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kcpasco 10-04-2014 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10981010)
I wish every ownership group was as committed.

TV contracts have nothing to do with it.

bsroyals54 10-04-2014 11:10 PM

240m vs 90m good for the Dodgers, mad skills

O.city 10-04-2014 11:11 PM

Eh, would have been great to have taken 2 out there, but realistically, to come out of there 1-1 is fine.

kcxiv 10-04-2014 11:11 PM

THey do the gatorade thing all the time whenver someone comes up big. It happens alot. Its usually random player and Alanna Rizzo that gets dumped on lol

BigRedChief 10-04-2014 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10981010)
I wish every ownership group was as committed.

How does that make everyone better? Now, everyone is even steven but everyone has $226 million payrolls.

BigRedChief 10-04-2014 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10981021)
Eh, would have been great to have taken 2 out there, but realistically, to come out of there 1-1 is fine.

That was what we had to do. Take away the home field advantage. Now we have to win at home and we never go back to LA.

LA's middle relief we can get some wins on. Get past their starters and before Jenson. Good template for us to use.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2014 11:17 PM

I could care less if the Dodgers had a two billion dollar payroll. You have to use the resources at your disposal. The objectionable part about the Dodgers are assholes like Adrian Gonzalez who invent controversy out of nothing, and Puig trying to start shit tonight after a ball was a foot from his head.

They're like the Brewers in that regard: a team with too many douchebags on it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2014 11:21 PM

Pest and Fruit, good game tonight. Hopefully we can lay waste to Korea Town on Monday.

BigRedChief 10-04-2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10981034)
I could care less if the Dodgers had a two billion dollar payroll. You have to use the resources at your disposal. The objectionable part about the Dodgers are assholes like Adrian Gonzalez who invent controversy out of nothing, and Puig trying to start shit tonight after a ball was a foot from his head.

They're like the Brewers in that regard: a team with too many douchebags on it.

I'd like to see a NFL salary cap but thats never going to happen in baseball.

I don't like not sharing the $2 BILLION cable TV contracts. It will keep widening the gap. But, I'm not up in arms about the payrolls of the big city teams. I've already seen my team win 4 World Series Championships in my lifetime, even got to see one won live with my son. I got no right to bitch. On the karma fan scale, I've got my share of the good times.

kcxiv 10-04-2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10981041)
Pest and Fruit, good game tonight. Hopefully we can lay waste to Korea Town on Monday.

Yeah, this series been nuts so far. Too much scoring and barely any. lol

I think Ryu is going to come up big. Plus Dodgers had the best road record like i said earlier in the night!.

NOw its time to get into Chiefs mode!

BigRedChief 10-04-2014 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10981051)
Yeah, this series been nuts so far. Too much scoring and barely any. lol

I think Ryu is going to come up big. Plus Dodgers had the best road record like i said earlier in the night!.

NOw its time to get into Chiefs mode!

Congrats to you and Pest on the well deserved win.:clap:

Mr. Flopnuts 10-04-2014 11:29 PM

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kcxiv 10-04-2014 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 10981056)
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haha, thats hilarous.

BigRedChief 10-05-2014 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10980922)
He was never that pitcher. He's Mujica v. 2014.

From Bernies column

Question: with Neshek now in a state of diminishing returns, shouldn't the eighth inning become Carlos Martinez time?


In his last four games, Neshek is 0-2 with a 10.38 ERA. On Aug. 13, his season ERA glistened at 0.72. But since that point, Neshek has worked 19 games, pitched 18.2 innings, and has a 5.30 ERA. That stretch includes 1.45 walks/hits per inning.


Neshek's submarine-style pitches aren't slicing. They're coming in as big as a loaf of bread. This is clearly not the same pitcher; Neshek's highest workload since 2007 has seemingly caught up to him.


Manager Mike Matheny doesn't sound ready to transfer eighth-inning responsibility to Martinez – even though the fresh, power-armed Martinez has a 1.15 ERA and a strikeout rate just under 10 per nine innings over his last 15 games.

“He's going to be right back in there,” Matheny said of Neshek. “We'll throw him right back in that tough spot and know that he's going to make good pitches for us.”

:banghead:

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-05-2014 09:47 AM

He doesn't get it. Neshek's not having a rough month because a lot of duck snorts are falling in; he's throwing batting practice. That pitch to Kemp was on a tee, as was everything he threw in Arizona.

