Way less plausible than poontang

According to my source, this has not registered a bit on Packers Planet.

Just got a text back. Here is what is going through the grapevine from people in the know.

It ISN'T a logical conclusion. It isn't logical.

You do not pass on a lifetime of financial security and stability for a young family because of a CHANCE to get a job that you're probably 3rd in line for.

That's not logical at all.

It surprises me how many other theories there are that aren't this.

Makes all the sense in the world to me that Clark would rather fill the role now and not as soon as the season is over next year.

Firing him now cost him millions of dollars...

Every NFL team has someone in addition to the GM who is a cap guru. That's their job. KC replaced their cap guy last month. Shea is the new guy.

Even if any of that is true, it's still an idiotic reason to fire Dorsey.

None of that shit matters as long as Dorsey in bringing in talent that yields a championship level football team.

Exactly

I agree with you 100%. I don't like This move at all.

I think he asked for an out if gb came calling.

After that Clark looked at the cap situation, the berry situation (if true) and things like that svc just decided fyi let him go

This could've been something really special with Dorsey/Reid/Mahomes

Our only hope is that Veach can be 75% of the personnel guy Dorsey was and Mahomes turns into an elite QB

I don't know. Some of that by itself, yes.
Adding it up there could become a problem. Seems Clark wanted to get out ahead of it before it got to be a big issue. Better hope it works out

Bob McGinn, one of the most respected sportswriters in America, wrote a long and detailed piece about Dorsey being the successor in Green Bay.

I don't think that was an accident.

Very logically situation that makes perfect sense.

Yeah.

I still don't agree with it, but that's a genuinely 'logical' sequence of events.

All of that would make complete sense to me. Not sure how I feel about it but yeah... it makes sense.

OK gang, so Dorsey recently filed an appointment for a root canal in Green Bay...

"Clark was not happy at all about how the Eric Berry situation ...This was due to the insurance fiasco"

Absolute no win situation for any GM.

Untrue.

RunKC's post is the most logistical thing I've read. I won't accept the move as good until proven so, but I can understand it a bit more.

He should've learned from the Percy Snow incident

Shows Dorsey was over his head as a GM. Which was kind of obvious when it came to free agency, trades, and contract extensions. Contracts and PR are huge parts of the job. His best position would be as a Personal Director.

I could be wrong--but to me it seems like Clark is big on having the right image, treating players well and being 'professional'...

Dorsey, on the other hand, had become a bit ruthless and purely focused on what's best for the team.

That's a tough line to walk, but as a fan, the Dorsey approach was nice.

So Clark is the one who saved Berry. Clark is the real MVP here! No one here should be mad at Clark

If that is true, then I think Clark is overvaluing the business side of being a GM and undervaluing the talent recognition side. So what if Dorsey offends the players a little when negotiating contracts. If Clark had to intervene to get the sides talking then fine. Maybe that's what he needs to be prepared to do going forward for negotiating major star contracts? Clark can help Dorsey out in that department, but he's not going to be of much use finding the next Kelce, Peters, Hill or Jones. Now, none of us know who is truly responsible for advocating for those players. Maybe those people are still with the team and we will be fine?

It just makes seems like a juvenile reason to let someone go over personality and mgmt style when they are producing a high quality product on the field. Do people love the Pats because Belichik is a nice guy and people think highly of the franchise? No, it's because they win championships. They win championships because they have Brady and can find talent in the draft and in strategic cheap free agents. I thought we were well on our way to replicating that model if Mahomes pans out, but now I have no idea. We will find out is Dorsey or Ballard were the keys to our draft and fa hits or if that person/people are still around.

I want players to play for us because they like the management not because of the money. Clark has basically saved this franchise.

Looks like Clark might have learned his lesson with the Pioli fiasco in terms of the importance of how you treat players in contract negotiations and other types of transactions.

It sounds like it WAS about money if RunKC is correct, and Maclin, plus Dorsey asking for the moon, was the last straw.

So, **** Clark, basically.

I have reached out to my fellow graduates to find out who Dorsey sees in KC. No solid answer yet. This is crucial.

Reid and Clark siding with the players how sad

This isn't about ****ing money!! Clark has hired Pioli to a large contract and now just gave Reid a 5 year extension. This is never about money. It's about Dorsey's inability to mange the cap and contracts.

I know you are not a Dorsey fan given all that you have posted and I agree that aspects of his job were not good. However, the #1 job of a GM is to get the groceries. Dorsey's player acquisitions, as evidenced by our roster, is proof that we was very good at the most important thing. The other aspects of the job (contract negotiations (remember Denny Thum), and PR) could have been handled by reassignment or other means. Bottom line is if you are acquiring talent fairly regularly, you have to keep a guy like that around.

His drafts aren't exactly the greatest either. The talent on this roster is overrated. Mostly it's an outstanding job by Andy Reid coaching them up.

Dorsey is a bulldog.

Clark wants an luxury automobile dealer.

:facepalm:

****ing reeruned. You want to bitch about the other shit, fine. But this is absurd and moronic.

A director of player personnel and scouts are the ones who identify talent. Dorsey's job is to sign them to contracts and look for free agents. Yes he makes the decisions but his scouts are the ones that identify the talent

Well at least we can rule this completely out now.

Clark wants another Carl.

They aren't that great you ****ing homer.

So NFL insiders who have quoted NFL personnel saying this are either providing fake news or the NFL personnel guys do not know what they are talking about? If you have a keener eye for talent than NFL personnel guys may I suggest you send in your application.

