Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 14077380)

Did Hootie change the name on his old account to The Franchise?

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14077390)

That's Pest. ( I think )

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 14077376)

he was wide 9 there which is the same as what he's been doing in KC for the most part.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077372)

You're only allowed 1 June first cut IIRC.

They'll probably cut those guys for sure, but they've got a lot of guys coming due for sure.

Plus I'm guessing jerry pays Dak like a legit franchise QB which is gonna suck up a bunch of space.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077416)

I just don't think there is any reason to restructure Houston's deal. We don't gain enough in cap space to make it worth the pain its going to cause in 2020, you know the year we are going to have to pay our young super star QB...

I feel the same about cutting Sorenson. Cutting him to gain 2.6 million in cap space so that we have to turn about and spend that or more on the same position is just stupid. Ride it out. Hell we need bodies (depth) at the position anyway.

Honestly finding a way to get something in return for Ford would be HUGE, not only would be gain picks (2nd rounder at a minimum) but not having to tie up 15 million allows us to go get someone in free agency.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14077413)

It probably won’t happen bc we paid Hitchens a shit load of money already, but man would I be rock hard if we got Anthony Barr.

That guy is a goddamn stud. Perfect LB for a 4-3.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077431)

I'm just not excited to be paying 2 offball linebackers that much money

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14077336)

You have to account for who they are going to cut June 1st too....

I could see them cutting the following realistically.

La'el Collins 6.5 Million Cap Savings
Sean Lee 7.0 Million Cap Savings
Tyrone Crawford 5.9 Million Cap Savings
Allen Hurns 5.0 Million Cap Savings
Terrance Williams 2.0 Million Cap Savings

Add that to their 54 Million in Cap Space, that would be 80 Million in Cap Space.


Cowboys are sitting pretty good.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14077276)

What about this..



-We are stuck with Berry. Nothing we can do this year.

-Restructure Houston’s pro rated money to drop the cap hit to $15.5 million.

-Trade Ford to the Packers for a 2nd and 4th.

—Ford isn’t Mack and has injury history. I’d take a 2nd and recoup our 4th. I think that’s realistic.

-Cut Sorenson.

-Trade a 2nd rd pick for Xhavier Rhodes, Jalen Ramsey or Patrick Peterson (whoever the **** it is you like).

-Extend Jordan Lucas to a fair lower tier deal (next year is a contract year for him).

-Sign one of Tyreek or Chris Jones. Low cap hit 2019.

-Use 4 picks in the top 100 to find good players in a damn good defensive class.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14077433)

Then draft some better ones. This is on Veach to fix.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14077429)

Restructuring makes sense if it's an extension. And if we want him to retire as a chief. Two things we may be less certain about now that we're changing schemes. If you're ok with paying him that big money now then why not just use that money to frontload his next contract. Or if you don't want the cap hit then change the $17m to bonus. Depends on if we want to frontload or backload.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077740)

How do you save money against the cap if you are not extending him?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077747)

Yeah, I was kind of wondering that too. You've gotta put that money somewhere.

Also, in regards to the Collins safety talk, theres just no way i'd spend that much on him. He's good, but just no thanks for me.

I'd give half that for Amos and probably be just as happy.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14077754)

Agreed

My buddy’s that’s a Jags fan says they’re probably cutting Tashaun Gipson. He’d probably be a good value as well.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077764)

Yeah, he's actually a good center fielder IIRC.

I figure they're gonna be cutting lose a good number of defensive guys from that team. Who all you think will be let go?

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14077769)

Gipson and Malik Jackson are the two guys my buddy is pretty sure they will cut.

He said there’s talk of them trading Telvin Smith and moving Myles Jack to WLB also.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077744)

By restructuring his contract. You take a portion of his base salary and convert it to a signing bonus. That signing bonus then gets split up over the years left in his contract.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14077776)

He doesn’t think they’ll trade Ramsey, but I reminded him that I was confident we wouldn’t trade Peters this time last year too.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14077776)

He doesn’t think they’ll trade Ramsey, but I reminded him that I was confident we wouldn’t trade Peters this time last year too.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077775)

So I take a portion of his $14.750M base salary and pay it out as a signing bonus, which if I'm not extending him, means it all goes to 2020, making him more painful to cut when I have to pay Mahomes and he's a 32 year old DE...

No, not doing to do that. Too little savings. I want to walk from that contract in 2020.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077785)

And the Vikings are going to cut Trae Waynes right? They are in cap hell after Cousins and paying their WRs.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077773)

Interesting.

I was wondering if they'd let Calais go as well as IIRC, he makes a good amount of money.

Whats he think about them potentially trading Ramsey?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077779)

Holy hell they've got some DL making some serious money in Jacksonville. Someone has got to go.

Dareus and Malik look like they're probably cut lose.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14077791)

Haven’t thought about that possibility but I liked Wayne’s a lot coming out and he’s finally putting it together.

