This is stupid.

Well yeah.

Reem has ascended and fought those guys when he was up and coming.

I think a match between he and Fedor would be pretty epic right now.

not an overeem fan, he HAS lost to most of the top fighters he's fought.


funny how some (not you) bash fedor for not coming to the ufc but dont say a word about overeem

How, it's all true.

I've been wanting him to come to the UFC for a while. I think it's odd that both he and Fedor don't want to fight in UFC to be honest.

Still a big Fedor fan, but he's 35 now and I don't want him to leave a ? on his legacy by some saying he dodged UFC. Reem is still young enough.

He (Reem) makes too much fighting in Japan to sign exclusively with the UFC. Also, his piss would be so hot, it would melt the cup.

got a link to that? i know he got 400K for winning the K1 tourn. but other than that how much could he be making more than a top ufc guy.


and about the piss..... its hard for me to get behind a guy like that.

i am a penn fan, fedor fan, i like guys that look like anyone you would see walking down the street

IMO two words explain it: dana white

Fedor and Overeem don't need to come to the UFC's heavyweight division right now because Strikeforce has the most stacked HW division right now.

And that was stupid listing his losses and using them against him now because he is clearly not the same fighter. Those were at LHW. He has a frame of a HW and finally gained to where he needs to be. He has absolutely destroyed everybody whos been put in front of him, Brett was still considered top 10. Todd Duffee, formerly a UFC hw prospect who was let go after a ONE loss. absolutely mauled him. KNOCKED OUT ****ING Iron head Fujita which is really impressive. Mark hunt and others, oh not to mention he is a multiple K-1 world champion, he is the best striker in the entire world and he is an ADCC european champion. Thats how it is stupid.

all thanks to roids.

sorry but thats just the way it is.

I do know that FEG is having problems paying all their fighters and is slowly collapsing like a flan in a cupboard. Which is the UFC's best chance to steal him away. He loves working in Japan, because he is a Bob Sapp-like personality on TV there.

Signing with the UFC would mean 2-4 fights a year at possibly CroCop numbers (200-300K), maybe less to start out.

No it's not Jason.

As noted, anabolics make you stronger and recover from injuries faster, but they have nothing to do with making you a great fighter. Duffee is on too, but that guy couldn't put away a fat tub of lard in his last UFC fight. A tomato can of a fighter. Lesnar is on, and got beat the hell up by Cain. Lesnar is a pussy of a fighter that can't even take a punch. His GH or roids cant help him be a better stand up fighter. Cain picked his ass apart.

Reem may be on, but really, who cares? Lots of guys are. Fedor isn't, and he's the baddest man alive.

In the end, styles still make fights and roids or not, if a guy is a bad match for you you're going to get your ass whipped.

Where is your proof?

Lets do some research on Overeem and a UFC HW who has gained outrageous muscle in about the same amount of time as Overeem, and tested clean.

Frank Mir

UFC 100 Weigh-in Results: July 11th, 2009
Brock Lesnar (265) vs. Frank Mir (245)

UFC 107 Weigh-in Results: December 12th, 2009
Frank Mir (264.5) vs. Cheick Kongo (239)

21.5lbs gained in 5 months for Frank Mir.

Lets compare that to...

Strikeforce - November 17th, 2007
Main Card
Paul Buentello (250) vs. Alistair Overeem (224)

Dream 6 - September 23rd, 2008
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (225.9) vs. Alistair Overeem (241.8 )

DREAM 12 - October 25th, 2009
James Thompson (126kg / 277.8 lbs)
vs. Alistair Overeem (115kg / 253.5 lbs)

Between the first two weigh ins, 11 months, Overeem gained 17.8lbs.
Between the second and third weigh ins, 11 months, Overeem gained 11.2lbs
In total gaining 29lbs in a little under two years.

As shown here, Frank Mir put on 74% of that weight that took Alistair Overeem 22 months to put on, in 22% of the time.

So, who is the steroid abuser, again?

Wipe your chin, and I can't believe you actually put Todd Duffee and Mark Hunt as a reason we should all be behind Overeem as a top HW

Well I don't think that Duffee and Hunt are something great to brag about, I think the UFC's HW has been exposed a little.

Lesnar is a bitch and can't take a punch. Has no stand up.

Carwin has no gas.

Mir is a has been.

You got JDS and Cain in there.

If you added Fedor and Reem in there, then you'd have something. But I personally think that Reem would be fine standing with either Cain or JDS.

look at him. not saying mir didnt use either.

I suppose it's all speculation until someone switches alliances but we can't deny that Overeem is a fabulous kickboxer, I just haven't seen him beat a real top tier MMA heavyweight. When he does I'll gladly say so.
What it boils down to for me is I don't care if he eats babies for strength and kills nuns for fun. He's a fighter ffs, he has to have a certain amount of hunger to fight the best in the world to be considered the best in the world and he hasn't done that at heavyweight.

can't completely argue with this. However I appreciated his work in winning K-1.

