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Entirely agree.

So, let's say Taylor is correct and he gets to 7. If Jones can get his 10 and Dunlap gets 6 you can probably count on Frank Clark for 4 or 5. All others will be helpful but nobody else is going to have a really significant impact IMHO, maybe 3 or 4 from Wharton, 1 or 2 from Nnadi and blitzes should add quite a few from LBs and secondary.

The addition of George and Dunlap has me feeling optimistic that our pass rush will be much improved from last year. Probably top half of the league anyway. The rate of wins not converted to sacks last season should be an indicator that lack of coverage downfield was as much of a problem as the actual pass rush anyway.

We are going to get more pressure this year than we have for the last three years for sure.

You have to Double Jones.....

So Clark/George are going to get 1on1's

im super excited to watch this kid ball the **** out on Sunday
most excited in a long time for a specific player other than His Mahighness

What will forever be one of the most embarrassing stats I've ever seen:

The Bengals in the post-season:

Cin v. LVR: 36 drop-backs, 2 sacks
vs. Ten: 46 drop-backs, 9 sacks
vs. LAR: 40 drop-backs, 7 sacks

122 drop backs and he was sacked 18 times.

In 38 drop backs against KC he was sacked once. And somehow even that doesn't feel representative of how truly inept the DL was. It wasn't just a lack of sacks - they didn't push the pocket or create havoc anywhere.

That may have been the worst offensive line to ever make a Super Bowl. And the Chiefs DL just had NOTHING for them. They were garbage at every position on the OL. That OL wasn't appreciably better than what the Chiefs ran out there against TB the previous Super Bowl. It was hot garbage.

That's why I'll simply never understand bringing Frank Clark back. Or believing Mike Danna is the answer to a question worth asking. Or thinking Chris Jones is a guy who can be the alpha male on a championship caliber defense. That single performance just perfectly encapsulate everything that was wrong with the DL last year.

In a game where we had a 21-3 lead and KNEW they were going to have to throw the ball, the defensive line simply had nothing to offer.

When Brett Veach saw his OL crater and end the season in the SB, he pulled out every stop imaginable to fix it. When his saw this DL put together one of the more pathetic post-season performances you'll ever see he did...not nearly as much.

I just do not understand how they think this DL is going to be good enough because of one significant draft addition and an old guy who wins with length and couldn't stay healthy through the pre-season (while simultaneously jettisoning the most consistent guy we had on the DL last year). It really is a head-scratcher.

Wherefore art thou, Big Shel!!!!

who did we 'jettison'? Ingram? Oh he of two sacks all year?

And Dunlap averages about 8 sacks a year. That's not chopped liver. And last year, splitting time with two teams, he had 6, which is...well, it's 4 more than Ingram, who is your 'jettisoned' most consistent player.

Jones back inside full time should return to double digits. if Dunlap pitches in his usual 8, Furious George 8, and Clark does 6, Danna a couple, Wharton a couple, we'll be okay.

Remember that we were top third in pass rush win rate; that says that we couldn't cover. We should be better there.

I think we'll be fine. Especially later in the season.

I'm pumped to see Furious George! May he crush the pencil necked midget in glorious fashion!

Not quite. The left side of the line for the Bengals was 'ok'

Just the right side was a tire fire. Burrow was barely mobile at that point, which makes the Chiefs DL effort even more pathetic.

Had to go and check, but let's be fair: in the AFCCG vs. CIN last season the Chiefs D only allowed one TD and a pair of FGs in the second half. Okay, yea, it was an embarrasment that they didn't get to Burrow more often, or even really make him move off his spot, but seriously, if you told me going into the game that the Chiefs would have a 11 pt lead going into the 2nd half (in which they flat dominated CIN on both sides of the ball), and that CIN would only score 13 points in the second half, I'd have bet the farm that the Chiefs would roll in that game.

But the facts are the facts: the Chiefs offense scored just 3 points in the second half.

People can shit on the Chiefs defense all they want for not getting to Burrow in that game, but as a unit they did their job.

It was the offense that shit the bed in unbelievable catastrophic fashion, not the defense.

2 sacks Sunday against the midget. 15 on the year.

I can’t wait to see Karlaftis and JJ Watt with the post game - torch passing - jersey swap after George sacks Kyler 2-3 times when Kyler can’t find anyone open.

You'll get very little disagreement from anyone there.

