense/

"Through four regular season games, Moore has only seen 5 targets, which have led to 3 catches for 61 yards. That doesn’t sound very impressive until you pair it with the fact that Moore has only been on the field for 22 passing plays this season and has netted 2.77 receiving yards per route run, according to Pro Football Focus ($). For reference, 2.77 yards/route run is good enough for 8th among all NFL wide receivers this season with at least five targets. Travis Kelce is at 2.27, JuJu Smith-Schuster at 1.79, Marquez Valdes-Scantling at 1.27, and Mecole Hardman at 0.78."

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