It would be pretty awesome to see him match up against Cain, JDS, Fedor, Carwin (if he ever fights again), and even Lesnar (to see him get his face beat in again).

I think he would absolutely man handle Lesnar and probably Carwin. It will take a guy who's athletic and fast to even close the gap on him. I would really like to see him and Fedor go at it, but like I said if he beats anyone on your list I will give it up to him.

i feel the same

I concur with Jason.

He better wait until round 2 before thinking about man handling Carwin.

I'm so psyched for tomorrow. Woooooooo!

I'm pretty pumped too.

me too.... hopefully it goes as planned

Ironically that is my first name.

I concur with Jasons.....

It is going to be a good year for Heavyweights, anyone with an upset prediction?

Anyone want to sit ringside for UFC 129?
http://www.stubhub.com/ultimate-figh...t_id=281414417

$40 grand a ticket for ringside seats? **** that even if i had that kinda $$$ to blow

I think it says $40K.

Not even if that seat were on the ring girls thumb.

Wow what a BS ending.

You don't let a fight go on that long then call it like that.

I also think that Fedor is slipping just a little bit, and that if Reem wins this thing he's the guy to beat now.

I hope that Reem gets a shot at Silva and cripples him.

I agree with stopping if a fighter can't see, but they did let THIS continue
into the third

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God damn.
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Silva is a douche. Now I got Reem to pull for from here on out and Brett Rogers.

Fedor saying he might retire. Hopefully it's just post loss talk.

I really think that Fedor needs to cut to 205. He's just such a small HW now. It's never hurt him before, but when some of your skills start slipping you need every edge you can.

This is the glaring weakness in the HW divisions.
40 and 50 lbs weight differences at fight time is a little much in my opinion.

I agree. There really should be a weight class between 205 and 265. Like a LHW, HW, then SHW.

206-240 would be HW and anything over 240 would be SHW.

The HW pool is too thin in the middle to divide it up.

You think it's fair to have a guy that is 210 fighting a guy that is 265?

I am sick right now

You are my Hero Fedor

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No one with a lick of sense is fighting at the UFC level weighing 210 instead of cutting 5 lbs. Get serious.

Its not fair on a level playing field, skill-wise, but they've tried Super-Heavyweights in other companies. It doesn't work.

Although, you could give Brock a division all to himself and a healthy supply of average fighters. Maybe you should tweet Dana.

:crybaby:

I can't wait to show my kids my Fedor career DVD set

It felt so terrible watching him get hammer-fisted by that ****ing Neanderthal and not being able to do anything because the dude is just simply too big. ****ing stupid, man. **** it.

So far from the Fedor fights i have seen, all he does is try t o swing wildly and hope his amazing power lands flush. I havent seen all his fights, maybe about 4-5 of them. I dont see whats so amazing about this dude other then his amazing haymaker power. He got ****ing manhandled. Everyone predicted the same thing with Brock and Cain, but Cain actually know how to do other things besides throw a punch.


I know Brock isnt the best, but he's still a behemoth of a man and can smother you just like this other cat did to Fedor. I just didnt see any ground game at all for Fedor. ONce he was down he was pretty much stuck there.

He got his ****ing ass beat.

Brock would eat Fedor.

Fedor is aged and slipping a bit. Buy guys are so much bigger, faster, stronger and better then they were when Fedor dominated the HW ranks in Pride for so many years, especially in the HW division. Those guys willl always be legends, but MMA is such a young sport the evolving of the fighters is going to happend quite a bit over the next few decades. MMA in the 90's was basically the peach tree basket time period of the NBA.

In the future I'm not sure guys like GSP and Anderson Silva are all that special and if not what an exciting sport it's going to be.

You are a ****ing moron and always have been.

Brock would cower like the little pussy bundle of sticks bitch that he is once he got hit. Just like he did against Cain and Carwin.

God damn you're a ****ing moron.

Fedor is also 34 and has fought wars. Everyone starts to slip at some point and more than anything he is declining.

Second, the guy that just beat Fedor is a BJJ black belt. Not a wrestler. Fedor's two losses have come against BJJ guys, not wrestlers.

Brock Lesnar is a joke. He guy is a pussy that can't take a hit and runs like a bitch, literally, when he gets hit. Fedor would stlil own his ass easily. The guy that just beat Fedor is a top notch ground game guy. He wasn't simply laying on Fedor if you actually understand what you are watching.

With the size of Silva's melon, due to that disease, I'm not sure that guy can be put to sleep either. That's almost not fair.