And when you say "The Chiefs Offense" shit the bed - I think we all know what you really mean. Patrick Mahomes cratered. When the most important player on your team isn't just leaving points on the field but rather he is actively costing you them, you're really in a world of hurt.

But this is still one of those situations where the defense could have pulled it from the fire and they didn't. We've asked Mahomes to do it many times - was it really too much to ask for the highest paid DL in football to do ANYTHING in the most important game of the year?

It was real real REAL bad.

Reid was the problem not Pat. He kept calling passing plays vs an 3 man front. When we had run well.

There were players open all over the damn field. Pat just wouldn't throw it or couldn't hit it.

I mean how many video's did you have to see of him staring at guys open and clutching? He had two guys he could've thrown the game-winning score to on throws he's made 100 times and he just tucked it.

Pat was playing scared; playing not to lose. And it's why we lost.

Karlaftis kind of reminds me of Bolton. He's going to be a very good football player.

He def needed to release the ball on that last regulation goal line situation. Def was scared

You also have to remember how much freedom Reid gives Mahomes. For instance, remember the tip drill interception where he hit the DL on a simple middle screen and the ball was picked? A) It was a terrible throw there - the guy was right in front of him, you have to expect him to put his hands up and my memory is that the ball hit him in the damn head. B) It was, most critically to this conversation, an RPO. And Mahomes elected to pull the ball.

Now I don't know what his read keys were, maybe it was the right play. But when you watch it, it sure doesn't look like it. It looks like that play was dead in the cradle. When that's the case on an RPO its fair to question if maybe PM just made the wrong read.

JT O'Sullivan did one of those QB School breakdowns on it that really laid it all out there - he was just a bit of a mess. If he wasn't holding the ball too long, he was rushing through his progressions and blowing up play design. At a point it just didn't matter what Reid tried to do because there WERE plays to be made on virtually every snap. Patrick just wasn't making them. And he picked up some little execution issues in the routes here and there as well, notably the play at the end of the 1st half where he blames Hill for running his route poorly. He thinks Hill was supposed to come downhill more as he was coming across and make that catch at the 2 instead of the 4; he just wasn't where he was supposed to be so he came up a yard short.

A lot of instances of players just not executing on plays that SHOULD'VE worked.

EDIT: Just found it - you can see what happened on the Hill play. He turned his head and his feet followed his eyes. When he snapped his head around over his left shoulder, it took his shoulders around a bit and away from the goal-line. When his head/shoulders did that, his feet followed. Not only did he not flatten towards the goal line, from the moment he turned his head around he actually flared BACK another yard or two. I just cannot imagine for a second that is where Hill was supposed to be when he caught that ball and if he catches it coming downhill, he gets into the end-zone. Maybe he was too anxious and turned his head too soon? Maybe if he stays in the route 3 strides longer, those 3 strides are the downhill strides he needs and when he turns around, the balls at the 2/3 yard line for him to catch and bring into the end zone. Just a tiiiiiiiny little execution error that very probably ended our season.

Here's the breakdown in all it's...uh...glory.

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Kid was just awful. It happens.

God almighty, look at that play at 26:14. Tie game, start of the 4th quarter. Feels a little pressure and spins out of it. He has a 30 yard throw to Hill that he's looking right at.

He's made that play how many times in his career? At LEAST a dozen times. That's a pitch and catch for him, especially since he found clean air. He was out there with all kinds of space and time. It's just a step and fire and you have a chance to grab the momentum back.

Don't watch that video if you're squeamish because honestly, as bad as I remember Patrick playing - he was worse. He wasn't just leaving 10/12 yard gains out there. He was leaving 40 yarders on the field. And most of them were fantastic catch/run play design plays where he didn't need to throw the ball more than 15-20 yards and someone was going to have it with room to operate downfield.

It's just completely inexplicable and at times you can hear it in O'Sullivan's voice. He's as confused as the rest of us. The game just suddenly looked to fast for him. Damndest thing I've ever seen in sports honestly.

That game will always be suspicious to me.

The problem is that there is just nobody that benefits from it.

The league doesn't want the Bengals in the SB over the Chiefs. You couldn't pay Mahomes enough to throw that game. And he's too competitive to sabotage it out of spite (as the Bieniemy rumor suggested).

That core group has been together long enough that I can't see internal tension/strife exploding in the locker room.