FWIW, this is where an argument with someone over-committed to sabermetrics can go badly off the rails. This isn't really "regression", but him showing his ass as a marginal pitcher.

kcpasco 10-05-2014 09:52 AM

You might be right about Martinez being the only good option right now. But Neshek needs to figure it out because we do need him. You can't just keep running Martinez out there every game for 2 or 3 innings until his arm falls off.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-05-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10981453)
You might be right about Martinez being the only good option right now. But Neshek needs to figure it out because we do need him. You can't just keep running Martinez out there every game for 2 or 3 innings until his arm falls off.

It's the postseason. Today is an off day. They also have Wacha down there. Matheny had no issues with using Gonzales for two days in a row. I don't see why you'd go to Neshek first there. IMO, he should be the fourth or fifth option in that pen right now. He and Choate are really in case of emergency guys.

kcpasco 10-05-2014 10:17 AM

Ya I completely forgot about Wacha being in the bullpen. Bringing a starter in as relief can sometimes be a gamble since it takes them a few innings to get settled in but with Neshek struggling he was a better option.

BigRedChief 10-05-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10981490)
Ya I completely forgot about Wacha being in the bullpen. Bringing a starter in as relief can sometimes be a gamble since it takes them a few innings to get settled in but with Neshek struggling he was a better option.

Of lackey gets in trouble, you bring in Wacha. You tell Wacha to warm up as close as he can to a normal start.

BigRedChief 10-05-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10981471)
It's the postseason. Today is an off day. They also have Wacha down there. Matheny had no issues with using Gonzales for two days in a row. I don't see why you'd go to Neshek first there. IMO, he should be the fourth or fifth option in that pen right now. He and Choate are really in case of emergency guys.

we are in a best of 3 playoff. Win or go home. It's not the time to get someone back on track. To stand behind your guy even if it means you lose and go home. That's just insane.

kcpasco 10-05-2014 11:34 AM

Regarding the Wong miscue, that trick has been around forever. The umpires eyes are gonna be focused on the glove and not the ball. It's a damn fine slight of hand trick until replay went and ruined it.

George Liquor 10-05-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10981650)
Regarding the Wong miscue, that trick has been around forever. The umpires eyes are gonna be focused on the glove and not the ball. It's a damn fine slight of hand trick until replay went and ruined it.

I've seen it work many times. Almost worked last night.

luv 10-06-2014 08:01 AM

Okay, boys. Let's take care of those Dodgers while we're at home.

lcarus 10-06-2014 08:03 AM

I don't know about you Cards fans, but I think another Cardinals vs Royals World Series would be cool as hell.

Marcellus 10-06-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 10988160)
I don't know about you Cards fans, but I think another Cardinals vs Royals World Series would be cool as hell.

Most Cards fans would love it. This place would be unbearable though.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10988241)
Most Cards fans would love it. This place would be unbearable though.

I would enjoy it if the Royals fans on here would tone it down some. I'm being supportive and cheering them on and some still give me shit.

I think we would beat them. Yadi takes away most of their running game being the main difference that our team could do that maybe the Angels/A's couldn't do.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10988354)
I would enjoy it if the Royals fans on here would tone it down some. I'm being supportive and cheering them on and some still give me shit.

I think we would beat them. Yadi takes away most of their running game being the main difference that our team could do that maybe the Angels/A's couldn't do.

You and I have always gotten along and enjoy each other's company, and I hope what I'm about to say doesn't change that.

Royals fans don't need to tone it down. You do.

Paraphrasing, but comments like "Pujols in a Cardinals uniform doesn't miss that pitch twice" and "you have a chance to be great if you do things the way we do them" isn't supportive. It's throwing gas on a fire.

Comments like those come across terribly, and perpetuate this "Cardinals Fan" bullshit that's been dragging this place down for the 9 years I've been here. Personally, I couldn't be happier for these guys, but it's easier to believe the BFIB bullshit when one of us is mentioning the Cardinals in their game threads.

So, a suggestion: In Royals threads, stick to the Royals. Talk Redbirds in this thread. Let them have their moment, as they deserve it without hearing about the cross-state team.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10988837)
You and I have always gotten along and enjoy each other's company, and I hope what I'm about to say doesn't change that.

Royals fans don't need to tone it down. You do.

Paraphrasing, but comments like "Pujols in a Cardinals uniform doesn't miss that pitch twice" and "you have a chance to be great if you do things the way we do them" isn't supportive. It's throwing gas on a fire.

Comments like those come across terribly, and perpetuate this "Cardinals Fan" bullshit that's been dragging this place down for the 9 years I've been here. Personally, I couldn't be happier for these guys, but it's easier to believe the BFIB bullshit when one of us is mentioning the Cardinals in their game threads.