I gave you a hard time because I thought you just had a hate for Lesnar. After seeing his last fight he was blowing air in the first round. You were right he was way overrated~

No kidding! Fedor hit him with shots that have put a lot of guys to sleep and just, nothing.

I think the Reem will do it though if he gets past WErdum.


I had no reason to hate on Brock other than the fact that people were jumping up and down on his dick when the guy had beaten tomato cans and done nothing but lay on top of them to do it. You could see that his stand up was atrocious and that his whole game plan was just built around bullying. When his shoot was stuffed, as it was by Carwin and Cain, he literally had nothing to go back to. As 1 dimensional of a fighter as a guy could be. Shoulda been easy for people with a trained fighting eye to spot.

But o wait, I'm the "fake" MMA guy so I know nothing. (that's not at you btw).

I am still new to MMA and I have yet to see any MMA fighter with great stand up. I wrestled and boxed and did some kick boxing. It was a very raw version of what these guys are doing now. Lesnar seemed very quick for a guy his size and I thought he might get away with bulldoging until his stand up developed. It has become clear I missed my judgement on him~

Brock defended himself against Carwin...came back...and won. We've all seen fighters get badly beaten a LOT worse than what Carwin did to Lesnar in the first rd of UFC116.

Not saying he won't lose to Cain again....Cain is a great fighter....Brock should beat Dos Santos though if he can get it to the ground.

But Fedor sucks now....thats obvious. The fighters are just simply bigger, stronger, more athletic and just overall better now.

Well great stand up in MMA might look different than what you think it might. Because a stand up guy still has to be aware of the shoot, so he can't just stand straight up and bang. Second, guys are generally a combination of boxing and kickboxing so they sort of develop their own style of stand up with those disciplines.

But there are tons of guys with great stand up so maybe you need to just watch more. Rampage, Shogun, A. Silva, etc. It's a shame that Arlovski just can't take a punch anymore because in his prime his hands were unreal. Fun to watch because for a 245 pound guy he was super fast with his strikes and very technically proficient.

Poor Andrei. Dude has to retire. 4 losses and all with him getting his ass beat.

I understand it is different and maybe I am used to watching boxers who only defend against fists. I am amazed there are not people killed in MMA. They put pillows on boxers hands for a reason. Men still get killed from time to time~

I think Brock struggles quite a big with JDS. He presents all sorts of problems for a guy like Brock. Great stand up and great take down defense. I actually would pick JDS right now over any HW out there.

Lesnar beat a sandgbag in Carwin who punched himself out. That's it. He didn't do anything.

And so what you're saying is, the only chance Brock has against anyone is to get them to the ground.

Thanks for backing up what I said about him all along. He's a pussy that can't take a punch and just relies on laying on guys to win. In other words, he kind of sucks as an MMA fighter. Yeah, I already knew that.

Dos Santos will just look at tape of Cain and Carwin and take the same route. Seeing how Brock can't stand with anyone, as soon as JDS lands that uppercut, this one will be over.

Over anyone?

Nah. But I do think he beats up Lesnar. He's very very quick on his feet and all he needs to do is the same thing Cain and Carwin did, and stuff his shoot. The only thing I think there is, Cain and Carwin were both long time wrestlers and are adapt at dealing with that, where JDS won't be. But if he keeps it standing, it won't get out of the first because he'll pummel Lesnar.

Actually, those pillows are a big reason why people die. If you put the small gloves on boxers you'd have less injury because guys go down faster. But with the extra padding guys take blow after blow after blow. It's the opposite of what you think. There is a cumulative effect that goes on with that.

A guy takes a shot to the chin in MMA, he's out. He takes one in boxing lots of times he's ok. MMA is never going to have the history of death and brain damage boxing does because it's over quick and guys don't take a pounding to their brain for 12-15 rounds year after year.

Yep, I'm a huge fan of the guy so I'm maybe a little biased, but I would pick over Cain and Carwin as well. JDS has good, but not great size at 240, but seems to be a step quicker then most HW's so I think he has no trouble avoiding take downs from anyone. I think he does to most HW's what Edgar was able to do to Penn.

I honestly think that there is no such thing as a HW with real great cardio at 265+ like Carwin and Lesnar. Lesnar gassed in the first round against Cain, and of course CArwin gassed beating Brock's head in.

You look at guys like Cain and JDS and they can GO. Good gas tanks and that's a BIG part of fighting at an elite level. I think this thing where we were going to have a bunch of 280 monsters running around isn't going to happen. IT takes too much oxygen to power that much muscle mass, so guys will never have big gas tanks. I think 240 and maybe 250 for some guys will be it. Reem is closer to 260, but he's also 6'5". If he were 6'1" or 6'2" you can say he'd be the 240ish that Cain and JDS are, if you get what I'm saying.