I think he just got in his own head and for the first time in his career looked young. He looked sped up.

I still think he was injured and they didn’t report it. Probably took a hit in the game and that was it. Same way when we played Henry in the AFCCG, and Dirty Dan hit him hard in the thigh, and that was the last good run he had that game. They never said he was injured, but he likely was.

He looked like a guy who expected something to go wrong. Like he expected their early season demons that plagued them for half the year to return. So he protected. Protected way too much.

I think their was a legit lack of trust that his receivers would hold onto the ball.

What we do know is he ran around a lot, didn't pull the trigger, and took sacks. He made bad throws. He didn't do the things he's normally good at doing.

He can figure it out and fix it or he can feel the pull of the quicksand...

Not unfounded, either. He didn't play particularly well, but I think he's going to trust the new guys much more than the former "group."

He played like a family member was kidnapped and he had to throw the game in the second half or they would get killed.

Having witnessed the 2nd half and OT of the AFCCG in person, I never want to see footage of the game again.

Were you on a tropical vacation for the 1st half?

What thread is this?

It's the "Let's hit our dicks with a sledgehammer for the 7000th time instead of talking about the future DROY" thread

He seemed to trust them pretty well in the Bills playoff game

Historically, Mahomes isn’t a guy who will go into a shell because his receivers suck, or because they’ve been making mistakes. He’d keep firing, he’s a gunslinger at heart

That’s why that AFCCG performance was inexplicable

Not trying to hijack this thread anymore than we already have, but kind of a reverse-angle note on that video: am I seeing things, or was CIN actually committing up to 5 defenders to stopping Kelce at times? Check the video in the 1st or second play analysis; the defender at the bottom of the screen sure looks like his assignment is to pay Kelce as he crosses the field. From the snap he's looking right at him, or so t seems.

Except he's lined up on the other side of the formation? And there are several other plays in that video where it looks like CIN decided to essentially box Kelce with 3-4 guys whenever the Chiefs were inside the 25-yd line. Not sure I've ever seen any defense in 40+ years devote that much manpower to stopping anyone, outside of Barry Sanders.

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Spoiler:

1. He
2. Plays
3. For
4. The
5. Kansas
6. City
7. Chiefs
8. My
9. Favorite
10. Team

He will get redrafted in the top 4 picks a year from now and McDuffie will be top 10.

I think he gets a sack on his first pass rush rep and ends his rookie year with 11 sacks.

Hells yes! DROTY, Skyy Moore OROTY, first time in league history!(I have no idea if thats true.)

There are way too many rookies in good situations for Skyy to get OROTY but I know I targeted him in dynasty PPR because he's going to catch a shit load of passes once Pat realizes how quickly he gets open every play

There were rumors of Mahomes and Bieniemy going at each other hardcore in the locker room at halftime, so much that allegedly Reid had to step in. Would explain Mahomes' head not in the game if true, I'd say.

I firmly believe that if Mahomes hands off to McKinnon on that last play before halftime we win the game. Nobody on that Bengals defense expected a draw play and it was wide open for a touchdown, but Mahomes tried to force it to Hill laterally down the line that lost yardage. Supposedly Bieniemy told him in his helmet he had one more time out to use, which led to the locker room blowup. All allegedly, of course.

“He has a motor like no other.” - C.Jones

Really pleased with Karlaftis. He also had a batted pass

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Five players had 5+ hurries in Week 1<br><br>THREE of them were <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> <br><br>CHRIS JONES 6<br>MICHAEL DANNA 6<br>GEORGE KARLAFTIS 5<br>Maxx Crosby 5<br>Odafe Oweh 5 <a href="https://t.co/V9YCQBpQ2r">pic.twitter.com/V9YCQBpQ2r</a></p>&mdash; NFL on CBS �� (@NFLonCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1569686586433966081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who's that #1 guy, I can't read very well.

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The Cullen effect

Love this kid. Absolutely love him. My favorite draft pick since Mahomes.

Not Frank Clark

Trent McDuffie apparently looked really good too. Mike Renner was raving about him on Twitter. It’s too bad NFL+ is pissing me off and won’t release the All-22.

Was supposed to be released yesterday at 6 PM yesterday

Can you post the Renner tweets?

I'm not going to get excited about pressure. We got pressure last year. They need to convert those into sacks. I realize that Murray is a scrambler. So hopefully that's why there weren't more sacks. I want to see Herbert on his back no less than 5 times Thursday night.

