Donald didn't decline; he had no help at all. Every team just double/triple teamed him every game, or ran plays that forced him to stay at home and cover his responsibility.


CJ should get a new deal. Veach has known that this was coming for a long time. This is probably just about the exact numbers. It'll get done.

Pretty much.

I'm not sure why anyone would be angry at Jones or Veach. It is what it is. Jones did everything that was asked of him and earned his money. If he wants it he'll get it.

If Veach can't pay (not 100% convinced of that) he'll move Jones and get as much value as possible. He's done a lot with our draft picks so I'd expect a splash with an extra no 1.

I don't see any bad guy here...

At some point, you're paying to much for any given player, regardless of how talented they are.

I'm hopeful that a deal gets done, but Chris Jones playing in a contract year and then tagging and trading him doesn't seem like the worst option either.

Unless he sits out the entire season or something which would suck giant asshole.

I don't see any 30 year old at any position doing that...

Most likely not.

We're pretty ****ed at DT if he isn't here though. We can spend next off-season working on DT. We need Jones for this year though.

Perhaps this comes down to that final year with a bunch of non-guaranteed money to artificially inflate the contract to the AAV Chris Jones wants. I think the Chiefs would do that just like they were going to do that with the contract they offered Orlando Brown Jr, but perhaps Chris Jones isn't willing to accept that. Perhaps he wants a "true" 30M AAV extension that isn't artificially inflated by the final year of the extension. I'd bet the Chiefs would do the former (with the last year artificially inflating that AAV to 30M even though Chris Jones wouldn't see the final year of that deal), but they won't do the latter. Such a deal would tie the Chiefs hands behind their backs in terms of having enough salary cap space to extend other players they want to extend and for flexibility for free agents in the future.

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Would you rather pay Jones and lose one or more of Creed, Tre, Sneed, Bolton? Or tag and trade CJ next year and keep the other 4?

I don't think you're keeping all 4 of those guys even if Jones is traded.

Creed and Bolton are the keepers. If they trade Jones I expect they would keep Sneed.

I just don’t see a scenario where a tag and trade works…first of all, you’d have to hope he doesn’t pull a Trent Williams this season. He’ll be 30 as well and still wanting a huge deal, I don’t see the market being any bigger for him at that time compared to now.

Yeah Creed and Bolton aren’t going anywhere. Those two will be 10-year Chiefs. Sometimes it’s just obvious.

Sneed is a badass, but Veach can replace DBs. That’s one position group that I just don’t worry about. Veach always seems to find good ones on the cheap.

Love Trey, but his positional value just isn’t that great. He’d be an interesting candidate for a trade at some point if you can’t sign him cheap. The initial investment was pretty much nothing, and we got a couple great years out of him already. Flipping could have a nice ROI.

If veach didn’t think he could get the extension, he probably should have shopped him for a possible tyreek deal. Do you take the tyreek deal over one year of jones? It is a tough spot but I would lean toward trading if can’t sign him. You can maybe sign Hopkins too if you trade him.

I think this has two possible outcomes:

1. Jones gets a new deal.

2. Jones plays out this year and the Chiefs let him walk, knowing they got something like 85% of his peak performance years.

I don't think they're going to tag him. That's just not the kind of team the Chiefs want to be with a veteran like Jones. He'll already be pissed about having to play out this year w/o a deal. They won't want to turn it into a super ugly situation that demotivates the rest of the players on the team. IE - pull a Carl Peterson.

As far as trade, with the deal he'll want I don't think teams will offer enough to make it worth it. I think they'll let him go like they did with Brown.

I think he misses the brutal part of camp and then signs. Who wants to be in camp right now anyway?

Oh crap that would be a total disaster by Veach and by far be his biggest mistake. You either resign him or get what you can in a trade. Can not under no circumstance let him walk with nothing to show for it.

How many good years does Jones have left, including this year? 2-3? So you get one of those great years, you miss 1-2 really good years, and you don't have to pay for the decline years like the Rams are doing now with Donald. Or how the Chiefs did with Houston and Berry.

As far as trading him, how much is a peak year of Jones worth to the Chiefs? A 4th rounder? No way. A 1st rounder? Probably. But I don't think any team is going to offer a first rounder for Jones, knowing they also are going to have to give him a massive contract that will probably include paying for decline/injury years. So now we get into the 2nd-3rd rounder murky territory.

With Jones the Chiefs are favorites to win the Super Bowl. W/o him I'm not so sure. I'd want a serious haul to give that up. Like maybe a real player that can at least somewhat fill the gaping void losing him would leave in our line. Start thinking about our interior D-line w/o Jones. It's not pretty.

I don't have an issue with the Chiefs running it one more time with Jones to try to get another SB, then rebuild the interior D-line next year. It's too late to do it this year.