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Saul Good 01-16-2014 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10373568)
Imagine how much more impressive that 6 point win wouldve been if you'd won in Allen Fieldhouse. That would be national news.
It would have considering the game wasn't played there. Of course, it still made national news. I mean, when a team scores 21 straight points almost right out of the gate and cruises home from there, it gets national attention.

Saul Good 01-16-2014 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 10373521)
Number 4 cracks me up. That was literally a poster at Louisville.

duncan_idaho 01-16-2014 02:57 PM
Yeah, reading some of that Strong stuff, I feel like it's either going to be a smashing success or an epic disaster.

That hardline act can get old in a hurry.

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-16-2014 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10373594)
You're trying to lessen the impact of a loss. Even with all this data ju-jitsu, it is still a loss.

Sounds to me like you're trying to put lipstick on a turd.
KU has played 11 top 50 RPI teams... Going 7-4. All 4 KU losses were against top 15 RPI teams (2 being true road games).

In Comparison, Mizzou has played all of 2 top 50 RPI teams in UCLA (#35) and Illinois (#39). Going 1-1

I'm not saying 4 losses at this point can be disregarded... but their W\L record is due to the strength of schedule and youth of the team early in the season... that is not arguable. And calling it a "turd" is fairly bewildering.

Wins\Losses without taking SOS into consideration is like looking at a Baseball Pitcher's W\L record while disregarding all other stats.

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-16-2014 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10373677)
Yeah, reading some of that Strong stuff, I feel like it's either going to be a smashing success or an epic disaster.

That hardline act can get old in a hurry.
Especially at a program where the players are treated as deities. This could blow up on Strong, pretty quickly... it just takes a few vocal malcontents to get the masses to fall in line.

patteeu 01-16-2014 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10373557)
Strong has three years to win the Title or his ass is gone.

Lawls.
The national title? Nah. He needs to have them in the hunt for the Big12 title and have them relevant nationally during that time though.

Saul Good 01-16-2014 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10373691)
The national title? Nah. He needs to have them in the hunt for the Big12 title and have them relevant nationally during that time though.
Agree...Brown only won two Big 12 titles in his entire tenure, and hes the most successful coach they've had in generations. Texas football greatness is one of the biggest myths going.

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-16-2014 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 10373696)
Agree...Brown only won two Big 12 titles in his entire tenure, and hes the most successful coach they've had in generations. Texas football greatness is one of the biggest myths going.
It certainly keeps the money rolling in, though... so don't tell their Alumni. :)

Bambi 01-16-2014 03:17 PM
How bad is the SEC?

Kansas loses to their #1 team and still is #1 in the RPI.

patteeu 01-16-2014 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 10373696)
Agree...Brown only won two Big 12 titles in his entire tenure, and hes the most successful coach they've had in generations. Texas football greatness is one of the biggest myths going.
Yeah, when I lived in Austin during the Mackovic years, it had been decades since Texas won a national title and bowl games weren't even an annual occurrence. That didn't seem to dampen the Longhorn ego much though. People seemed convinced that they were one of the best programs in the country, apparently on the basis of lingering memories of Darrell Royal's successes of the 60s and early 70s. I liked supporting the team, but I didn't really understand that.

And it took Mack Brown longer than 3 years to beat Oklahoma, much less win a title of any kind, IIRC. I know the AD has changed, but there's no way the new guy will be looking to get rid of Strong in 3 years just because he fails to bring home the CFP championship.

Chiefspants 01-16-2014 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10373525)
Mizzou does not do the same shit with SLU. SLU does not have a long, running rivalry series (one of the top ones in the nation, and certainly one of the most heated) with Missouri like Kansas does with Mizzou.

It's apples to orangutans.

SLU was better than Missouri last year. Congrats. But it was not better the year before, or the year before that, or the year before that, and that doesn't make it a better overall program.

Funny how SLU really ramps up the talk about playing Mizzou in the 1-2 years every decade it actually has a good team. Where was this talk/outrage in 2010/11?

SLU is welcome to come play Missouri in Columbia, and that has been discussed. The problem is that SLU wants an equal home-and-home series, and Missouri only has a few slots for those, especially since the SEC is a weaker league than the Big 12 and the nonconference schedule needs to be more difficult as a result. It aims higher than A10 schools for those, generally. UCLA, N.C. State, Cal, Illinois, etc.

They've even talked about a 3-for-1 or 2-for-1 deal, but SLU got pissy, apparently.

We'll see how they survive the post-Majerus era. 5 of their top 6 scorers are gone after this year. Can Crews replace that talent?
So SLU is pretty much your Wichita State?

duncan_idaho 01-16-2014 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10373736)
So SLU is pretty much your Wichita State?
If Wichita State was much less consistent and successful, yes.

Prison Bitch 01-16-2014 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10373594)
You're trying to lessen the impact of a loss. Even with all this data ju-jitsu, it is still a loss.

Sounds to me like you're trying to put lipstick on a turd.
Not following. I assume everyone thinks a Fla win over KU would be far more impressive on the road. Surprised you don't see the difference.

Prison Bitch 01-16-2014 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10373680)
KU has played 11 top 50 RPI teams... Going 7-4. All 4 KU losses were against top 15 RPI teams (2 being true road games).

In Comparison, Mizzou has played all of 2 top 50 RPI teams in UCLA (#35) and Illinois (#39). Going 1-1

I'm not saying 4 losses at this point can be disregarded... but their W\L record is due to the strength of schedule and youth of the team early in the season... that is not arguable. And calling it a "turd" is fairly bewildering.

Wins\Losses without taking SOS into consideration is like looking at a Baseball Pitcher's W\L record while disregarding all other stats.

They're gullible saps, that's why Alden schedules like he does.



Interesting Pomeroy data today: KU is #1 SoS there as well. The average rated team we have played is #63 which also happens to be.....Mizzou. Incredibly, our avg opponent thru 16 games is Mizzou. And we are 12-4.

Chiefspants 01-16-2014 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10373754)
If Wichita State was much less consistent and successful, yes.
To the contrary, St. Louis and Wichita State have been performing at a similar caliber for the last few decades. Since 2006, Wichita State has only averaged 1.5 more wins per season than SLU and both teams only made the tournament in each of the last two seasons.


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