Ah ok.

I was searching around for it last night, asking google and found no answers. I'm like..."pretty sure i sub'd to Premium".

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shame that Chiefs CB Trent McDuffie may be out a bit with a hamstring because there was R-rated stuff he was doing to the Cardinals WRs. I’m not sure he had a single bad rep</p>&mdash; Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1569654673241522181?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:whackit:

I have a Premium sub and right now, there's no All 22 for any of the games, not even LA/Buffalo. It's like they forgot.

Want a laugh?

Arrowhead Pride listed Karlaftis as one of their losers from the game:

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/...00wKrDR9TY3X84

PFF has him as one of the best

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three Chiefs at the top of the hurries leaderboard via <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a> <a href="https://t.co/NVdrNEuqz6">pic.twitter.com/NVdrNEuqz6</a></p>&mdash; EDDIE HIGH (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1569357070620672002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Are we going to have a dominate pass rush this year?

It’s going to be epic

Didn't they give him a grade below 70 for the game?

Their grades are shit. News at 11.

Seems dumb that they'd be like "Karlaftis didn't get a sack but that's probably what the game plan was to contain Murray" I guess they needed to pad their article?

the first few weeks of the season never has the all 22 out. it always takes them til like week 4. it sucks now too compared to the old format

And they said all he did was 1 tackle.

He had 5 pressures and batted down a pass.

Maybe George could have gotten a couple of sacks in the game where his defense got torched by replacement level players.

You know, like Bradley Chubb.

An easy candidate would’ve just been “ball security”. We did put the ball on the ground on few times, which could bite us in a closer game.

That would’ve made sense.

How can you talk about his performance and not mention that batted down pass which if I’m not mistaken was on 3rd or even 4th down? What a garbage article.

Yes, and I believe it was in the RZ as well unless I'm not remembering correctly.

The Seahawks had 34 yards and 0 points in the second half. What are you even talking about? If it wasn't for the penalties and the 1 blown coverage they wouldn't have scored a single point.

ROFL

Stage 3 for you.

What are you even talking about? Geno started 13-13 LMAO

He moved the ball up and down the field in the first half at will against your swiss cheese D.

Just imagine what real offenses are going to do.

You're in for a long year bud.

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If we walked away with a lock down corner... I swear to veach I will have his children

Yeah they raved about Karlaftis and McDuffie and then gave them only decent-ish grades. To be honest I think they're probably seen as high grades for rookies.

Karlaftis was the 3rd highest graded rookie DE after Dominique Robinson and Travon Walker. But Robinson had about half the snaps.

Karlaftis' grade was 63.5, Walker's was 66.2. Hutchinson who had similar snaps - 56.3. Lol, would love it if Karlaftis has a greater impact.

McDuffie had the 5th best CB rookie grade with 69.8. Four above were only slightly and they were Sauce Gardner, Emerson, McCreary and...Jaylon f**in Watson.

While we're on PFF grades. Fun fact, 3 of the top 8 TEs graded in Week 1 were ours. Those are grades I can get behind.

RIP McDuffy to IR

NOoooooo




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> rookie CB Trent McDuffie to miss the next 4 weeks on IR.<a href="https://t.co/YGLYlFXi6S">https://t.co/YGLYlFXi6S</a><a href="https://t.co/YGLYlFXi6S">https://t.co/YGLYlFXi6S</a></p>&mdash; 610SportsKC (@610SportsKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC/status/1569783997399539715?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I want the next 5 years of Mahomes to be ridiculous and unfair.

;)

It was pretty clear in the game that he was beasting. Really stinks the Cards' field had to **** him over.

10 sack minimum for Furious George.


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Thought he was excellent on Sunday

Did we get lost here??

Make all the excuses you want - the margin for error in this division is ZERO.

Y'all have spotted the division a win. Oh sure, the Raiders lost - but they lost to a division opponent.

Dropping a game you shouldn't all but ensures you aren't winning the division at this point. And given that y'all have a 33 year old QB who seems to be on the decline and has a cap hit that will only increase in the coming years, you can't afford to be blowing even a single season.

The Broncos, even if they're a playoff caliber team, aren't a good enough team to just outrun the other 3 teams in the division. 1 week into the season and you're already behind the 8 ball.

On second thought - I'd probably be busy making excuses as well...