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duncan_idaho 08-23-2023 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17069240)
His PYS will drop roughly 1.1M for each game he misses (got further clarification after looking last night). If he does sit till week 8, His PYS for the tag next year will be in the ballpark of 20.6M, so his tag will be MUCH more affordable. Probably the average of the Top 5 guys, so 24.5 to 25.5M, somewhere in there.

Are we sure on that? We know KC gets a salary cap credit for next year in that scenario.

So say he holds out 8 games. Chiefs get $9M in cap credit towards 24 + it lowers his franchise tag number so much it isn’t a problem for KC to tag him at it?

That significantly reduces the players leverage on the holdout.

smithandrew051 08-23-2023 11:34 AM
Jones is playing 69D Chess

Megatron96 08-23-2023 11:38 AM
Welp, i guess we're going to see what the defense looks like without a reliable interior pass rush for the first 8 weeks. Should be interesting. Especially the NYJ game Week 4. Hopefully their OL won't have fully gelled yet.

TLO 08-23-2023 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17069266)
Welp, i guess we're going to see what the defense looks like without a reliable interior pass rush for the first 8 weeks. Should be interesting. Especially the NYJ game Week 4. Hopefully their OL won't have fully gelled yet.
I have no doubt we'll find other ways to get pressure. As long as the guys in the middle can hold on run defense we'll be fine.

duncan_idaho 08-23-2023 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17069248)
Anyone else notice Spags utilizing Chenal as an edge rusher this preseason? We've seen him do this before with Gay as well.

Have a feeling we're gonna see a metric **** load of blitz package designs this year.

Would they go to an odd front in this scenario?

Chenal-Tranquill-Bolton-Gay could be interesting.

Not sure the Es are stout enough without Omenihu for that. Guess they could run Danna-Shelton-Karlaftis but that seems risky.

AdolfOliverBush 08-23-2023 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17069270)
I have no doubt we'll find other ways to get pressure. As long as the guys in the middle can hold on run defense we'll be fine.
Yep, and Jones wasn't exactly lights out versus the run anyway.

Molitoth 08-23-2023 11:43 AM
Who does Jackson Mahomes like more right now?

A) His amazing brother.
B) Chris Jones for absorbing the fanbase hatred.

AdolfOliverBush 08-23-2023 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 17069286)
Who does Jackson Mahomes like more right now?

A) His amazing brother.
B) Chris Jones for absorbing the fanbase hatred.
He's always had 10 sweaty, veiny reasons for liking Chris Jones more.

Megatron96 08-23-2023 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17069270)
I have no doubt we'll find other ways to get pressure. As long as the guys in the middle can hold on run defense we'll be fine.


Spags is going to mix in a lot of zone blitzes, safety blitzes, etc. Basically what he was dialing up before last season. It'll be back to blitzing 40-odd percent of the time.

Sassy Squatch 08-23-2023 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17069257)
Are we sure on that? We know KC gets a salary cap credit for next year in that scenario.

So say he holds out 8 games. Chiefs get $9M in cap credit towards 24 + it lowers his franchise tag number so much it isn’t a problem for KC to tag him at it?

That significantly reduces the players leverage on the holdout.
Well, yeah. That was a pretty obvious goal of the owners in this last CBA.

T-post Tom 08-23-2023 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17069266)
Welp, i guess we're going to see what the defense looks like without a reliable interior pass rush for the first 8 weeks. Should be interesting. Especially the NYJ game Week 4. Hopefully their OL won't have fully gelled yet.
Would not be surprised to see some decent d-linemen cut from the Jets and the Chiefs possibly signing one.

RunKC 08-23-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17069013)
So we’re ok letting an elite pass rusher go to sign a center and a guard

I’m not really sure the value checks there
He was elite in a contract year last year. He knew he had to play well to have leverage for what he's doing now.

The facts are that he's had only 2 years with double digit sacks and has not done much of anything in the playoffs stat wise other than dominating an OL composed of backups in the championship game. Even Frank ****ing Clark had 1.5 sacks that game.

I get he had a few pressures and batted passes but that's not worth paying an insane contract when he's enter in his 30's

Mecca 08-23-2023 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17069307)
He was elite in a contract year last year. He knew he had to play well to have leverage for what he's doing now.

The facts are that he's had only 2 years with double digit sacks and has not done much of anything in the playoffs stat wise other than dominating an OL composed of backups in the championship game. Even Frank ****ing Clark had 1.5 sacks that game.

I get he had a few pressures and batted passes but that's not worth paying an insane contract when he's enter in his 30's
His contract years are also far and away his best years...

dlphg9 08-23-2023 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17069307)
He was elite in a contract year last year. He knew he had to play well to have leverage for what he's doing now.

The facts are that he's had only 2 years with double digit sacks and has not done much of anything in the playoffs stat wise other than dominating an OL composed of backups in the championship game. Even Frank ****ing Clark had 1.5 sacks that game.

I get he had a few pressures and batted passes but that's not worth paying an insane contract when he's enter in his 30's
Damn, you just really are a stupid mother****er.

RaidersOftheCellar 08-23-2023 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17069291)
He's always had 10 sweaty, veiny reasons for liking Chris Jones more.
Sounds like you do too.


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