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DJ's left nut 08-23-2023 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17069634)
It makes perfect sense if Veach plans to cut/trade Prince to get a little DL help if Jones really does sit out, which we probably won't know till AFTER cut day on the 29th.

If he plans to cut prince it will simply be Niang who's salary falls into the top 51.

There's nothing likely to be 'saved' when its all said and done. It's a shell game.

Red Dawg 08-23-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17069630)
100%.

This flip to "CJ sucks because he won't sign the deal," is pretty idiotic. Not saying Veach should pony up #30 million/year, but shitting on Chris after all he's done is the epitome of fair-weather fan imo.

Never feel sorry for rich people. CJ said I can lose game checks and pay over 1 mil in fines because he can afford it. That is being a douche and one of those rich assholes that can just throw away money people hate. **** him. He was made rich as hell 4 years ago and now has decided to not honor his deal.

He can walk.

DJ's left nut 08-23-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17069640)
I don't think anyone has gone that far.

Not yet.

But we're tip-toeing closer to it with "Hey, do we really want to pay for a guy with one playoff sack? He's only been great during contract years..."

I'm not going to question the guy's effort or his productivity here. He's been among the best defensive players this franchise has ever had and one of the very VERY few who can say that they were instrumental in a championship. Perhaps the ONLY great Chiefs defender who can say he has been instrumental in more than 1.

The guy's a no question, first year of eligibility, Ring of Honor player.

I'm not start backing away from what he's done here.

Megatron96 08-23-2023 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17069668)
Never feel sorry for rich people. CJ said I can lose game checks and pay over 1 mil in fines because he can afford it. That is being a douche and one of those rich assholes that can just throw away money people hate. **** him. .

He can walk.



Ta-da. Didn't even get to do a countdown . . .

TLO 08-23-2023 02:56 PM

Maybe we need to try a new approach.
How many posts to get him to report to the Chiefs?

Balto 08-23-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069664)
If he plans to cut prince it will simply be Niang who's salary falls into the top 51.

There's nothing likely to be 'saved' when its all said and done. It's a shell game.

Not if he waits till AFTER cuts and the 51 is set.

Balto 08-23-2023 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17069685)
Maybe we need to try a new approach.
How many posts to get him to report to the Chiefs?


HA I would love to see a new pole thats exactly the same as this one but allow people to vote again.

Balto 08-23-2023 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069669)
Not yet.

But we're tip-toeing closer to it with "Hey, do we really want to pay for a guy with one playoff sack? He's only been great during contract years..."

I'm not going to question the guy's effort or his productivity here. He's been among the best defensive players this franchise has ever had and one of the very VERY few who can say that they were instrumental in a championship. Perhaps the ONLY great Chiefs defender who can say he has been instrumental in more than 1.

The guy's a no question, first year of eligibility, Ring of Honor player.

I'm not start backing away from what he's done here.

HEY I think your forgetting Dan mother****ing Sorensen! HAHA

Yup I see your point.

RunKC 08-23-2023 03:35 PM

CP will be furious if we give Chris Jones $30 million APY and he's the Chris Jones of 2019-2022.

The price is just too high, and let's be honest here: Chris Jones hasn't stacked together consecutive dominant seasons like guys like Reggie White and Aaron Donald did with regularity.

It's just too much

kcgreene 08-23-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069669)
But we're tip-toeing closer to it with "Hey, do we really want to pay for a guy with one playoff sack? He's only been great during contract years..."

I don't think we're tiptoeing to that, I think people are just stating some facts. I personally don't care when those seasons were, just that he only had 2 of them. I do find it intriguing that they happened when they did, but he's still a great player in non contract years so I don't think it's lack of effort. We can't compare CJ95 to the most elite players like Aaron Donald because he only has 2 seasons of his career with double digit sack totals, while other guys are doing it consistently (and the positional advantage of him being on the interior is limited when 41% of his snaps are Over the Tackle or Outside of the Tackle, basically operating as an EDGE)

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069669)
He's been among the best defensive players this franchise has ever had and one of the very VERY few who can say that they were instrumental in a championship.

Define Best. Because in my opinion, if you lined up all of our defensive players ever, I can already think of a number of guys on top of my head I think are greater at their positions respectfully than CJ95 respectively (DT, Curley Culp, Emmitt Thomas, Bobby Bell, Buck Buchanan, Willie Lanier, Johny Robinson, Neil Smith, Deron Cherry, Albert Lewis). That's 10 without me looking at rosters, and I'm sure there are plenty I'm forgetting that upon seeing a name I would think were greater defensive players at their respective position.

In terms of winning a championship, I can't really put that on those greats, as we all know, there were many other issues than those players that led to no ring.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069669)
The guy's a no question, first year of eligibility, Ring of Honor player.

This isn't a thing. You're always eligible for the ring of honor once you're gone. They just tend to do one guy a year. He's a fan favorite, sure he'll end up in there. Kimble Anders is in there. Dante Hall is in it next year. It's more for fan favorites. This really doesn't mean much.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful by any means, just more that I think a lot of people here falsely equate him as HoF caliber, of which i would disagree.

raybec 4 08-23-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17069700)
Not if he waits till AFTER cuts and the 51 is set.

What are you talking about? They have to have someone in that swing tackle spot. No matter when they make the move that guy's salary will be in the top 51.

DJ's left nut 08-23-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17069811)
What are you talking about? They have to have someone in that swing tackle spot. No matter when they make the move that guy's salary will be in the top 51.

I gave up.

I have no clue what he's trying to say.

Evidently you get free players after cutdown day or something. **** if I know.

Good luck.

Balto 08-23-2023 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17069811)
What are you talking about? They have to have someone in that swing tackle spot. No matter when they make the move that guy's salary will be in the top 51.

With Jones holding cap space hostage Veach doesn’t have many options to bring in help.

Age does have a few contracts that if traded/cut could free up some money to bring in help.

So to answer your question he makes both Prince and Niang part of the 53 and then trades Prince for a DT that would fit about the same cap hit. Why is this hard to understand?

Balto 08-23-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17069815)
I gave up.

I have no clue what he's trying to say.

Evidently you get free players after cutdown day or something. **** if I know.

Good luck.

Stop only focusing on Prince. I gave other examples

RaidersOftheCellar 08-23-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17069380)
It was just a suggestion. If you want to look like a useless bundle of sticks in the main forum as well, be my guest.

I'm pretty sure that everyone knows you're useless no matter where you post. :loser:


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