So, a suggestion: In Royals threads, stick to the Royals. Talk Redbirds in this thread. Let them have their moment, as they deserve it without hearing about the cross-state team.

okay, good points.:thumb:

I am truly happy for those guys. They are good fans that deserve to see a winner and playoff victories.

Marcellus 10-06-2014 01:39 PM

In all honesty I think the Royals have a better shot at getting to the WS than the Cards do.

We can beat LA if the past is any indicator, but the Giants seem to own us and it looks like they are going to beat the Nationals.

If there were to be an I70 WS I would almost have to go to a game in both stadiums.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10988935)
In all honesty I think the Royals have a better shot at getting to the WS than the Cards do.

We can beat LA if the past is any indicator, but the Giants seem to own us and it looks like they are going to beat the Nationals.

If there were to be an I70 WS I would almost have to go to a game in both stadiums.

I agree. the Royals are the "hottest" team. The WS winner is usually the "hottest" team. We had a nice comebacks in game 1 and 2 but I still wouldn't consider us the "hottest".

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10988935)
In all honesty I think the Royals have a better shot at getting to the WS than the Cards do.

We can beat LA if the past is any indicator, but the Giants seem to own us and it looks like they are going to beat the Nationals.

If there were to be an I70 WS I would almost have to go to a game in both stadiums.

Of course they do. They only have to win four more games. The Cardinals have to win six, and will have to beat Clayton Kershaw and/or Donald Greinke in one of the next three to do so.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 04:17 PM

Should be a good game the Dodgers were 49-32 on the road this year. This team for some reason is a road team.

3 hours to go!

kcxiv 10-06-2014 04:20 PM

Dodgers also just announced Kershaw for game 4 and Greinke for game 5 if it goes to a 5.

The Franchise 10-06-2014 04:21 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;Game four, Kershaw. Game five, Greinke.&quot; - Don Mattingly</p>&mdash; Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dodgers/status/519250415658217472">October 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The Franchise 10-06-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10989386)
Dodgers also just announced Kershaw for game 4 and Greinke for game 5 if it goes to a 5.

Damnt!

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10989246)
Of course they do. They only have to win four more games. The Cardinals have to win six, and will have to beat Clayton Kershaw and/or Donald Greinke in one of the next three to do so.

We really have to win tonight. It's just too big of a hill to climb to beat Kershaw tomorrow, and that will make 4 Times in a row to beat Kershaw. Then Grienke in la on Friday. That is just too much to expect.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10989388)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;Game four, Kershaw. Game five, Greinke.&quot; - Don Mattingly</p>&mdash; Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dodgers/status/519250415658217472">October 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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That's to be expected. It would be malpractice otherwise. He has a past success on 4 days rest.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989395)
We really have to win tonight. It's just too big of a hill to climb to beat Kershaw tomorrow, and that will make 4 Times in a row to beat Kershaw. Then Grienke in la on Friday. That is just too much to expect.

Tonight is the swing game. Win it, and the Cards are prohibitive favorites. Lose, and they are damned near done.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10989535)
Tonight is the swing game. Win it, and the Cards are prohibitive favorites. Lose, and they are damned near done.

Yep, same place LA was on Sunday. If they lost both Kershaw and Grienke games at home, they probably don't recover.

These Cardinal teams since 2011 have come back in postseason games so many times, I've lost count. But being forced to beat Kershaw and Grienke in consecutive games...to have a realistic chance, we have to avoid that scenario and must win the game tonight.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:19 PM

That was a pretty ballsy half-inning from Lackey. He was getting squeezed badly and came through, despite the increasingly bothersome horseshit defense from Yadi.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10989835)
That was a pretty ballsy half-inning from Lackey. He was getting squeezed badly and came through, despite the increasingly bothersome horseshit defense from Yadi.

Yep, thats exactly why we got him. For whatever reason, the dude knows how to pitch in the playoffs.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:24 PM

That's horseshit. That same pitch was a strike when Lackey threw it. Same spot exactly.

Holy shit. This zone. :facepalm:

Marcellus 10-06-2014 07:24 PM

How the **** was that a strike?

Marcellus 10-06-2014 07:25 PM

Then thats a ball. Hitters are going to have no idea.

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2014 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10989535)
Tonight is the swing game. Win it, and the Cards are prohibitive favorites. Lose, and they are damned near done.

In a 5 game series, tied at 1-1, the winner of Game 3 wins the series 75% of the time.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10989845)
How the **** was that a strike?

It looked like it crossed right over the chalk line of the batters box.