:facepalm:

You are in over your head ,dude.

He wants Pioli without the backroom bullshit and general ****ery.

Yep. That's at least making this situation somewhat palatable.

You're unbelievably ****ing ignorant if you believe that

One of the most stupid takes I've seen on CP. Honestly, who's drafted better the past couple years?

yep Clark loved him some Fat Scott, the cap managment, not cutting guys and admitting mistakes, sticking with him way too long, and even asking Andy to see if he could make it work with Fat Scott

It is a fine line. If you start earning a reputation that you are not a franchise that does right by your players, it is only a matter of time before things start going downwards. Players talk in the locker room. They talk to other players around the league. Your stars start staying away from OTA's. Players will be unwilling to talk about renegotiating contracts. An us against management mentality takes over. Agents are going to try and screw you. Guys like Marcus Peters are going to be harder to negotiate with because they know you're just going to ignore them and toss the franchise tag on them. Free agents will be unwilling to talk to you. Remember, Clark talked to Peyton Manning after he signed with Denver at one of the 101 Awards and asked him why he didn't consider the Chiefs, and the response he alluded to was that this place didn't have the best rep under Pioli at the time. I think that stuck with Clark. I doubt he wants to be there again...

What makes you think I am in over my head?! This makes no sense.

True

When your gm starts alienating players that is probably a problem. He doesn't have to be buddies with them though

Can't wait to hear what Kietzmann will say about it today.


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Raiders for one. They got some major high end talent - Carr, Mack, Cooper and Jackson > Kelse, Peters, and Hill.

Yesterday it was because Dorsey drafted the worst QB in the history of the NFL, as evidenced by Mahomes' minicamp. In fact, Reid was so pissed about it he had Mahomes do footwork drills in front of the media so everybody could see how awful Mahomes was so it would make Dorsey look bad.

I am not making this up.

Considering where we were drafting, Kelce, Peters, Hill, Morse, and Jones is pretty ****ig close.

Let's completely ignore draft position though :rolleyes:

Carr is clearly the difference, and if Mahomes turns out to be what he can be I'd definitely argue our drafts have been better.

KK also said that Dorsey was damaged goods because Hunt and Reid have disavowed him, and that other NFL teams might be reluctant to hire him.

Trent Green was on and basically said, in his nice way, that Kietzman was FOS.

It's the Peter Principle. Pioli would have probably been fine if he came along with a veteran head coach who was the boss and they just stuck him in a room and told him to focus on scouting. Same with Dorsey, he's really good at the draft and roster building and putting together a scouting team, but he probably works better if there is a President of Football Operations above him.

It'll be interesting to see if Clark/Reid go with another first time GM or try to get a veteran in there...

LMAO

seriously?
KK needs to be punched in the throat.

If this is true Joe should give him a complimentary Roman candle to be firmly placed in his ass

Pretty easy to do if you're consistently drafting top 4

LMAO

It's going to be Veach.

This tops it. How many All Pros would he have to draft to get your approval?

:eek:

this is very true

lets see if they run into cap problems etc down the road

thats why I love the NFL cap rules....getting the top 4 sure things might actually be worse in the long run that medium round over-performers / value picks...

What an idiot. KK is such an effing joke.

Tyson Jackson and Eric Fisher say otherwise.

Fisher is a top 10 LT

Maybe in the CFL

What the **** does Tyson Jackson have to do with anything?

And if it weren't for Dorsey, we probably would have taken the consensus #1 in Luke Joeckel

Bad examples. Jackson was Pioli and Fisher was in a draft that many in the NFL believe was one of the worst overall drafts ever. Look at the top 15 players drafted in the 2013. It was a dumpster fire.

While we might disagree on why he was fired, it could be a combination of everything. Ultimately I think we both agree that it was ****ing stupid either way

Let's also remember Mahomes is yet to sign. Dorsey was a bad contract guy.

Who holds in the playoffs.

Fisher is average.

KK is on and according to his "sources" it was culmination of things and for the last year or so Clark wasn't sure Dorsey was a good GM. He thought he was a great personnel guy but not an executive\GM type.

Also Reid and Donovan didn't object when they were told\asked.

Donovan is a snake.

By God, Fisher should be a top ten player in the NFL . Not a top ten LT.

That is absurd. Even if good drafts, the #1 pick in the draft is often not a top ten player in the NFL. Go back and look at them. Should he be better? Yes. Could they have picked a better player? Hindsight 20/20, yes. Did the miss really badly given the quality of the 2013 draft? No.

Fake News-

Since 2010 the last 7 drafts, Oakland's only had five 1st rd picks and six 2nd rd picks

The Chiefs have had seven 1st rd picks and seven 2nd rd picks

Since 2010 the Raiders had 2 picks in the top 5

And the Chiefs did as well

Chiefs have had more 1st rd and 2nd rd picks than Oakland since 2010

Wut?, Wut? Whatcha got?

Mellinger wrote the same thing. So maybe, Reid actually didn't force Dorsey out. He certainly didn't go to bat for him though.

Fisher is basically as good as you were going to get in that draft class.

Dorsey was far from perfect, but he certainly turned the team around quickly and did a good job finding talent.

Injuries/health seem to be the biggest thing that plagued him - Berry, Houston, Maclin.

Brett Veach was a scout in Philly for the Southeast region. He banged on the table for Fletcher Cox.
Andy assigned him to look WR's in 2008. Eagles drafted DeSean Jackson that year.

I wouldn't sleep on Veach. He seems to be pretty good at player evaluation.