240 is plenty big. With a guy like Lesnar JDS just has to stuff his shoot and the fight is over.

Sadly Fedor is where Chuck Liddell was a year ago...diminished skills, the aura is gone, and simply no one is afraid of him anymore.

Hopefully he just retires now instead of trying to keep some false hope like Chuck did.

That makes sense~

If anyone watched that fight and thinks that all fedor does or every did is throw haymakers they don't know what they are seeing.

He escaped submissions that would have put most away in both of his last two fights, that alone should show the skills that he had.

He's lost a couple of steps but has been through WARS. All the former pride guys have.

Some here just don't know what they missed on that front.
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And all correct.
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All in all disappointment aside it was a pretty good night of fights.
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Fedor's survival of that second round is ****ing unreal. Anyone who is saying shit like Lesnar would eat Fedor or that he sucks is a ****ing moron. There isn't a single other fighter I know of that could have even made it out of that round.

I honestly believe that had it gone to the 3rd he would have won it. That's classic Fedor.

And yeah Jason the fights were awesome top to bottom despite an anticlimatic ending.

I'm pulling for the Reem from here on out.

How Fedor got out of that arm triangle I still don't know...thought for sure that was the end. Crazy.

Strikeforce better hope Werdum doesn't upset Overeem...if that happens...ruh roh.

Silva was ****ing gased after the longest submission attempt ever. If Fedor's eye wasn't completely shut, I also think Fedor would have taken him out in the 3rd. I have no idea how Fedor remained conscious, his head was completely ****ing purple. Dude is just unbelievable. I can't believe he escaped the knee bar in the end and actually tried to submit Silva, lol. Incredible.

CoMochief is a moron

Its alright that he lost.

Very rarely, although there are exceptions, do you see a man the age of Fedor competing well at the highest level of a sport as physical as MMA. Kobe can barely keep up; and that is just Basketball. There are not many 32 year old running backs in the NFL. Its just life.

Fedor is a small and not particularly strong HW who always relied on his speed as a huge advantage. He's been slowing down for a while now, so at this point he's lost the biggest advantage he had over his opponents. He is at the age where this happens to athletes. I don't think the fact that he is human should diminish his legacy.

He is still the GOAT of MMA and if you don't agree then you haven't been watching MMA for very long.

http://dreamfighters.com/wp-content/...4125440_n1.jpg

You can see the look in Barnett's face.

Fedor is all class. Win or lose. He never gave in to the money and he was never bought out as if he were some kind of whore like many others have been. Not many men would have had the guts to announce their retirement right after the fight like that either. You have to respect him.

You don't see other fighters who go out on their shields in other combat sports discredited and admonished nearly as much. Look at Boxing, a sport where their legends are revered, looked upon fondly for being the best of their era and fighters who were seminal to their sport. You don't have boxing fans saying Mike Tyson though waning at the end of his career and losing fights he would have won in his prime, was never was a top pound-for-pound boxer for a long, long time or attempting to discredit his career at every turn, kicking him when he is down. How about K1 where Peter Aerts is looked upon fondly by so many and regardless of a declining skill-set is still congratulated for his efforts at the point of his career. This even applies more so in team sports where players like Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Hank Aaron, Nolan Ryan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and countless others are adored by the followers of their sport and accepted as the greatest players of their professional eras.

Honestly, I don't get the majority of you guys. You say you're fans, but you're only passionate about detracting from the positive, layering a bevy of incendiary disdain on anything you don't agree with instead of at least attempting to appreciate it and understand where the positivity is derived from. MMA fans are some of the worst fans that exist, of any sport. It's sad that it's to be expected around here.

All i seen was one guy get his ****ing ass beat to a supposedly tier 2 fighter and it wasnt close. Did one guy escape some submissions? yep, and it was nicely done, but that was the extent of it.

I admitted i havent seen many of Fedor's fights, but the fights i did see, ididnt see anything special. Fedor isnt the reason why i watch mma, or any reason at all really. OH well, everyones career comes to an end sooner or later.

You and CoMo are ****ing MMA mental midgets. I really wish people who just start watching MMA would never open their ****ing mouths.

The issue there Sho, is that MMA is still new for a lot of assholes who follow it. Like kcxiv and CoMo. They have no real concept of the history of it or the fighters of it. They watch it because of douche bags like Brock Lesnar or because it's becoming popular and they want to be "hip". Idiots like this will always exist and right now there will be more than usual because MMA is still a new sport in comparison to sports like baseball, football, basketball.

But the smart ones know how great and legendary that a guy like Fedor is and what he means to this sport and the true fans who follow it. I don't give two shits what morons from this board or sherdog or anywhere have to say about it really.