I’d gladly take Rhodes too :)

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14077796)

Given the money they are spending on defense, the Fournette choice looks really dumb. Needed a QB on cheap contract to go with expensive defense.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14077792)

Don't know if it's been discussed before, but I'd imagine the jags would be one of spagnuolos top places he'd look because of Coughlin.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077795)

I doubt they'd let Wayans go, he doesn't save them much money. Rhodes would be my guess.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14077798)

If the Jags drafted Mahomes they’d be playing in the SB next week

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077802)

They save $9M cutting Waynes, they save $6 mill this year cutting Rhodes. Waynes is the easier guy to cut as he's in the final year of his deal.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077809)

Looks like they could save 10 mil letting Rhodes go but with him already under his contract and Wayans in the last year that makes more sense.

Is Waynes really that good?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14077811)

On their defense he's not in the top half because of the emergence of other players. He'd be a #2 here.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14077413)

It probably won’t happen bc we paid Hitchens a shit load of money already, but man would I be rock hard if we got Anthony Barr.

That guy is a goddamn stud. Perfect LB for a 4-3.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14077810)

Bouye could be a cap casualty.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077812)

Yeah, I'm not really fishing for a decent fish at corner. I'm looking for a trophy.

This staff hasn't had problems finding and developing #2 corners. They can't find a top end guy to save their life.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077817)

I'd still take a swing at Ramsey and see how tired of his shit they're getting.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077822)

I'd offer them a pick for Bouye. We'd get him at cap hits of $13 million over each of the next three seasons.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14077820)

A top end guy is most likely to come from the draft IMO. I don't see them going out and trading for someone like Peterson now.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077829)

Yeah, but I don't really know that he's a legit #1 guy.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077359)

I think the more logical outcome that we'll be looking at for the top 3 right now are:

1. Berry stays at his cap hit and has surgery in the offseason. Best case scenario....he starts the year on the PUP list and comes back Week 6.

2. Restructure Houston's contract. If you convert $10 million of his base salary into a signing bonus...then it gives you another $5 million in cap space this year and you can cut him after the 2019 season ($6.5 million in dead money vs. $17.5 million in cap savings).

3. Tag and trade Ford. I don't trust him to play DE in this defense and hold up against the run. He was good in stopping the run with his speed from the backside of the play but he wasn't great when teams ran right at him. Realistically....I'm looking at pick #44 in the 2nd round and a late 2020 pick from the Packers.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14077841)

LMAO Eagles have to let Nick Foles walk instead of a yag and trade, and the Broncos are interested.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077817)

I'd still take a swing at Ramsey and see how tired of his shit they're getting.

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 14077849)

Well god knows we need CB help in a major way

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077848)

I think I may rather keep Ford than Houston at this point too.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077852)

Cutting Houston basically covers Ford's franchise tag. Or are you talking about giving Ford a new deal?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077856)

No, just the tag.

I'd love to have both, but Houston is older and has had some injury issues. If he doesn't want to lower his number, just cut him and let him go elsewhere.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14077801)

The Jags and the Vikings are kind of prime examples of why it's so damn hard to carry elite defenses from one year to the next. They get so ****ing expensive. Usually it's based on depth why they get so good but guys just get expensive.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077860)

Ok....well that pretty much sets the defensive line as:

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Ford

I guess we could just draft a SLB and roll with him, Hitchens and DOD as our LB group.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14077872)

guys...If Ford is our RDE playing 3 downs....we're gonna give up a 150 yds a game to the offense running left.

I don't know what you guys were watching all year, but this is a recipe for disaster.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14077872)

guys...If Ford is our RDE playing 3 downs....we're gonna give up a 150 yds a game to the offense running left.

I don't know what you guys were watching all year, but this is a recipe for disaster.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077881)

Honestly....I'm at the point where if Houston doesn't take a paycut....he can be gone. And Ford can get tagged and traded.

Grab a guy in FA and draft a guy. Do the same thing for SLB spot.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077886)

I think to survive in the modern NFL, you better be able to build a defense through the draft year in and year out. Maybe there are a couple of players that you try to hold on for their entire careers, but in most cases you need to avoid paying defensive players their second contracts.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14077886)

I think to survive in the modern NFL, you better be able to build a defense through the draft year in and year out. Maybe there are a couple of players that you try to hold on for their entire careers, but in most cases you need to avoid paying defensive players their second contracts.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14077899)

The guys from Locked on Chiefs seem convinced that Ford is very likely a goner because in the 4-3 under he will be relied on to set the edge on the weak side every play, and he can’t be counted on to do so....

Tag and trade is the most appealing option probably.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14077894)

Bingo. WWBBD?

(what would Bill Belichick do?)

He'd let them all walk, pick up some scrap heap stopgap guys and draft a bunch of guys. This is what you must do when you have a Superstar QB.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14077899)

The guys from Locked on Chiefs seem convinced that Ford is very likely a goner because in the 4-3 under he will be relied on to set the edge on the weak side every play, and he can’t be counted on to do so....

Tag and trade is the most appealing option probably.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077920)

Releasing Houston, Sorensen, Ragland and Murray gives the Chiefs $54 million in cap space to work with.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14077920)

Releasing Houston, Sorensen, Ragland and Murray gives the Chiefs $54 million in cap space to work with.