Marcellus 10-06-2014 07:27 PM

Flip a coin on each call to figure out where this jackhole is calling his strike zone.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:27 PM

Looks like a makeup call

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2014 07:28 PM

These umpires in the postseason have had some strange strike zones.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10989856)
Flip a coin on each call to figure out where this jackhole is calling his strike zone.

He'd better give that outside pitch to Lackey too.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:29 PM

This is terrible:

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...ype=3&s_type=7

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10989863)
These umpires in the postseason have had some strange strike zones.

Yah, the Royals got jammed several times on bad calls. That may be the worst 1/2 inning of them all. It was all over the place.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:31 PM

This ump sucks, his strike zone is all over the place.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:32 PM

Piss ****.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989869)
He'd better give that outside pitch to Lackey too.

He did, did you not see the Gonzalez atbat?

ChiefsCountry 10-06-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989872)
Yah, the Royals got jammed several times on bad calls. That may be the worst 1/2 inning of them all. It was all over the place.

Ryu was all over the place. That last pitch to Holliday looked more like a strike than the one before which was called a strike.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10989877)
He did, did you not see the Gonzalez atbat?

Not true. Look at the strike zone map.

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...ype=2&s_type=7

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10989877)
He did, did you not see the Gonzalez atbat?

I'd rather just call the strike zone normal and let the players decide the games. Everyone hates the umpires inserting themselves into a game.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:35 PM

The first strike on Adrian looked way out there. I think we can all agree, this ump sucks calling strikes n balls though.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:38 PM

see that pitch on the inside looked way way inside

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:40 PM

At least we are getting his pitch count up.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:42 PM

Every ****ing year, it's always some two-bit slapdick mother****er that lights us up in the postseason. Craig Counsell, Yuni Betancourt, Jerry Hairston, The Artist Formerly Known as Kenny Lofton, and now AJ Ellis.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:43 PM

Lackey hitting his spots early. He has no where near the talent we saw in the other two games starting pitchers. But he battles, pitches with passion, bears down when he needs to focus. Doesn't get flustered.

Dodgers making him throw too many pitches in the first two innings.

Anyone hear if Wacha is coming in if Lackey is pulled in the 5th or 6th inning?

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989907)
Lackey hitting his spots early. He has no where near the talent we saw in the other two games starting pitchers. But he battles, pitches with passion, bears down when he needs to focus. Doesn't get flustered.

Dodgers making him throw too many pitches in the first two innings.

Anyone hear if Wacha is coming in if Lackey is pulled in the 5th or 6th inning?

I don't think anyone really knows that. My hunch is that Matheny would save Wacha to piggyback with Shelby, since he is more prone to bouts of wildness, and if he uses Wacha in Game 4, he can use him in Game 5, due to the day off, whereas if he used him tonight, he probably won't use him for Game 4.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:47 PM

Fun fact: I read War and Peace in the interim between the first pitch to Yadi and Dale Scott calling it a strike.

Just make the ****ing call, Drebin.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2014 07:49 PM

Ryu hung that and Yadi missed it. Good thing it still dropped in, but that pitch was fit to be raped.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:51 PM

the camera has to be at a weird angle, because that shit was close to a strike.

kcpasco 10-06-2014 07:53 PM

Jay just completely changed the inning

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:54 PM

If a ball bounces in front of the plate there is no excuse for a MLB batter to be swinging at the pitch.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:55 PM

Same shit by each team. Damn pitcher up with RBI opportunity.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10989931)
Jay just completely changed the inning

Yep bases loaded no outs with wong batting.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 07:57 PM

both pitches pitch counts getting up there! lol this game already

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10989947)
both pitches pitch counts getting up there! lol this game already

Has Haren came in as a relief pitcher this year?

kcxiv 10-06-2014 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989949)
Has Haren came in as a relief pitcher this year?

hmm not sure, i dont think he has, most of our starting pitchers been hurt at some point during the year.

kcxiv 10-06-2014 08:01 PM

wtf at that pitch lol

kcpasco 10-06-2014 08:02 PM

Dodgers 2-6 are just stacked.

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10989956)
Dodgers 2-6 are just stacked.

Wonder what the payroll is for those players? Total contract value?

BigRedChief 10-06-2014 08:06 PM

The Cardinals have officially got into Puig's head.

chefsos 10-06-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989969)
The Cardinals have officially got into Puig's head.

Probably a scary place to be

kcpasco 10-06-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10989969)
The Cardinals have officially got into Puig's head.

No offense to Dodger fans in here but he doesn't exactly come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.


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